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have a bulging disk lot of pain and very medicatied,they hope the naprason will help the swelling or what ever get another mri in 2 weeks then if it looks like its going down they are going with pt, get staples out monday. so i sleep most oe the time like in and out as i try ti sit up and watch game or type i feel the best when i stand.thanks to all that have ask and to the med people that told me to see someone else.
I can't even begin to tell ya how important physical therapy is. It will play an extremely large part in recovering from your injury. I had ACL reconstruction last March and they had my ass on a table at the PT clinic the next day. When I went in, my range of motion was probably less than 5%. When I left after a two hour visit, it was almost 30%. I'm tellin' ya, they damn near killed me! I thought about calling the police and have them arrested for cruel and unusual punishment!
Make damn sure you stick to their schedule. There will be many times when you feel like chit and ya want to skip your exercises for the day. DO NOT DO IT!!!! You have to make a committment to yourself that you're going to do this and because of it, you're gonna get better!
I will tell ya a little secret. After about my 3rd PT visit, I seriously thought about not coming back. I had never experienced that much pain in my life. So painful, it's actually hard to describe. During this period, I decided I was gonna pop a few pain killers before I went back to my physical therapist. During the session, the pain in my knee wasn't nearly as painful as going non-medicated. The little wonder pills did a wonderful job in masking the pain! Forget that chit about "no pain -- no gain"!
As the weeks went by, I slowly weened myself off the medication where the last two weeks I was taking NOTHING. As you could guess, the first few weeks are the WORST! Why go through all that if ya don't have to????
Make damn sure you stick to their schedule. There will be many times when you feel like chit and ya want to skip your exercises for the day. DO NOT DO IT!!!! You have to make a committment to yourself that you're going to do this and because of it, you're gonna get better!
I will tell ya a little secret. After about my 3rd PT visit, I seriously thought about not coming back. I had never experienced that much pain in my life. So painful, it's actually hard to describe. During this period, I decided I was gonna pop a few pain killers before I went back to my physical therapist. During the session, the pain in my knee wasn't nearly as painful as going non-medicated. The little wonder pills did a wonderful job in masking the pain! Forget that chit about "no pain -- no gain"!
As the weeks went by, I slowly weened myself off the medication where the last two weeks I was taking NOTHING. As you could guess, the first few weeks are the WORST! Why go through all that if ya don't have to????
i had the same with my or both knees and mine wasnot acl they were just cartilage mincus i know i spelled that wrong
but you know what i mean and that sucked ,acl's really hurt i know a few guys telling me their pt stories when i played so i'm sure the back wont be fun,he said net week the hope by fri to cut back on the pain med alittle at a time and the same with the valium,i have only been on it since the 6th so why do they have to cut back alittle at a time im on alot every 4 hours and the oxy stuff cant find the bottle jeri keeps that with here she thinks i will od on it because of the way i used the percocet,but hell it will only be like 3 weeks or alittle more your body need to through detox for that short of time? that shot i said that droped me in like 30sec was called dilaudid gave me 4mg of that with 30mg of toradol and 10 mg valium was out like a light i mean this stuff hit me before the could even get the rail up on the bed,and next thing i new it was 10 hours later.
4mg. of hydromorphone(dilaudid), 30mg toradol, and 10mg. of valium would have knocked a dinosaur out!
You must have been in a CHITLOAD of pain! I dunno if Dr. K has a cocktail that potent!
Shouldn't see any detox symptons for only a 3 week period of use, especially if you've been taking the medication as prescribed by your doc. But don't worry b/c if you do start to get some detox symptons, they got a pill for that as well.
Hang in there.......
Shouldn't see any detox symptons for only a 3 week period of use, especially if you've been taking the medication as prescribed by your doc. But don't worry b/c if you do start to get some detox symptons, they got a pill for that as well.
Hang in there.......
You also might want to start taking a supplement such as glucosamine and chondroitin. This combo would probably really help you out. My surgeon told me to start taking them right after my operation. With the meniscus damage to my knee, he said the glucosamine and chondroitin would actually start to regenerate cartliage cells and help maintain the proper functioning of my knee. Many people with arthritis have begun to find out how wonderful and powerful these two meds are. Most all the glucosamine that is produced, is coupled with chondroitin. At my place, someone could get about 200 tablets for a little over $25 bucks. Your dosage would more than likely be between 2-3 tablets a day. Thought you mind find this to be interesting....
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Despite the fact that the benefits of these glucosamine and chondroitin have been known for over twenty years, many people question why these products are just now being used in the United States. The answer lies in the fact that glucosamine and chondroitin are not products that can be patented and therefore offer little incentive to the large pharmaceutical companies to develop a product. Pharmaceutical companies spend millions in research and development and need a patented product to guarantee sales and to recoup their investment.
Another issue is that glucosamine and chondroitin are considered nutraceuticals and are not strictly controlled by the FDA. They are naturally occurring substances in many food products and fall in the same class as vitamins. Despite the overwhelmingly positive studies done in Europe, American researchers still refused to perform controlled studies. In fact, literature searches show that there are hardly any North American studies done on these products. But all this is quickly changing. Because of the huge number of humans and pets suffering from osteoarthritis and the tremendous success in the treatment of this disease when using glucosamine and chondroitin, many companies are now producing a product line and several broad research studies are underway.
Uses of glucosamine and chondroitin
Glucosamine products have been studied and used for the healing of skin wounds, stomach ailments and joint problems. Their use in the relief and healing of the symptoms of joint disease is currently their biggest use. Glucosamine and chondroitin have been successfully used in humans, horses, dogs and cats. This article deals only with glucosamine and chondroitin and their therapeutic use for osteoarthritis in the dog and cat.
There are many different joints that can be affected by osteoarthritis in the dog but by far the most common is the hip joints. Hip Dysplasia is very common in many of the larger breeds of dogs. This condition greatly exacerbates the normal wear on the smooth cartilage protecting the bony surface of the joint. When this cartilage wears away there is a bone to bone contact, which creates the pain seen with arthritis. Even dogs that don?t have hip dysplasia may have a decrease in this cartilage as they age and will show signs of arthritis. In addition, aging dogs may also have arthritis in their knees, elbows, and shoulders and cartilage loss or damage that respond to glucosamine and chondroitin.
Glucosamine and chondroitin are also often used as an aid in the treatment of spinal disc injuries
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Despite the fact that the benefits of these glucosamine and chondroitin have been known for over twenty years, many people question why these products are just now being used in the United States. The answer lies in the fact that glucosamine and chondroitin are not products that can be patented and therefore offer little incentive to the large pharmaceutical companies to develop a product. Pharmaceutical companies spend millions in research and development and need a patented product to guarantee sales and to recoup their investment.
Another issue is that glucosamine and chondroitin are considered nutraceuticals and are not strictly controlled by the FDA. They are naturally occurring substances in many food products and fall in the same class as vitamins. Despite the overwhelmingly positive studies done in Europe, American researchers still refused to perform controlled studies. In fact, literature searches show that there are hardly any North American studies done on these products. But all this is quickly changing. Because of the huge number of humans and pets suffering from osteoarthritis and the tremendous success in the treatment of this disease when using glucosamine and chondroitin, many companies are now producing a product line and several broad research studies are underway.
Uses of glucosamine and chondroitin
Glucosamine products have been studied and used for the healing of skin wounds, stomach ailments and joint problems. Their use in the relief and healing of the symptoms of joint disease is currently their biggest use. Glucosamine and chondroitin have been successfully used in humans, horses, dogs and cats. This article deals only with glucosamine and chondroitin and their therapeutic use for osteoarthritis in the dog and cat.
There are many different joints that can be affected by osteoarthritis in the dog but by far the most common is the hip joints. Hip Dysplasia is very common in many of the larger breeds of dogs. This condition greatly exacerbates the normal wear on the smooth cartilage protecting the bony surface of the joint. When this cartilage wears away there is a bone to bone contact, which creates the pain seen with arthritis. Even dogs that don?t have hip dysplasia may have a decrease in this cartilage as they age and will show signs of arthritis. In addition, aging dogs may also have arthritis in their knees, elbows, and shoulders and cartilage loss or damage that respond to glucosamine and chondroitin.
Glucosamine and chondroitin are also often used as an aid in the treatment of spinal disc injuries
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thanks. jeri and mom is all worried i am going to get back like i was when i was the xannax junkie,told them never would do that again or hope anyway thats why she took the pain meds like im alittle kid but left the valium here ,hell if i was going to do anything more which i dont need anyway belive me it would be the valium because thats almost like xannax. i was in alot of pain but like i said when i got those 3 shots there was nothing got bill today thats how i knew what it was ,all they told me was you will be outcheck this 26 for the dilaaudid 63 for the toradol and34 for the valium 123 for 3 shots and the ct thorax wit was 1968.00total bill for that night was 2602.36 unreal
Could this be an example of why we all are paying such huge premiums for health insurance??? Nah........
Glucosamine and chondroitin are normal substances found in the body of living animals. They are at their highest concentration in cartilage. Unfortunately, through degradation during digestion and processing, almost all of the glucosamine in an animal's diet is unavailable for use. The body therefore synthesizes most of its own glucosamine through a biochemical reaction utilizing glucose. In normal healthy animals the body is able to synthesizes enough glucosamine to keep the existing cartilage healthy but when the animal ages or there is damage to joint cartilage it cannot produce enough to keep up with the bodies needs. This is where a supplemental form of glucosamine is needed.
Supplemental glucosamine: Glucosamine is a 2- amino derivative of glucose which is obtained through the hydrolysis of chitin, a polysaccharide found in the shell of crustaceans. Crustaceans have a very high concentration of chitin and because the shells are often discarded provide a reliable and cost effective source of glucosamine.
Chondroitin: Cnondroitin is a naturally occurring product found in animal cartilage. Supplemental chondroitin is derived primarily from bovine (cow) cartilage, particularly the cartilage rings of the trachea. It is also derived from shark and whale cartilage. The source doesn?t appear to have any impact on its effect. Though for ecological reasons many consumers prefer bovine sources.
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How do glucosamine and chondroitin work?
Glucosamine provides the building blocks to synthesize new cartilage.
The way that glucosamine works is a very complicated process. In a nutshell, cartilage consist of several different cells one of which is chondrocytes. Chondrocytes are responsible for synthesizing new cartilage. Through normal wear, cartilage is constantly being broken down and replaced. When a dog has hip dysplasia or ages, the chondrocytes don?t have the building blocks available to them to build enough new cartilage to keep up with the breakdown of the old cartilage. Glucosamine provides the building blocks to synthesize new cartilage. Glucosamine is the building block necessary for the production of the substances called glycosaminoglycans. The glycosaminoglycans are combined with hyaluronic acid to make the substance proteoglycans. The proteoglycans and collagen are the main structures of cartilage.
Chondroitin blocks destructive enzymes that break down cartilage in the joint.
Chondroitin also is one of the products necessary for the synthesis of glycosaminoglycans. But it probably plays a more important role by combating and neutralizing destructive enzymes in the joint. There is always a low level of destructive enzymes found in the joint, but when injury or abnormal wear occurs, the destructive enzymes and agents increase accelerating cartilage destruction. When chondroitin is added to the diet it helps to reduce the level of these destructive enzymes.
What are the side effects?
There are very few side effects. Drs. Foster and Smith have sold tens of thousands of doses of glucosamine and chondroitin products and have never seen a single severe side effect. Glucosamine and chondroitin have been used for over 20 years in Europe without any complication or listing of side effects. Occasionally a dog will vomit or get diarrhea with this product. If the dose is reduced or given with food the symptoms are usually alleviated. Once a dog begins using the product they must stay on it for the rest of their lives or the degeneration of the joint cartilage will return. Once the product has promoted healing for 8 weeks, the dose is often reduced. The safety of this product is well suited for long term use. It can also be used with most other drugs and vitamins without any complication. The owner of any animal that is taking a medication should always seek veterinary advice before adding any new product or drug.
Where can I get glucosamine and chondroitin?
Glucosamine and chondroitin can be found in many different forms. Glucosamine in a pure form, or combined with chondroitin, can be purchased in health food stores, at veterinary clinics and in pet supply catalogs.
Not all glucosamine and chondroitin products are created equal however. The difference in various products lies in the dosing, carriers, vitamins, minerals and purity of the ingredients. Products that contain human grade glucosamine and chondroitin are much more likely to be of high quality and in a purer form. In addition to ingredients, the concentration of actual glucosamine and chondroitin vary from product to product. Products designed for dogs often have ascorbic acid or manganese to help aid in the uptake of glucosamine in the canine. Canine products may be flavored or fortified with other minerals. The most expensive product is not always the best. Compare the ingredients between products to insure that you are getting what you pay for. Some of the most popular products for canines include Drs. Foster and Smith's Joint Care, Cosequin made by Nutramax, and Glycoflex.
Supplemental glucosamine: Glucosamine is a 2- amino derivative of glucose which is obtained through the hydrolysis of chitin, a polysaccharide found in the shell of crustaceans. Crustaceans have a very high concentration of chitin and because the shells are often discarded provide a reliable and cost effective source of glucosamine.
Chondroitin: Cnondroitin is a naturally occurring product found in animal cartilage. Supplemental chondroitin is derived primarily from bovine (cow) cartilage, particularly the cartilage rings of the trachea. It is also derived from shark and whale cartilage. The source doesn?t appear to have any impact on its effect. Though for ecological reasons many consumers prefer bovine sources.
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How do glucosamine and chondroitin work?
Glucosamine provides the building blocks to synthesize new cartilage.
The way that glucosamine works is a very complicated process. In a nutshell, cartilage consist of several different cells one of which is chondrocytes. Chondrocytes are responsible for synthesizing new cartilage. Through normal wear, cartilage is constantly being broken down and replaced. When a dog has hip dysplasia or ages, the chondrocytes don?t have the building blocks available to them to build enough new cartilage to keep up with the breakdown of the old cartilage. Glucosamine provides the building blocks to synthesize new cartilage. Glucosamine is the building block necessary for the production of the substances called glycosaminoglycans. The glycosaminoglycans are combined with hyaluronic acid to make the substance proteoglycans. The proteoglycans and collagen are the main structures of cartilage.
Chondroitin blocks destructive enzymes that break down cartilage in the joint.
Chondroitin also is one of the products necessary for the synthesis of glycosaminoglycans. But it probably plays a more important role by combating and neutralizing destructive enzymes in the joint. There is always a low level of destructive enzymes found in the joint, but when injury or abnormal wear occurs, the destructive enzymes and agents increase accelerating cartilage destruction. When chondroitin is added to the diet it helps to reduce the level of these destructive enzymes.
What are the side effects?
There are very few side effects. Drs. Foster and Smith have sold tens of thousands of doses of glucosamine and chondroitin products and have never seen a single severe side effect. Glucosamine and chondroitin have been used for over 20 years in Europe without any complication or listing of side effects. Occasionally a dog will vomit or get diarrhea with this product. If the dose is reduced or given with food the symptoms are usually alleviated. Once a dog begins using the product they must stay on it for the rest of their lives or the degeneration of the joint cartilage will return. Once the product has promoted healing for 8 weeks, the dose is often reduced. The safety of this product is well suited for long term use. It can also be used with most other drugs and vitamins without any complication. The owner of any animal that is taking a medication should always seek veterinary advice before adding any new product or drug.
Where can I get glucosamine and chondroitin?
Glucosamine and chondroitin can be found in many different forms. Glucosamine in a pure form, or combined with chondroitin, can be purchased in health food stores, at veterinary clinics and in pet supply catalogs.
Not all glucosamine and chondroitin products are created equal however. The difference in various products lies in the dosing, carriers, vitamins, minerals and purity of the ingredients. Products that contain human grade glucosamine and chondroitin are much more likely to be of high quality and in a purer form. In addition to ingredients, the concentration of actual glucosamine and chondroitin vary from product to product. Products designed for dogs often have ascorbic acid or manganese to help aid in the uptake of glucosamine in the canine. Canine products may be flavored or fortified with other minerals. The most expensive product is not always the best. Compare the ingredients between products to insure that you are getting what you pay for. Some of the most popular products for canines include Drs. Foster and Smith's Joint Care, Cosequin made by Nutramax, and Glycoflex.
