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Lots of valid points here--

Joe Biden, the Best Candidate Who Can't Win
Sunday, December 30, 2007

By Susan Estrich

LOS ANGELES ? Poor Joe Biden.

On paper, you could make the case that he?s the most experienced and capable candidate in the race for the White House. He is running for president after 24 years in the United States Senate, not the 24 months Barack Obama spent there before deciding to become a candidate.

In the wake of Benazir Bhutto?s assassination, he was really the only candidate to offer a comprehensive and thoughtful response that connected the crisis in Pakistan with the short shrift we have given to Afghanistan and the fight against Al Qaeda there, which in turn encourages extremists and extremism across the border. Sounds right.

In a speech in Iowa, the Delaware senator, who has gotten himself in trouble more than once for saying what he shouldn?t, couldn?t resist taking a swipe at his fellow candidates for the emptiness of their responses.

"Observe what's been going on in Pakistan and you'll see not many candidates have spoken out," Biden said. "And those few who have spoken don't make a lot of sense."


Pressed later, no doubt in the hopes that he would name one of the frontrunners, he singled out Bill Richardson instead, who has more foreign policy experience than any number of other contenders, but whose suggestion that Musharraf step down and make way for a coalition government ignores the fact that there isn?t any coalition to make way for. Biden attacking Richardson is not exactly front page news, or the stuff of headlines. By tomorrow, I promise, it will be forgotten even by those who bothered to note it in the first place.

Responding to the common view that he is running for Secretary of State rather than president, Biden sensibly points out that no, he?s running for president, but why would anyone want a president who isn?t also qualified to be Secretary of State?

Why indeed?

I won?t name names, but you can fill in the blanks. Pick your party. You won?t find a lot of contenders for Secretary of State. Mike Huckabee? I don?t think so. John Edwards? Not on the short list. You get my drift.

But it doesn?t matter.

That?s the irony of presidential politics. Joe Biden is about to disappear in the back of the pack, to be winnowed out in Iowa, not because he?s not qualified but because it doesn?t matter that he is. It doesn?t matter that he understands what?s wrong with our policy in Afghanistan. It doesn?t matter that he has a whole series of solutions to problems that we should be worrying about around the world. Being qualified doesn?t get you the media attention and the money that are essential to be taken seriously as a candidate. If you?re not taken seriously as a candidate, you don?t get the media attention and the money. It?s a vicious cycle, at least when you?re on the outside, which is where Biden is, and breaking it is almost impossible.

Biden is not, to state the obvious, a woman or a minority. He is not as good a speaker as Edwards. He doesn?t have Oprah on his side. He doesn?t have a spouse who was president. He is not, in any way, shape or form, a political rock star.

This year, Huckabee is the only candidate of either party to break out of the second tier, and he has done so in large part by appealing to the ideologues in his party. But Biden is not an ideologue?s candidate. He?s just a qualified guy who might make a fine president at a time when we could really use someone in the job who understands how the world works, and doesn?t, and what role America should play in it. And that is not enough. Not even close.

Sorry Joe. Nice try, anyway
 

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We have gotten good at not electing the right or best. The American people, that's us. Well we like the promise handed out. Even tho we know half won't happen. We vote for those half truth folks. Guys like Joe and R Paul scare to many people because they tell it to close to straight. My grandfather who in politics. Had a saying. The guy that wins is best bull shiter. Gramps was a tough old conservative. Yet his favorite politician was Bil Proxmire a long time Dem Senator from Wis. Proxmire was one of those guys that watched our money and how it got spent with great attention. In fact Paul Harvey would quote his remarks and some stupid ways our government would spend money.
 

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Lots of valid points here--

Joe Biden, the Best Candidate Who Can't Win
Sunday, December 30, 2007

By Susan Estrich

LOS ANGELES ? Poor Joe Biden.

On paper, you could make the case that he?s the most experienced and capable candidate in the race for the White House. He is running for president after 24 years in the United States Senate, not the 24 months Barack Obama spent there before deciding to become a candidate.

In the wake of Benazir Bhutto?s assassination, he was really the only candidate to offer a comprehensive and thoughtful response that connected the crisis in Pakistan with the short shrift we have given to Afghanistan and the fight against Al Qaeda there, which in turn encourages extremists and extremism across the border. Sounds right.

In a speech in Iowa, the Delaware senator, who has gotten himself in trouble more than once for saying what he shouldn?t, couldn?t resist taking a swipe at his fellow candidates for the emptiness of their responses.

"Observe what's been going on in Pakistan and you'll see not many candidates have spoken out," Biden said. "And those few who have spoken don't make a lot of sense."


Pressed later, no doubt in the hopes that he would name one of the frontrunners, he singled out Bill Richardson instead, who has more foreign policy experience than any number of other contenders, but whose suggestion that Musharraf step down and make way for a coalition government ignores the fact that there isn?t any coalition to make way for. Biden attacking Richardson is not exactly front page news, or the stuff of headlines. By tomorrow, I promise, it will be forgotten even by those who bothered to note it in the first place.

Responding to the common view that he is running for Secretary of State rather than president, Biden sensibly points out that no, he?s running for president, but why would anyone want a president who isn?t also qualified to be Secretary of State?

Why indeed?

I won?t name names, but you can fill in the blanks. Pick your party. You won?t find a lot of contenders for Secretary of State. Mike Huckabee? I don?t think so. John Edwards? Not on the short list. You get my drift.

But it doesn?t matter.

That?s the irony of presidential politics. Joe Biden is about to disappear in the back of the pack, to be winnowed out in Iowa, not because he?s not qualified but because it doesn?t matter that he is. It doesn?t matter that he understands what?s wrong with our policy in Afghanistan. It doesn?t matter that he has a whole series of solutions to problems that we should be worrying about around the world. Being qualified doesn?t get you the media attention and the money that are essential to be taken seriously as a candidate. If you?re not taken seriously as a candidate, you don?t get the media attention and the money. It?s a vicious cycle, at least when you?re on the outside, which is where Biden is, and breaking it is almost impossible.

Biden is not, to state the obvious, a woman or a minority. He is not as good a speaker as Edwards. He doesn?t have Oprah on his side. He doesn?t have a spouse who was president. He is not, in any way, shape or form, a political rock star.

This year, Huckabee is the only candidate of either party to break out of the second tier, and he has done so in large part by appealing to the ideologues in his party. But Biden is not an ideologue?s candidate. He?s just a qualified guy who might make a fine president at a time when we could really use someone in the job who understands how the world works, and doesn?t, and what role America should play in it. And that is not enough. Not even close.

Sorry Joe. Nice try, anyway

Susan Estrich should save her tears @ her pity party for Joe Biden... To state the obvious ; for the 24 yrs that this great Senator has served his ego and bank account on the backs of hard working Americans, there has never been a woman or a minority that stood in his way of the White House. To say that Joe is on the outside is a joke, does she know what the inside looks like ? See Joe Biden...If the standard was you have to be qualified to be the sec of state to sit in the WH, why was Bush 43 afforded the privilege twice ? For as long as America has been America the power has been owned and distributed by white men.. Most of America seems to think that is not working so well....From where I sit, 24 yrs in the Senate disqualifies him. I don't think punching the clock for 24 yrs is the experience that we need. We need someone who has the ability to do what's best for America and the ability to put the right team together so that America can be the leader of the free world again. We do need an outsider, Biden is not that person !
 

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There is a very interesting point made in this article. I listened to a couple of the responses to the Bhutto assasination and most were incredibly vapid and ignorant. In particular, Guiliani made a complete fool of himself with an answer that made no sense "we need to get in there and look around".........makes you give someone like McCain a much closer look.
 

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Thoughtful post, Wayne. I would be very comfortable with Biden as our President - he is very intelligent, thoughtful, well-spoken, and knows the issues our country will deal with abroad better than any other candidate on either side. Much better, in fact.

I could not disagree more with Bryanz, but that's nothing new. I understand the outsider idea, but if your choices are these people, I'd feel the most comfortable with either Biden or McCain. I think they would be well equipped to step right in and run the office confidently and sensibly.

Still not sure who I'm supporting - it's so up in the air right now. Probably coming down to initial support for Biden or Dodd, but probably won't have the choice for either when it comes around.
 

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"This year, Huckabee is the only candidate of either party to break out of the second tier, and he has done so in large part by appealing to the ideologues in his party"

ideologues?......this guy`s more liberal than biden...that`s what liberals would like you to think....

funny,but we haven`t heard a peep about huckabee`s "dog killing/glock toting" son in the msm....can anybody guess why?...

`cause the dems know if he somehow got the nomination,we`re toast...he couldn`t win...he`s known in democratic elite circles as "the glass jaw"....

they`re sitting on stuff like his son...and his fundamentalist christian bent so they can whack him when/if he gets nominated...

the msm is in the tank for this guy...they`re salivating over the possiblity that he could be the republican nominee.... that`s why you hear little about his religious zealotry and plenty about romney`s mormonism and rudy`s peccadillo`s...

if huckabee or paul get the nod(forget paul,i`m just sayin`)i may sit this one out.....

mccain is almost at that point,but not quite...

huckabee`s their man...he`s a sort of democratic manchurian candidate....
 
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