baseball fights

[2muchchalk]

These things really get under my skin. Crisp hits the 2b with a scumbag slide the day before. SO SHields plunks him (below his waist i might add, not his head) to protect his teammate. every person who has a boston/tampa logo on his shirt comes running at the dugout planting super cheap shots on two guys who are already held down by 4 guys. Shields is going to get suspensed for protecting one of his guys?

The whole system of "warning" the teams of pitching inside seems so one sided. Pitcher A plunks team B on purpose then the umpire warns BOTH teams:shrug: ? Team B can't even think of pitching inside or feel lose of losing a starting pitcher early in the game.

Then we have guys like Manny Ramirez who flips his wig every time a curveball comes close to the inner half of the plate. (just thinking of that one time someone threw a high fastball and he wigged out) Don't get me wrong you should never throw at someones head on purpose...never never never. But there is nothing wrong putting one right between a guys numbers or lower.

Honestly the best way to take care of this thing in baseball is to let players police themselves. dont' ever throw someone out of the game for hitting a batter(unless it is the head) . IF there are no warnings and the other team knows nobody is getting the boot for hitting a batter, i promise pitchers will be less likely to make a name for themselves throwing at players for no reason. You cleat someones,--your best player gets hit. Someone gets hit, you hit there best player, now it is even. The current system protects jerk off players and dumb pitchers who start the chaos.They typically are not the ones thrown out, and guys who protect there teammates and themselves are penalized. Obviously,the league would have to endure a year of two of a heightened level of brawls, (old rules) but in the end it would go back to the old days, where it was an eye for an eye and players didn't cry about every high fastball or inside fking breaking balls.

 

[freelancc]

i say that during the 7th inning stretch they should set up an MMA cage on the infield and let each team send out a designated brawler.:00hour

 

[IntenseOperator]

how did you not mention how lame the actual fights end up being?

 

[2muchchalk]

bc they all end up lame. Batter gets one punch, pitcher gets one punch. very rare is there a monster blow when they are one on one.

 

[CANADA MAN]

why do the other players even come out to join the fight? I say let the pitcher and batter go at it and let the umpires be the only ones to break up the fight. Anyone else who joins in should be ejected. That's the way it is in hockey and it works just fine - if you're the 3rd man in they throw you out.

...besides - these fat umps could use more exercise!

 

[Lucy11]

Have you ever been to a game where there was a brawl?

I was at the Mariners vs Orioles game I'd say about 93 when Bill Hasselman charged the mound againt Mussina. All hell broke out. The pitchers in the bullpen where jumping the outfield wall. It was a pretty long fight. Here is a funny sidenote to this day. I was 17 at the time and would go for autographs as well. I was by the vistors dugout on the right side. Perfectly next to it. I got a few players to sign right before batting practice. I'm also keeping an eye/ear out for cracked bats. I lived near a AAA stadium and would clean shop w/ cracked bats and autographs. Anyway Bill Hasselman cracked his bat. I asked him for it and he said it isn't broken. He goes in the dugout and puts tape around the barrel. He then goes for another round of bp. He comes back and I ask him again. He ignores me. He does another round of bp. When he walks back to the dugout I ask him again. He then says, "Jesus Chirst kid, here is the bat". I was happy to get the bat but he just seemed in a pissy mood. Anyway his first at bat of the game, he goes deep against Mussina. Next at bat he gets pluncked. He then charges the mound.



One other fight I witnessed was at a AAA game. It actually wasn't during the game but 45 minutes before. This is when the players have come out of the dugout before the game. It was the Toledo Mudhens. I'd say in 90 or 91. Johnny Wockenfus was the manager and he got in a fist fight w/ one of his players in the dugout. I forgot who the player was but either the player or Wockenfus was choking the other person. I kid you not. I was never forget it.

 

[2muchchalk]

Have you ever been to a game where there was a brawl?

I was at the Mariners vs Orioles game I'd say about 93 when Bill Hasselman charged the mound againt Mussina. All hell broke out. The pitchers in the bullpen where jumping the outfield wall. It was a pretty long fight.
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I belileve mussina got hurt during that fight and he said from now on he would never never under any circumstance throw at a hitter or get into another fight. What a Pl_lSSY.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Steve Stone had a take on this while doing the radio call of the WSox game. He said he talked to Bowie Kuhn years ago about how to end things easily by just adopting hockeys third man in rule. Most umps etc are big enough to break up two players going at it. They can't stop both entire teams charging the field. I thought it would be a good idea. Bowie didn't for some reason.

 

[Kanuck]

vinnie loves fights :shrug:

 

[Eddie Haskell]

My favorite baseball fight was not between two teams but between the fans and the teams. Lets go back to Dime a Beer night in Cleveland.

"I remember getting spit on a lot and having a lot of hot dogs thrown at me. Somebody threw a gallon jug of Thunderbird wine at me." --Mike Hargrove, Rangers Rookie of the Year in 1974 and current Indians manager

"You can't pull back uncontrollable beasts. The last time I saw animals like that was in the zoo." -- Umpire Nestor Chylak

On June 4, 1974, the Rangers were bad, but the Indians were worse. Attendance was dismal and management decided it needed a promotion. Now-a-days, they'll throw in a player bobblehead or a calendar or a Grady Sizemore blanket. Nope, not in the dismal 1970's. Why not give disgruntled fans an opportunity to drink 10oz beers for 10cents a pop? Nothing bad would happen during that fiasco, would it?

The Stroh's beer flowed that night. Here's the synopsis:

Pre-game: Fans were setting off fireworks from their seats. Texas manager Billy Martin delivered his line-up to the umpire and was booed. In reply, he tipped his cap and blew kisses to the crowd.
Inning 1: Several smoke bombs went off in the stands.
Inning 2: A large woman jumped down from the fans into the Indians' on-deck circle, lifted her shirt, and tried to kiss the umpire, Nestor Chylak.
Inning 4: A Ranger outfielder hit his second home run of the game, but as he circled the bases, a naked man from the stands ran onto the field and slid into second base.
Inning 5: Father and son jumped into the infield and mooned the crowd.
Inning 6: Fireworks were shooting toward the Texas dugout. Cleveland fans were hurling anything and everything down onto the field: beer cups, golf balls, rocks, batteries, etc.
Inning 7: Rangers pitchers retreated from the bullpen and stayed in the dugout.
Innings 7 and 8: Fans regularly jumped down into right field where Ranger player and American League MVP Jeff Burroughs was stationed. They wanted to say hello to the MVP and shake his hand. Security people escorted these fans off the field, but there weren't really enough security forces to restrain the numbers of people jumping onto the field.
Inning 9: Cleveland was down 5-3. Despite all the projectiles and the occasional fan rushing the field, Cleveland managed to score two runs and tie the game. More fans ran onto the field in celebration. Then someone tried to steal Burroughs' glove for a souvenir. Reports vary about whether the fan was able to get the glove away from Burroughs or not. The fan punched Burroughs; Burroughs punched back.
In reply, nearby drunk and angry fans jumped onto the field, swarming around Burroughs. Some still in the stands wrenched their chairs out of their bearings and threw them onto the field, aiming for Burroughs.
Texas Rangers manager Billy Martin (known to show his temper now and then) grabbed a bat and said to his team, "Let's get 'em, boys," on his way out of the clubhouse. When Martin and his team rushed the field, thousands of fans streamed out of the stands.

So, Happy Birthday, 10 cent Beer night!!!

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

see the fight between the tb players?
garza and navarro?

 

[yyz]

Baseball is the most ridiculous sport I can think of, when it comes to "fights". There is absolutely no reason 60 guys pour out onto the field. EVERY OTHER major sport in this country frowns on that, but baseball says that's the way to handle it?

:shrug:

 

[Agent 0659]

Baseball is the most ridiculous sport I can think of, when it comes to "fights". There is absolutely no reason 60 guys pour out onto the field. EVERY OTHER major sport in this country frowns on that, but baseball says that's the way to handle it?

:shrug:

That's cause baseball is fking retarded.:00x33

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

That's cause baseball is fking retarded.:00x33

I agree!

 

[yyz]

It didn't used to be.