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Valuist

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Like somebody said in another thread, there's only a handful of horses who have a realistic chance of winning. Its who makes up that handful that causes the debate. Here's who I think they are:

WAR EMBLEM--Obvious but his bettability is the concern here. With the unknown distance factor of 12 furlongs, you shouldn't take even money or worse on any horse, regardless of running style. He did impress me even more in the Preakness but there's another fresh speedball in Wiseman's Ferry to make things difficult for him. But he did win the Preakness without going wire to wire so he is capable of going past horses. One other knock is Baffert has lost this race a couple of times as a prohibitive favorite so maybe his preparation for the Belmont isn't the best.

PROUD CITIZEN--I will probably be playing against him. Conspiracy theorists feel that Lukas' prime objective is not necessarily to win but to prevent Baffert from getting the Triple Crown. That aside, he had good trips in the Blue Grass and Derby but did run well despite going wide at Pimlico. How much is left in the tank?? I could definitely see a regression here. He's good enough to win but he won't be on any of my tickets.

SUNDAY BREAK--I don't care that his Beyer number regressed in the Peter Pan. Before the Wood, he won an Allowance race by loafing thru the stretch and got a weak number. When he was asked to run a huge number, he did (in the Wood). He has a trainer who has won this race before (do not underestimate that) and Drysdale is one of the best--period. He also has the running style that reminds me of past winners like Bet Twice, Touch Gold, Risen Star. He is a stalker who can be close to a soft pace but can back off a faster than usual pace. He maybe doesn't have the sudden acceleration of War Emblem but I think he's capable of putting together a lot of 25 second quarters. The negative is coming back in only 2 weeks. Usable at 3-1 or better.

PERFECT DRIFT--Similar style to Sunday Break but he's had 5 weeks off. In the Derby, he basically spotted War Emblem a few lengths (maybe 2.5 or 3) and pretty much ran evenly around the track. He still finished pretty good and w/Wiseman's Ferry as a major pace presence he could stalk the pace and sweep by. I'd like to see at least 5-1 but he's usable at that price.

ESSENCE OF DUBAI--I think he's the logical longshot. He had an awful trip in the Derby, racing very wide and trying to make up ground on the soft pace. He is the only other horse besides War Emblem to have won a race as far as 10 furlongs. This is probably a better spot than the Derby for him. He's had time to acclimate and he's by the son of a Belmont winner (AP Indy) out of a dam who's sire (Summing) also is a Belmont winner.
 

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nice write up.

I was going back an forth between Dubai/Ferry as my long shot to throw on top. I'm starting to back off Ferry just because with all the stalkers/closers and War Emblem I really don't see Ferry going gate to wire and he should be on/at the lead most of the first mile.

Still pondering those two horses but playing to beat War Emblem (yet finish in the money). Problem is I have to bet it today so I wont know what the real odds are.

5-6-9 (3 or 4)
War Emblem
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5-6-9 (3 or 4)
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War Emblem

$72 worth of tri's
 

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Valuist, don't you give any credence to Magic Weisner, with his incredible run in the Preakness? You know he would have won if the race had been 2 furlongs longer.

Also, a good friend of mine that follows the horses much more closely than I, really likes Wiseman's Ferry. Any chance for him, as you see it?

Thanks for your insight.

My personal pick is Perfect Drift, Magic Weisner, War Emblem, and Proud Citizen in that order.
 

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I guess I sort of forgot about Magic Weisner, but realistically I don't give him much chance. His late gain in the Preakness was mostly an illusion, as the leaders were tiring rapidly. Visually it appeared he was flying, but War Emblem, after being challenged all race, was starting to tire. Between the 2 horses, War Emblem ran a far superior race. Weisner picked up the pieces from the pace war and wasn't a factor until the final 20-30 yards. He should be lower than 30-1 but anything lower than 12 or 15-1 and he is an underlay.

As for Wiseman's Ferry, he did surprise me a bit at Lone Star but this is a whole different, better group of horses. I just don't see him staying 12 furlongs.
 

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Thank you for your response, Valuist. One other question for you: Some that seem knowledgable in horse racing are mentioning Essence of Dubai as a possibility to include on the exotic bets, mainly because he has had more experience running the longer distance. Do you agree or not?

Thanks. Enjoy reading your posts very much.
 

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Agree. E of D did win at 1 1/4 miles in Dubai and his pedigree suggests he could get 1 1/2 miles. I'm throwing his Derby race out since he was very wide. He did go from 13th to 7th in mid race so he passed 6 horses, which is more than anyone else did in the Derby, except for maybe Saarland.
 

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heleanth, in regards to Magic Weisner the horse finished second but also got a much better (inside) trip than Proud Citizen who ran 5W and 3W in the Preakness. Also with his current post (11) and all the top horses inside him he would need several things to happen. Another good clean inside trip. A few of the other top horses to not run their best race. He would also need to improve off his last again and I'm not sure another jump forward is possible. Great points about Essence of Dubai the horse deserves a good look. Jockey/Trainer win at a 20% clip and trainer has won 25% of his races at Belmont. However last October the horse did not run a good race at this track.
 

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Valuist, do you have any thoughts on the horse Puzzlement? Leaning toward taking Essence of Dubai in a head to head matchup with Puzzlement.

Belmont Stakes Matchup
Essence of Dubai -145 vs. Puzzlement 115
 

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Thanks. That's what I thought and wasn't able to confirm until after I posted.
 

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I dont know squat but

I dont know squat but

I was on War Emblem in first two races ...

good capping pal of mine loves Sunday Break ...

Im jumping ship and trying it

gl to all,
pt1gard:confused:
 
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