Barry Goldwater quote -

[buddy]

"We have conjured up all manner of devils responsible for our present discontent.

It is the unchecked bureaucracy in government, it is the selfishness of multinational corporate giants, it is the failure of the schools to teach and the students to learn, it is overpopulation, it is wasteful extravagance, it is squandering our national resources, it is racism, it is capitalism, it is our material affluence, or if we want a convenient foreign devil, we can say it is communism.

But when we scrape away the varnish of wealth, education, class, ethnic origin, parochial loyalties, we discover that however much we've changed the shape of man's physical environment, man himself is still sinful, vain, greedy, ambitious, lustful, self-centered, unrepentant, and requiring of restraint."

 

[deadeye]

goldwater

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that puts it in a nutshell. all these guys screaming about the left and the right. i wish they could back off and look in the mirror and think about what they are actually saying. nobody wins. nobody is accountable. everything is spun to their taste. from rush' pompous ass to bill maher's vile tongue we all lose.

 

[THE KOD]

But when we scrape away the varnish of wealth, education, class, ethnic origin, parochial loyalties, we discover that however much we've changed the shape of man's physical environment, man himself is still sinful, vain, greedy, ambitious, lustful, self-centered, unrepentant, and requiring of restraint."

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Goldwater seemed to say some things before his time.

This one kind of sounds like the bible with the
Adam and Eve story.

man is sinful. We cannot help ourselves as a people.l Its a shame really that so much of the world is like this.

When I point out corruption , greed , and money grubbing by our goverment that is sworn to uphold justice and to protect us, it makes me want to strike out. But I don't know what to do or which way to turn sometimes.

The people that run big companies. The power gets to their heads and they want more money from the general public who they can financially destroy.
Credit card companies and the grip that they have on us financially is a hard thing to fathom.

They need to be regulated and we need to make sure that it happens. Congress seems to be leaning in this direction.

There is something in the small print called default. and when your credit report is looked at, if you are late on a payment with someone else, then they can up your rate , and there aint a damn thing you can do about it. How can we allow this type of thing. Geez Louise.

So the bottom line to all this, is that Adam and Eve made decisions. And we are all paying for them through eternity.

I guess God and Goldwater were thinking alike
when it came to the deceit and sinfulness of mankind.

 

[buddy]

"Over the last couple of years we have witnessed some incredible events in our world. In Europe, communism has become a thing of the past.

In South Africa, apartheid finally appears to be on the way out. The former Soviet Union is in the throes of reorganization as it moves toward democracy and free enterprise.

Such events, coupled with recent successes on the battlefield, have caused many Americans to feel tremendously optimistic about the future.

It has become fashionable to appeal to a new world order in which nations will cooperate with one another in a spirit of peace, and some have even suggested that we are on the edge of the millennial kingdom.

Don't get your hopes up.

It's easy to be optimistic when looking at the trend of world events, but it's a little more difficult when one takes human nature into consideration.

The sinfulness of humanity may be an uncomfortable subject, but it is absolutely necessary to understand sin in order to understand both ourselves and the world in which we live.

Many people like to focus on our tremendous potential as a society, maintaining that the only thing preventing us from fulfilling that potential is inadequate education.

For example, consider the following statement from the second Humanist Manifesto:

Using technology wisely, we can control our environment, conquer poverty, markedly reduce disease, extend our life-span, significantly modify our behavior, alter the course of human evolution and cultural development, unlock vast new powers, and provide humankind with unparalleled opportunity for achieving an abundant and meaningful life.

Humanists recognize the fact that such utopian dreams are not guaranteed, but they believe our potential for progress is essentially unlimited.

If we as a society decide that we really want to achieve something, we are capable of achieving it.

The Bible presents a very different view of humankind and our future.

From a biblical perspective, we have all violated God's laws, and our continuing tendency is not to seek the well-being of others but to seek our own satisfaction.

Consider the following words from Romans chapter 3:

There is none righteous, not even one; There is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God; All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, there is not even one.

These words may sound pretty pessimistic, especially when compared with modern humanism, but they are true.

We all know our own failings.

God says that we are to be holy just as He is holy (1 Peter 1:15, 16), and we cannot honestly say that we meet that standard.

You and I recognize that we have selfish desires, that we rebel against God, that we often find it easier to cheat people than to love them.

The Bible tells us that everyone else has the same problem. As Paul put it, All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23)."

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Excerpt from "The Sinfulness Of Humanity" by Dr. Robert A. Pyne

 

[bryanz]

These are three of the best post I've read in one thread in awhile. There idealists in a realist world. The masses in America are bread to think about self. That's who we are. At the end of the day it always comes back to "ME". It's everyman for himself. There are many people that due their bit for society, but they are the minority and most do so at no great sacrifice to them self and the people around them. It's easy for Gates and Winfrey to give, we are lacking from the masses to really give, and not just money.

 

[sardius]

"We have conjured up all manner of devils responsible for our present discontent.

It is the unchecked bureaucracy in government, it is the selfishness of multinational corporate giants, it is the failure of the schools to teach and the students to learn, it is overpopulation, it is wasteful extravagance, it is squandering our national resources, it is racism, it is capitalism, it is our material affluence, or if we want a convenient foreign devil, we can say it is communism.

But when we scrape away the varnish of wealth, education, class, ethnic origin, parochial loyalties, we discover that however much we've changed the shape of man's physical environment, man himself is still sinful, vain, greedy, ambitious, lustful, self-centered, unrepentant, and requiring of restraint."

Barry nailed it, right on the money:clap:

 

[Happy Hippo]

Great posts Buddy - they reek of truth