Bush to kill more troops for oil, Iraq new oil law

[Spytheweb]

At any time within the next few days, the Iraqi Council of Ministers is expected to approve a new "hydrocarbon law" essentially drawn up by the Bush administration and its UK lackey, the Independent on Sunday reported. The new bill will "radically redraw the Iraqi oil industry and throw open the doors to the third-largest oil reserves in the world," says the paper, whose reporters have seen a draft of the new law. "It would allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil companies in the country since the industry was nationalized in 1972." If the government's parliamentary majority prevails, the law should take effect in March.

As the paper notes, the law will give Exxon Mobil, BP, Shell and other carbon cronies of the White House unprecedented sweetheart deals, allowing them to pump gargantuan profits from Iraq's nominally state-owned oilfields for decades to come. This law has been in the works since the very beginning of the invasion - indeed, since months before the invasion, when the Bush administration brought in Phillip Carroll, former CEO of both Shell and Fluor, the politically-wired oil servicing firm, to devise "contingency plans" for divvying up Iraq's oil after the attack. Once the deed was done, Carroll was made head of the American "advisory committee" overseeing the oil industry of the conquered land, as Joshua Holland of Alternet.com has chronicled in two remarkable reports on the backroom maneuvering over Iraq's oil: "Bush's Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq's Oil and "The US Takeover of Iraqi Oil."

 

[gardenweasel]

this is a tad redundant,as chad did this topic..... and oh so much more effectively, i might add......

are there any fbi agents in the house?.....are there any openings in the "witless protection" program?...

stw/"my hatsize is the square root of my i.q.".....:dizzy:

 

[dr. freeze]

You act like you would rather have the oil in the hands of Crazy Thrid world dictators like Hussein, Ahminajad, Chavez.

What a loon!!!

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[ferdville]

That would go toward paying back the mountainous sums we have contributed in Iraq. If they are going to open the fields up to foreign entities, better us than China.

 

[Chadman]

Flattered, GW. And even after I assaulted you in my thread...:kiss:

As for you, Freeze, I'm starting to honestly get a complex. I'm starting to think that I can kick your arse on virtually any topic, as I continually hit you with a solid logical post and you NEVER respond. I am not one to toot my own horn, but I just want to know if it's possible that I can always thoroughly destroy you on every topic that you enter into?

You actually have arguable positions in some cases, but I guess the lower class minions around here (that have to stay out of your yard) aren't even worth your effort even when they embarrass you.

I notice you have started using fewer big words lately and just finished up most of your topics with the multi-dude-falling-down-laughing thing.

Easier than admitting your are wrong, I suppose. Carry on...

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[Chadman]

That would go toward paying back the mountainous sums we have contributed in Iraq. If they are going to open the fields up to foreign entities, better us than China.

So, ferdville, you would then admit that our administration was:

A. Lying
B. Stupid
C. All of the above

When they told us that Iraqi oil would pay our government for the war in Iraq?

Somehow, this administration managed to make sure that the Iraqi oil did not pay SHITE to our government for this war, and ensured that US oil companies would be able to make money off those reserves (after spending ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY AND 20,000 tropps to ensure their expansion is completed).

Seems to be disturbing trend among war candle holders around here that the ends justify the means even when we were told specifically by those they support that this situation was not the case.

You guys are laughable on this subject. I can't even sugarcoat this one politely...I'm sorry.

 

[dr. freeze]

:sadwave: :142smilie :142smilie

Flattered, GW. And even after I assaulted you in my thread..

As for you, Freeze, I'm starting to honestly get a complex. I'm starting to think that I can kick your arse on virtually any topic, as I continually hit you with a solid logical post and you NEVER respond. I am not one to toot my own horn, but I just want to know if it's possible that I can always thoroughly destroy you on every topic that you enter into?

You actually have arguable positions in some cases, but I guess the lower class minions around here (that have to stay out of your yard) aren't even worth your effort even when they embarrass you.

I notice you have started using fewer big words lately and just finished up most of your topics with the multi-dude-falling-down-laughing thing.

Easier than admitting your are wrong, I suppose. Carry on...

:mj07:

lmao you leftists want to GIVE money away to pay for people's education, health care, etc. etc. but when it is EARNED to pay for such things you are against it:nono: :nono: :nono:

you leftists want to steal money from those who make money by being productive to "pay down the deficit" but are against them being productive

you leftists want us to provide for the poor but take away means of production and transportation by demonizing the oil we need to do so

you leftists fail to see in any way moral UNequivalence between actions of the United States and Russia, France and China????? Are you kidding me???? Which of these countries is solely holding the world together by itself and singlehandedly providing aid and relief across the globe????? France's economy and army can't work itself out of the toilet, Russia and China have inflicited cruel hardship upon hundreds of millions in the last few decades and you compare us to these countries??????

The U.S., with its MIGHT -- economic AND military is single handed keeping the world economy afloat AND trying its best, despite you leftists with your heads in the sand, to hold back Islamofasciism. Look at history how ignoring the problem has worked -- read about Ghandi, the Sudan, whatever. Look at what it has done to the ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST in the last few centuries... What great thing do they contribute to the world??? (other than sitting on oil) and How do they use their resources to help those in need in the rest of the world??? (what great advancement, vaccine, innovation has come out of here to help human suffering in the last few centuries)

You leftists crack me up:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[djv]

What the heck our return on dollar for oil that will get back to the USA is poor odds for our soldiers to die for. Just because it's Ex-mobile & Shell does not mean we see a drop more then before 2001.
Hals not going to do anything to help. Yes some American and English companies will make bucks off our soldiers backs. Remember where Iraq's oil was going. It still is. Europe. Wheres there soldiers to protect there interest. Why is it our job.

 

[Spytheweb]

a oil CEO got a 400,000,000.00 dollar retirement package. Here in Las Vegas there are families living on the sidewalks, while they put up billion dollar casinos. there 44,000,000 Americans without healthcare, 18,000 die a year who need healthcare. The US government said that Iraqi oil belongs to the Iraqi people, yea right, like American oil belongs to the American people. I saw a news report yesterday that former Iraqi government employees, ripped off some of that 2.3 billion dollars that the US sent to Iraq and are now living in England, well. The Iraqi puppet government is going to hand their oil over to anyone with big bucks, line their pockets before fleeing the country after the US leaves. Saying that the US should controll the oil is like saying that if you're stopped at a light and someone puts a 9mm in your ear and takes your car, he should have it. If we take what is not ours what makes us better than the "Terrorists"? This is not about them controlling the oil, this is about making money for Bush and his oil buddies at the cost of Americans lives.

 

[gardenweasel]

dinner just found it`s way back up....

 

[dr. freeze]

a oil CEO got a 400,000,000.00 dollar retirement package. Here in Las Vegas there are families living on the sidewalks, while they put up billion dollar casinos. there 44,000,000 Americans without healthcare, 18,000 die a year who need healthcare. The US government said that Iraqi oil belongs to the Iraqi people, yea right, like American oil belongs to the American people. I saw a news report yesterday that former Iraqi government employees, ripped off some of that 2.3 billion dollars that the US sent to Iraq and are now living in England, well. The Iraqi puppet government is going to hand their oil over to anyone with big bucks, line their pockets before fleeing the country after the US leaves. Saying that the US should controll the oil is like saying that if you're stopped at a light and someone puts a 9mm in your ear and takes your car, he should have it. If we take what is not ours what makes us better than the "Terrorists"? This is not about them controlling the oil, this is about making money for Bush and his oil buddies at the cost of Americans lives.

No its about securing the world's oil supply after a madman tried to obtain too much which would have/could have tanked the world's economy

Then 300 million Americans would have been without health care.

Fortunately, here in America EVERYONE can earn their own health care and EVERYONE can EARN a profit -- its called the "American Dream". You can go from rags to riches and along the way you not only help yourself you help lots of people through your own PRODUCTIVITY.

Get a grip dude you are whacked if you would rather have Hussein, Chavez, Ahminajad, and Putin controlling the world's oil supply.:nono: :nono: :nono:

 

[dr. freeze]

What the heck our return on dollar for oil that will get back to the USA is poor odds for our soldiers to die for. Just because it's Ex-mobile & Shell does not mean we see a drop more then before 2001.
Hals not going to do anything to help. Yes some American and English companies will make bucks off our soldiers backs. Remember where Iraq's oil was going. It still is. Europe. Wheres there soldiers to protect there interest. Why is it our job.

No they died securing the world's oil supply from the hands of a madman who was threatening the United States of America and who was refusing to comply with a ceasefire agreement 20 some odd times. The sleeping giant awoke after we could tolerate such behavior no longer.

Quit trying to diminish the sacrifice of our boys. Its very disrespectful to all Americans. They spilled their blood protecting me and you.:nono: :nono:

 

[Jabberwocky]

"No they died securing the world's oil supply from the hands of a madman who was threatening the United States of America"

Freeze, you are truly an insane idiot if you believe the shit that you spew. Gas prices when Bush Jr. took over and Saddam the "madman" was in power were quite reasonable and stable. The world economy was doing just fine and was not being held hostage by the "madman". After Bush invaded Iraq, and the "madman" (insert bogeyman for madman) was removed from power, gas prices have spiked (except for a brief reprieve before the election). You moronic neocons think that Bush Jr. and Dick Cheney are doing what they are to protect the American people because gosh darnit they care about the average citizen. In your view they are just good patriots and it has nothing to do with war profiteering and serving the narrow interests of their big oil corporate cronies. What a simple, naive, PollyAnna world you live in. You righties don't crack me up, you make me want to fvcking puke.

 

[The Sponge]

"No they died securing the world's oil supply from the hands of a madman who was threatening the United States of America"

Freeze, you are truly an insane idiot if you believe the shit that you spew. Gas prices when Bush Jr. took over and Saddam the "madman" was in power were quite reasonable and stable. The world economy was doing just fine and was not being held hostage by the "madman". After Bush invaded Iraq, and the "madman" (insert bogeyman for madman) was removed from power, gas prices have spiked (except for a brief reprieve before the election). You moronic neocons think that Bush Jr. and Dick Cheney are doing what they are to protect the American people because gosh darnit they care about the average citizen. In your view they are just good patriots and it has nothing to do with war profiteering and serving the narrow interests of their big oil corporate cronies. What a simple, naive, PollyAnna world you live in. You righties don't crack me up, you make me want to fvcking puke.

Couldn't have said it better and what is truly frightening is this jackass is trying to become a doctor. I wonder if he has giving back any of those student loans i have to pay for. He hates every program for the poor but when it comes to him he raids our tax money like a common thief. Give the money back Freeze and go earn your own college tuition im tired of carrying your lazy ass. Im tired of you milking govt programs.

 

[Chadman]

:sadwave: :142smilie :142smilie

1. lmao you leftists want to GIVE money away to pay for people's education, health care, etc. etc. but when it is EARNED to pay for such things you are against it.

2. you leftists want to steal money from those who make money by being productive to "pay down the deficit" but are against them being productive.

3. you leftists want us to provide for the poor but take away means of production and transportation by demonizing the oil we need to do so.

4. you leftists fail to see in any way moral UNequivalence between actions of the United States and Russia, France and China????? Are you kidding me????

Thought I would address this diatribe quickly.

1. I am for the two things you said, and am not against anyone earning as much money as they want. Go for it.

2. I think everyone should be productive, if that's what they want to do. I think that conservatives that don't care about a balanced budget should pay the difference in the tax dollars it takes from our treasury to make up the difference - which currently is about 1/3 of all tax revenue that comes in. I could see lower taxes along with a real effort to balance the budget with cuts in areas that those benefiting from the cuts might not always agree with. How about that?

3. I don't think anyone could really understand your convoluted point here, but lets just say I think oil is good. Don't believe I ever said oil was bad.

4. I definitely think there is a moral unequivalence in the countries you mention. Never said otherwise, and I didn't compare moralities in my comments. I merely posted a hypothetical situation, and asked if that would be ok with you? And the thought occurs to me that if we continue to operate the way we have been, our definition of democracy will take on a much darker definition, which I think has already taken us closer TO those countries in how we act. We, meaning this administration.

Again, with the unpatriotic BS in your follow up post. That is such a sad stab you make every so often. Some people with a fair view of the world can separate the quality job our troops do from the reason why an administration put them in place to act.

 

[dr. freeze]

evidently "Sponge" and "Jabberwocky" think that we would have had 1$/gallon gas forever without regards to world supply/demand and increasing tension in the middle east as Hussein was obviuosy intent on further defiance

from a physician's perspective, using your line of thought, cigarettes must be harmless because a teenager can smoke for years and nothing happens when he is 20

good grief you two fools have absoluetly no idea what is or has gone on in the last decade with regards to the oil industry so shut up while you are still behind

 

[Jabberwocky]

your analogy is a non sequitur. As a "physician" I would expect that you could read a chart. It is no use trying to argue facts with you, as you only deal in generalities about what "would" have happened had we not invaded. And now, under your boy GW Jr.'s watch, North Korea has a nuke and Iran is well on the way. Boy do I feel safer now that Saddam and all those WMD's have been taken out.