Bonds homered in OAK
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U know, i know many don't care and tim mccarver reiterates it more than often, but i dont see were all the hatred for bonds comes from. yes he's a prick but bottom line he is one of the greatest players ever to play.
The steroid issue was baseballs fault along with the players union. But baseball turned its eye for a long time.Revenue was up and balls were flying out of the park at an alarming rate and fans were loving it. If and I say if bonds used then he was able to because of the MLB turning the other cheek. The funny thing is that most old time players who have been interviewed have all said they would try it if no testing was in place.
The other thing that is even more puzzling is that pete rose commited the holy grail of all sins in bases and most would still suck his **** to get him in the hall of fame. But bonds did nothing illegal in his words or been caught cheating and he is being black balled.
Regardless of what u think of him as a person the guy is one the most feared hitters in baseball history. His statistics in last 8 years are incredible. None of us truly know the real story. But since the media prints it and talks about it they seem to know it all. Then a book is written incriminating bonds. God knows they never falsely report or write anything to make $$$.
All i know is that it takes a hell of a hitter to hit 714 hr's and too accumulate as many walks as he does a year. just think if he was pitched too like normal hitters how many he would have.
I am gonna throw something else out to you. If Pujols continues to assualt the hr record which i dont think he will. but if he does u watch how managers will pitch too him so he can break the record and remove bonds name. then if he does break it will pujol's be accused of using? i doubt it. what it may prove though is that maybe it wasn't steroids at all that has been the reason for hr's maybe the fact that the pitching is not really that good in baseball. Just something to think about.
The steroid issue was baseballs fault along with the players union. But baseball turned its eye for a long time.Revenue was up and balls were flying out of the park at an alarming rate and fans were loving it. If and I say if bonds used then he was able to because of the MLB turning the other cheek. The funny thing is that most old time players who have been interviewed have all said they would try it if no testing was in place.
The other thing that is even more puzzling is that pete rose commited the holy grail of all sins in bases and most would still suck his **** to get him in the hall of fame. But bonds did nothing illegal in his words or been caught cheating and he is being black balled.
Regardless of what u think of him as a person the guy is one the most feared hitters in baseball history. His statistics in last 8 years are incredible. None of us truly know the real story. But since the media prints it and talks about it they seem to know it all. Then a book is written incriminating bonds. God knows they never falsely report or write anything to make $$$.
All i know is that it takes a hell of a hitter to hit 714 hr's and too accumulate as many walks as he does a year. just think if he was pitched too like normal hitters how many he would have.
I am gonna throw something else out to you. If Pujols continues to assualt the hr record which i dont think he will. but if he does u watch how managers will pitch too him so he can break the record and remove bonds name. then if he does break it will pujol's be accused of using? i doubt it. what it may prove though is that maybe it wasn't steroids at all that has been the reason for hr's maybe the fact that the pitching is not really that good in baseball. Just something to think about.
bogdog said:
Yes hopefully he will die soon. And a very painful death hopefully too. I will not be satisfied until he is hit in the head over and over and over again.
In fact let's just disband the MLB, and start over with players who can 100% prove they have never cheated. Never thrown a spitball, never taken steroids, never corked their bat, never stole a sign. Oh and they all must be nice guys too, especially to the media. (off the field criminals are ok though)
Then we will be sure that the stats are accurate. I cannot appreciate a home run, stolen base, well pitched game, or even one second of baseball until that happens.
Die Bonds die...
(oh but while I am at a game, and booing and throwing shit at players on the field, you BETTER not intentially walk Bonds, cause dammit I'm a paying customer)
:shrug:
Sheesh.....the negativity. Fact still remains....'love'em or hate'em' he goes down in history as one of....if not 'the greatest' baseball player ever.
How's this for controversy..........BONDS RULES!!!!!
How's this for controversy..........BONDS RULES!!!!!
shit over that...first game lost 0-1 an nothin to brag about....now win an brag bragbrag.. :mj11:
If you dont think Barry Bonds will be voted in the hall of fame i will take you on that bet anyday with my house, car and bank account
BottomOfThe9th said:
First ballot in a heart beat. Steroids or not, if you have ever seen him play, he was the biggest game changer in a generation.
Now, I live in San Francisco, so I normally sit out of the Bonds debates out of bias, and I'm fine with putting some qualifier on his home run records, but take away 150 home runs (no way he would have hit that many fewer, even without steroids), and he is still a first ballot hall of famer. His steals came before the steroids, his glove came before the steroids.
He is a gimpy 40-something a shell of what he used to be an clearly isn't taking steroids anymore, and he STILL gets pitched around. If he was pitched too, he clearly could still hit 40+ HR if he was a DH. And probably for another year or two. Doesn't that say something?
He was an impossible At-Bat for pitchers even when he didn't hit a home run. McGwire/Sosa/Giambi/Canseco/Palmiero and all the other roiders couldn't intimidate on nearly the same level.
I have been to a number of games where he literally wouldn't see ONE strike his first 4 at bats, and late in the game the pitcher would make ONE mistake and he would crush it. I don't care how far the steroids made the ball fly, he simply has had the best batting eyes/pitch selection that any of us has ever seen. He never played in a hitter friendly park, and he never had a stacked lineup hitting around him, and he still excelled.
I didn't go crazy over his two or three home run years, and I didn't appreciate his lazy approach to running out grounders etc, but I was humbled so often that I can't totally hate the ball player.
And in a sense he makes the perfect target for the steroid backlash, because he is the least likeable person. So it will be a catharsis for baseball to lay it all on him an ignore the hundreds of others guys cheating right along with him.
He deserves the negative attention he gets, but he also deserved the positive attention he got. In the end his body will pay for his crimes, and baseball will heal for him retiring, but I am f'ing glad I got a chance to see him play day in and day out for 15 years.
Ronnie said:
Just about the whole gdm world. The media, espn, it's the only thing they talk about...Bonds this and Bonds that. It's overkill IMO. Making too big a deal for a second place record.
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I honestly dont think some of you realize how much every player in the majors hates him. He is hated by most of his teammates for the treatment he recieves and hated by 90% of the fans for just being a dick and cheating. I honestly think he could get stiffed a hall of fame, at least on the first ballot.
