Best video never seen

[DOGS THAT BARK]

by most on war--from people of Kurdistan--

Was aired around Thankagiving-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyrStaIoh-w&mode=related&search=

--they have pretty cool website also.
http://www.theotheriraq.com/

 

[gardenweasel]

and here`s a feel good christmas eve article.....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,238505,00.html

what`s that smell?.....

:shocked:
moonbat on fire!!!!...moonbat on fire!!!!!:director:

it's time to look for intelligent life elsewhere, because everything`s gone slappy down here on planet earth....

 

[JCDunkDogs]

Yes, GW, and that guy needn't have bothered; his attempted sacrifice was only going to embolden his foes.

This excerpt is from Saturday's L.A. Times, front page

Save Christmas: Send money

Christian groups raise funds as they sell items to counter a perceived war on the holiday.

By Stephanie Simon

The "War on Christmas" has never been so profitable.
For the fourth year running, conservative Christian groups have spent much of December mobilizing against what they see as a liberal plot to censor Christmas.
But this year, it's more than a cause. It's a heck of a fundraiser.
The American Family Assn., a conservative activist group, has rung up more than $550,000 in sales of buttons and magnets stamped with the slogan "Merry Christmas: It's Worth Saying."
Liverty Counsel, a nonprofit law firm affiliated with the religious right, has taken in more than $300,000 with its Help Save Christmas Action Packs. The kits include two buttons, two bumper stickers and "The Memo that Saved Christmas," a guide to defending obert religious expression, such as a Nativity scene in a public shcool classroom.
Also for sale through conservative websites: Christmas bracelets, tree ornaments and lapel pins intended to sent a defiant message to those who would turm December into a multicultural mush of "winter parties," "seasonal sales" and "Happy Holidays" greetings.
Christmas warriors can also download (for free) lists that rank retailers as either "naughty" or "nice," depending on how often their ads refer to Christmas rather than a generic holiday.

____________________________________

Merry Christmas, everybody!

 

[kosar]

Best video never seen?

I see it every day as a paid commercial on FOX. I'm sure you have also, unless you don't wacth FOX during the day.

Whatever the case, we've liberated and made happy, the, ummm, 10-15% of populus Kurds, who we had already, ummm, been protecting via the no fly zone since 1991.



Anyways, there's something pretty interesting coming up regarding the Kurds. The want the Kirkuk oil fields(50% of Iraqi oil production) to be given to them via(local-pitting them against the Arabs where the Kurds have a 43-35 makority, with the rest mostly Turkmen) a referendum that is scheduled for 2007. Or better put, they want the city to be placed within the Kurdistan regional government with the aforementioned oil proceeds resulting.

Point being, that the Kurds are accusing Maliki of dragging his feet and condemning the Baker report for saying that the referendum should be delayed.

IOW, there is no permanent disposition of this city/region regarding the huge oil reserves and production. The Arabs came in and kicked the Kurds out in the 70's.

The Kurds are now coming back and kicking out the Arabs with 50,000 housing 'issues' registered with Baghdad. Al-Maliki is dragging his feet on purpose.

This issue will come to a head in a big way within 12-18 months.

So for those who say the Kurds are so happy and giddy, don't speak so soon. Time will tell.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"I see it every day as a paid commercial on FOX"

We come away with diff views Matt

I see it as an ad (not commercial) of gratitude paid for by Kurdistan Gov.

--I wonder why they chose to run it on Fox--and if people didn't view Fox what would be their chances of knowing it existed?

 

[kosar]

"I see it every day as a paid commercial on FOX"

We come away with diff views Matt

I see it as an ad (not commercial) of gratitude paid for by Kurdistan Gov.

--I wonder why they chose to run it on Fox--and if people didn't view Fox what would be their chances of knowing it existed?

Ok, Wayne. It's a paid advertisement, not a paid commercial. :shrug:

Whatever the case, it's hardly a 'video never seen.'

 

[smurphy]

Dogs, what's your take on the fact that the Kurds refuse to fly the Iraqi flag? Is it a good thing that they want to secede? Should we encourage their independence from the rest of Iraq?

You always point to them as the shining justification of our invasion, yet never make mention of the fact that the Kurds have no interest whatsoever in being part of Iraq. Why do you only highlight part of the story?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Smurph > We got the liberal media throwing up the bad shit every day Smurph-just thought I'd add some good news for anyone that cares--

If you'll note they are throwing up the deaths comparison today of Iraq war and 911--

Whens the last time you see them mention that those killed via combat in Afgan total less than 200 since 2001--(less than killed in one day in embassy bombing) totally unbelievable feat.

--and Iraq has long way to go to get to 911 if using soilders deaths via combat--somehow they fail to mention over 500 deaths they are referring to are from non combat--probably a typo

On kurds/iraq I think I made mention my thoughts on personal stratagy in war--probably not wise however--Would to keep our troops in green zone--on border and protecting peaceful areas and let the seculars inside and around capital have at it--Most our casualties are from IUD's in that area--let Iraqi's do the patroling.

 

[smurphy]

Do you think the Kurds should be independent? If so, does that complicate the overall mission in Iraq?

Of course Iraq will be compared to 9-11. Bush is the one who tied them together to begin with. You think he can use 9-11 to get us into the mess, but now that things are bad nobody should make any comparisons anymore? Isn't that being a bit naive?

Afghanistan's got nothing to do with this debate.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Afgans got nothing to do with this debate?? --to whom??of course some would like it that way--how convenient--but I the way I figure Rumsfield and this "bumbling" admin ran it parrallel to Iraq as both were included on axis of evil.


1st off--If told before start of either war that we would be fighting 2 wars simulateously for going on 5 years and collective deaths from combat would be less than 3,000 combined--all would have said-- no way possible. Quite an extra ordinary accomplishment by any miltary standards.

Yes I would agree with you it is news worthy--however--consider other achievements noted above equally newsworhy but somehow doesn't fit the agenda does it.

back to Iraq--I would like to see Kurds independent in similiar situation of Kuwaiit.
My reasoning--the secular (religious) violence between the Shites and Sunnis is unstoppable especially with terrorist strirring the pot.
You can't stop religious wars--it took how many years to stop the bombings it in Ireland--where there weren't outsiders or corrupt officials involved and had highly efficient police force.

We could debate whether we should be in Iraq till dooms day and thats fine--my problem is those that don't support it once we are committed because in reality those opinions are transferred to those troops fighting it. Unlike other wars where our soilders have little access to media--those over there do on daily basis and - as in life in general attitude is little thing that makes big diff.
Think of the thousands of soildiers that have given their lives in various wars--part of their coping with perils is knowing their country supports them--imagine for a minute if those in Normandy invasion had opportunity to read press of today before hitting the beaches.

Saw reporting from Iraq and interviews with troop recently and was amazed at morale there despite what they read.

All I'm asking is --one does not have to agree with premise of Iraq invasion but since we are in the game at least give the troops the attitude of home field adv in our own country. Support their efforts not look for every opp to ridicule them.

To avoid confusion--once again, remarks in general are not directed to you. I don't question your concern or loyalty to troops.

 

[smurphy]

back to Iraq--I would like to see Kurds independent in similiar situation of Kuwaiit.
My reasoning--the secular (religious) violence between the Shites and Sunnis is unstoppable especially with terrorist strirring the pot.
You can't stop religious wars--it took how many years to stop the bombings it in Ireland--where there weren't outsiders or corrupt officials involved and had highly efficient police force.

If we can't stop the religious war going on then why continue to have troops there? I believe this is the first mention you've made of a separate Kurdistan. Is that a recent change in your analysis?

I figure Rumsfield and this "bumbling" admin ran it parrallel to Iraq as both were included on axis of evil.

You can't see the difference? Afghanistan is where the Taliban is/was. It's where Bin Laden is/was. It's where 9-11 was plotted. It had everything tho do with 9-11, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. The difference is black and white, despite the way the Bush administration mashed it all together. Afghanistan was a necessary action that we should had done quicker and gone much bigger - afterall it was the actual enemy who actually executed the actual 9-11.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"If we can't stop the religious war going on then why continue to have troops there? I believe this is the first mention you've made of a separate Kurdistan. Is that a recent change in your analysis?"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No change Smurph-- Would use seperation as last resort but have had same attitude on strategy.


10-24-2006, 10:28 PM
DOGS THAT BARK
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Would put it to election stratagy also--don't think they know anything today they weren't aware of 2 months ago.
The only thing that will make diff is Iraq'i attitude from here on out--we took country in weeks--got rid of Saddam & Sons--gave them control of their own country via democracy--what will follow will be mostly on their shoulders.
If I had my druthers would like to see them further fortify greens zone and shore up area on Irans borders--put troops in support of Kurds who have helped themselves and let the iraqi's concentrate on trouble areas and if they want to kill eack other off--so be it. Would make one last offensive against Sadr's crew including him then pull back for air support only--let them run the patrols and take the hits from the IUD's.
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257968&highlight=stratagy+Kurds