Blue Jays Epic Trade?
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/blue-jays-close-to-acquiring-josh-johnson.html
Getting Buehrle as well.
Getting Buehrle as well.
opcorn2Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
The Blue Jays-Marlins trade is done... This is going to be one of the all-timers, with Reyes, Johnson, Bonifacio, Buck, Buehrle...holy crow.
The Blue Jays-Marlins trade is done... This is going to be one of the all-timers, with Reyes, Johnson, Bonifacio, Buck, Buehrle...holy crow.
The Toronto Bluejays have acquired the Miami Marlins.
The Marlins didn't get a bad deal from the Bluejays if you consider the exchange rate.
The Marlins didn't get a bad deal from the Bluejays if you consider the exchange rate.
Wonder what John Farrell is thinking right now....whats wrong AA, couldn't he get Stanton also:142smilie
Breaking down the huge Toronto-Miami trade
Blue Jays acquire SS Jose Reyes, RHP Josh Johnson, LHP Mark Buehrle, INF-OF Emilio Bonifacio, C John Buck and $4 million from the Marlins for SS Yunel Escobar, RHP Henderson Alvarez, SS Adeiny Hechvarria, LHP Justin Nicolino, OF Jake Marisnick, RHP Anthony DeSclafani and C Jeff Mathis.
- Of course, there?s the obvious thought: the Marlins are a joke and owner Jeffrey Loria needs to be forced out of baseball. That still applies.
That said, strictly as a baseball trade, this seems like a pretty good value for them. Reyes and Buehrle really shouldn?t have any trade value at all; the Marlins were the high bidders for both last year and signed them to backloaded contracts. Any time you can sign a free agent to a long-term deal and then trade him a year later, without eating any salary (though the Marlins did eat $4 million here), you?re coming out ahead. The back half of free agent deals are almost always worse than the front half.
Working under that theory, the only two guys in the deal for the Marlins with significant trade value were Johnson, who is one year away from free agency, and Bonifacio, an arbitration-eligible speedster who is an adequate regular at a few positions but not really exceptional anywhere.
In return, the Marlins are getting a cheap No. 3 or 4 starter in Alvarez, a possible long-term shortstop in Hechevarria, two very good prospects who will both probably crack the bottom half of top 100 lists next spring in Nicolino and Marisnick, a possible bullpen arm in DeSclafani and whatever Escobar brings back in trade. That?s pretty good. Better still if catcher Travis d?Arnaud was in there, but that probably would have required eating more salary than the Marlins were willing to do.
If this were a computer simulation, one could make a great argument that the Marlins came out ahead here. Figuring that they weren?t going to contend in 2013 anyway, they might as well start over, tank next year and then try to load up again come 2014 or ?15.
However, this is no computer simulation. The Marlins just took a big ol? crap on everyone who has supported them in recent years and ticked off their lone remaining star in Giancarlo Stanton. Also, it?s hard to imagine free agents will line up to sign with them, even if they do offer to overpay, after what happened to Reyes, Buehrle and Heath Bell. It?s going to take more than a year or two to recover from this.
- As for the Blue Jays, well, they obviously got a whole lot better. The rotation now lines up as Johnson, Buehrle, Brandon Morrow, Ricky Romero and probably J.A. Happ. Kyle Drabek will return from Tommy John sometime next year, and the team still has some quality pitching prospects behind them.
The lineup could look like:
SS Reyes
2B Bonifacio
RF Jose Bautista
DH/1B Edwin Encarnacion
1B/DH Adam Lind/free agent
3B Brett Lawrie
CF Colby Rasmus
C J.P. Arencibia
LF Free agent/Rajai Davis
With the newly signed Maicer Izturis leading the bench. The Jays could also trade Arencibia for a Lind replacement or a left fielder and then let top prospect Travis d?Arnaud compete for Buck, Bobby Wilson for catching chores in spring training.
The Jays also have plenty of live arms in relief and Sergio Santos making his way back. There?s no doubt that this team should be a contender. Whether it will be will hinge on keeping the arms healthy, especially Johnson?s. That?s an area in which the Blue Jays have had a lot of difficulties.
As is, the Blue Jays look like pretty good bets to claim one of the AL?s five playoff berths next year and those improved odds come at the expense of the Orioles, Rays and Red Sox.
Blue Jays acquire SS Jose Reyes, RHP Josh Johnson, LHP Mark Buehrle, INF-OF Emilio Bonifacio, C John Buck and $4 million from the Marlins for SS Yunel Escobar, RHP Henderson Alvarez, SS Adeiny Hechvarria, LHP Justin Nicolino, OF Jake Marisnick, RHP Anthony DeSclafani and C Jeff Mathis.
- Of course, there?s the obvious thought: the Marlins are a joke and owner Jeffrey Loria needs to be forced out of baseball. That still applies.
That said, strictly as a baseball trade, this seems like a pretty good value for them. Reyes and Buehrle really shouldn?t have any trade value at all; the Marlins were the high bidders for both last year and signed them to backloaded contracts. Any time you can sign a free agent to a long-term deal and then trade him a year later, without eating any salary (though the Marlins did eat $4 million here), you?re coming out ahead. The back half of free agent deals are almost always worse than the front half.
Working under that theory, the only two guys in the deal for the Marlins with significant trade value were Johnson, who is one year away from free agency, and Bonifacio, an arbitration-eligible speedster who is an adequate regular at a few positions but not really exceptional anywhere.
In return, the Marlins are getting a cheap No. 3 or 4 starter in Alvarez, a possible long-term shortstop in Hechevarria, two very good prospects who will both probably crack the bottom half of top 100 lists next spring in Nicolino and Marisnick, a possible bullpen arm in DeSclafani and whatever Escobar brings back in trade. That?s pretty good. Better still if catcher Travis d?Arnaud was in there, but that probably would have required eating more salary than the Marlins were willing to do.
If this were a computer simulation, one could make a great argument that the Marlins came out ahead here. Figuring that they weren?t going to contend in 2013 anyway, they might as well start over, tank next year and then try to load up again come 2014 or ?15.
However, this is no computer simulation. The Marlins just took a big ol? crap on everyone who has supported them in recent years and ticked off their lone remaining star in Giancarlo Stanton. Also, it?s hard to imagine free agents will line up to sign with them, even if they do offer to overpay, after what happened to Reyes, Buehrle and Heath Bell. It?s going to take more than a year or two to recover from this.
- As for the Blue Jays, well, they obviously got a whole lot better. The rotation now lines up as Johnson, Buehrle, Brandon Morrow, Ricky Romero and probably J.A. Happ. Kyle Drabek will return from Tommy John sometime next year, and the team still has some quality pitching prospects behind them.
The lineup could look like:
SS Reyes
2B Bonifacio
RF Jose Bautista
DH/1B Edwin Encarnacion
1B/DH Adam Lind/free agent
3B Brett Lawrie
CF Colby Rasmus
C J.P. Arencibia
LF Free agent/Rajai Davis
With the newly signed Maicer Izturis leading the bench. The Jays could also trade Arencibia for a Lind replacement or a left fielder and then let top prospect Travis d?Arnaud compete for Buck, Bobby Wilson for catching chores in spring training.
The Jays also have plenty of live arms in relief and Sergio Santos making his way back. There?s no doubt that this team should be a contender. Whether it will be will hinge on keeping the arms healthy, especially Johnson?s. That?s an area in which the Blue Jays have had a lot of difficulties.
As is, the Blue Jays look like pretty good bets to claim one of the AL?s five playoff berths next year and those improved odds come at the expense of the Orioles, Rays and Red Sox.
really good article at how baseball fans should be upset with Selig as much as the Marlins craptastic owner/management:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-trade-a-baseball-tragedy-bud-selig-deserves-blame.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-trade-a-baseball-tragedy-bud-selig-deserves-blame.html
Sources: Melky Cabrera to Blue Jays
Free-agent outfielder Melky Cabrera has agreed to a two-year contract worth $16 million with the Toronto Blue Jays, sources told ESPN.
ESPNDeportes.com's Enrique Rojas reported the agreement earlier Friday. Finalization of the deal hinges on Cabrera passing a physical, according to a source.
"Melky will be a Blue Jay if all goes well," the source told ESPN.Cabrera, who leaves the San Francisco Giants, was suspended for 50 games without pay in August after testing positive for testosterone. At the time of his ban, Cabrera led the National League in hits and was second in batting average.
The All-Star Game MVP, Cabrera did not return to the eventual champion Giants following his suspension.
Cabrera's signing would be another big move for the Blue Jays, who earlier this week agreed to a blockbuster trade with the Miami Marlins that will bring them shortstop Jose Reyes and pitchers Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle. That deal is pending MLB's approval.
Free-agent outfielder Melky Cabrera has agreed to a two-year contract worth $16 million with the Toronto Blue Jays, sources told ESPN.
ESPNDeportes.com's Enrique Rojas reported the agreement earlier Friday. Finalization of the deal hinges on Cabrera passing a physical, according to a source.
"Melky will be a Blue Jay if all goes well," the source told ESPN.Cabrera, who leaves the San Francisco Giants, was suspended for 50 games without pay in August after testing positive for testosterone. At the time of his ban, Cabrera led the National League in hits and was second in batting average.
The All-Star Game MVP, Cabrera did not return to the eventual champion Giants following his suspension.
Cabrera's signing would be another big move for the Blue Jays, who earlier this week agreed to a blockbuster trade with the Miami Marlins that will bring them shortstop Jose Reyes and pitchers Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle. That deal is pending MLB's approval.
