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kosar

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AGAIN, people on the ground fighting for those who help them and advance the 'cause.' In this case, ignored by our state department, who last I checked, was led by Condi.

On another note, what's this 'new' controversey about us STILL not getting the best equipment over to Iraq? Hell, it's only been 5 years and Rumsfeld is gone. What's the excuse now?

BETRAYED BY STATE

OUR BUREAUCRACY IS KILLING IRAQIS WHO HELP OUR TROOPS

By OWEN WEST

Bush: President has a duty to intervene.


February 29, 2008 -- AS a Marine, I was taught never to leave a comrade-in-arms behind on the bat tlefield. But that's exactly what the State Department is doing to men and women who've sacrificed everything to help our troops - our Iraqi interpreters.

When I last left Iraq 12 months ago, I promised to save two "terps" marked for assassination. Last month, I received a desperate e-mail from one of them: "Sir my situatione is so bad naw please save my life. Please help me sir."

A year after making my promise, I'm deeply ashamed that I haven't completed the mission. And I'm not alone: To help "their" terps, Marines and soldiers across the country are battling a bureaucracy that is at times more maddening than the Iraqi insurgency.

Shunning those who risk death to help us deliver freedom is un-American.

On my second tour in Iraq in 2006-7, I was posted to an obscure town outside Ramadi to advise an Iraqi battalion. They were hardy soldiers with a hard mission - roadside bombs were commonplace in the area. My team couldn't have functioned without our two interpreters, who I'll call Alex and Reyes.

Soon after a childhood friend accused Alex of collaboration for serving as an interpreter, his brother was tortured to death in a dump. His father disowned him.

Reyes was wounded in a bombing that targeted the US troops for whom he was translating. When he went home to reassure his family, a neighbor saw the neat bandages - and spread the word that Reyes worked for the Americans, making him a marked man.

Iraqi interpreters are men and women without a country. By helping our troops, they're building a better future for Iraq - but they become prime targets for the enemy, and are forsaken even by ordinary Iraqis. Spies and assassins lurk in every city. The police and the army, with their scams and tribal loyalties, don't protect the terps - whose loyalty therefore lies with the Americans.

Alex and Reyes - two combat veterans, proven in loyalty and fluent in Arabic - wanted to become US Marines. Given the challenging stateside recruiting environment, I tried to get them fast-tracked - getting a general to write glowing letters of endorsement.

It took me two months after returning home to assemble the initial documents to apply for a special visa, which included two security screenings by the US military.

The packages then made their way through another screening by the Department of Homeland Security - which eventually forwarded them to State for its own lengthy screening and an entirely new set of paperwork.

Then a State Department clerk wrote to say that both "interrupters" needed new Iraqi passports. It was already clear that interrupting was exactly what State thought the terps were doing.

Bizarrely, State said the new passports were needed to prevent fraud. Yet State knows full well that anyone can get an Iraqi passport by forking over enough cash - top terrorists have two or three.

But you also have to apply in person, waiting in chaotic lines at one of just a few ministry offices. As marked men, the terps had to dress in sweat suits and infiltrate their hometowns to survive in the hours-long wait.

Alex had to pay $750 to get his new passport. Reyes was left in tears when told to come back with his father (who's dead) to prove his identity - or more cash.

Nine months into the whole process, State e-mailed Alex, telling him to report to Jordan with $380 for a visa interview. Another State e-mail informed Reyes that, since he'd served in the Iraqi Army, State needed his military record for its review.

State's requirement of Reyes - finding his Iraqi Ministry of Defense records - is dangerous, meaningless and probably impossible. Trying to get the file would expose him to assassins, and just about the only file you can easily (again, for cash) get from Iraqi government clerks is a forged one.

The problem for Alex was getting into Jordan - where most Iraqis are turned away at the border. (The lucky ones get herded into bribery-infested processing pens like cattle.) I asked State to help him get into Jordan - and last month was told he could pick up an "entry letter" - inside Jordan.

Meanwhile, though, State had cancelled his interview. The closest date it had available would come after his State Department security clearance had expired. He had to start over.

Now I understand why some of my peers have established underground railroads to Jordan - sneaking their terps through like hunted slaves. They've lost faith in their own government.

Iraq vets and terps now call State's paper maze the "waiting to die list" - because it requires interpreters to risk death to purchase passports and cross the border undisguised.

Congress has held hearings. Reporters have done newspaper and TV stories; there's even a play about State's obscene mess. Ambassador Ryan Crocker, the top US civilian in Iraq, has complained, citing "major bottlenecks" in a terse memo to State.

President Bush has a duty to intervene. The honorable remedy is to trust the US military: Let a returning brigade that wants to bring some of its interpreters home simply fill out the visa paperwork on base, then carry them along on the aircraft.

Whom should America trust more, the judgment of a Marine or Army brigade commander - or a faceless bureaucrat in Nebraska or Amman?

Owen West, a commodities trader, has served two tours in Iraq with the Marines.
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if this is true it`s utterly disgusting...

i couldn`t agree with you more...the bureaucracy is ridiculous...

there needs to be a fast track for those that have sacrificed so much to help us...and their own country....

this stuff makes me livid....

i`m going to send this to a friend who has connections with a famous female conservative talk show host and see if maybe they will see fit to shed some light on the issue...

thats an excellent post,there.....hats off...
 

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Bush uses the soldiers for a back drop for photo ops. He and republicans don't care about military people. Just look at his service, AWOL for a year, joined the NG to get out of going to war. Cheney 5 military deferments. Even Romey, 5 sons and none in the military. Even England had their Prince in the war.

The war was a big fu#king mistake but the republicans want to keep it going because their friends are making money, the banks are making money. How can this President send money there when New Orleans looks like sh#t, his own country.
 

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Just look at his service, AWOL for a year, joined the NG to get out of going to war. Cheney 5 military deferments. Even Romey, 5 sons and none in the military. Even England had their Prince in the war.
Geez, these might qualify as "facts". But I don't think Dogs would offer a reply to them.
 

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Bush uses the soldiers for a back drop for photo ops. He and republicans don't care about military people. Just look at his service, AWOL for a year, joined the NG to get out of going to war. Cheney 5 military deferments. Even Romey, 5 sons and none in the military. Even England had their Prince in the war.

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like yourself...and your son?....lol...you may beat your wife and make her walk behind you...that`s about the extent of your combat experience...

i guess that means obama and hillary might as well not run....z`at right,brainiac?...

cause they, for sure, could NEVER make any military decisions...

i mean,how could they?...they never served...chelsea and michele never served....and bill fled overseas,if i remember correctly....

do you even think for a second before posting this drivel?....
 

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That really pisses me off. Got a another suggestion, and I know some of all y'all love the rag, but this issue in Rolling Stone has a pretty disturbing bit on the surge, written by Nir Rosen....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18722376/the_myth_of_the_surge

The guy has credibility as a non-partisan journalist with the ability to speak multiple Arabic languages, leading to an ability to embed himself with former insurgents currently on the US payroll.

The guy is a fellow at the New America Foundation, which is a non-partisan "radical centrist" think tank in DC with a broad range of ideologies on their board.

He's also a fellow at NYU (Law School) Center on Law & Security, another non-profit group that covers legal issues related to homeland security and counter-terrorism prosecution.

All of you should read it with an open mind.........it'll really burn yer azz.
 

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Saw how lenthy article was Doc and did quick check on his other articles written on war and concluded he might be a little biased on his opinion--

Articles
Rosen, Nir. ?If America Left Iraq: The case for cutting and running, "The Atlantic Monthly," (December 2005).
Rosen, Nir. "Nir Rosen on Iraq?s descent into civil war: 'This is a U.S. crime'". "Socialist Worker" (December 8, 2006 | Pages 6 and 7)
Rosen, Nir. "The Flight from Iraq," "New York Times Magazine" (May 13, 2007)
Rosen, Nir. "Riding Shotgun With Our Shadow Army in Iraq," "Mother Jones magazine" (May/June 2007)
Rosen, Nir. "The Myth of the Surge" "Rolling Stone" (March 2008)
 

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I think there are plenty of people biased against this war, the surge, the whole shooting match, Wayne. Although you didn't say it directly, just because someone has a different opinion than a company line, it doesn't necessarily mean it is wrong.
 

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Saw how lenthy article was Doc and did quick check on his other articles written on war and concluded he might be a little biased on his opinion--

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Rosen, Nir. ?If America Left Iraq: The case for cutting and running, "The Atlantic Monthly," (December 2005).
Rosen, Nir. "Nir Rosen on Iraq?s descent into civil war: 'This is a U.S. crime'". "Socialist Worker" (December 8, 2006 | Pages 6 and 7)
Rosen, Nir. "The Flight from Iraq," "New York Times Magazine" (May 13, 2007)
Rosen, Nir. "Riding Shotgun With Our Shadow Army in Iraq," "Mother Jones magazine" (May/June 2007)
Rosen, Nir. "The Myth of the Surge" "Rolling Stone" (March 2008)

Did you read the article, Wayne, or did you just figure that your 'research' was enough? :rolleyes:
 

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We all opine on Iraq DTB. I don't think having your own looking glass takes away your credibility, or wtf are we all doing here:shrug: Just read it, and read some of the other ones as well...they'll make you think.

Iraq is a freakin' tarbaby, baby. I don't think Rosen's worldview particularly tarnishes what he found out. I'm sure there are stories about how true-blue Iraqis have taken back their neighborhoods and its gonna be all better, but based on the history of the region over the last 90 yrs, that won't really pass the smell test. It's about money and power now for these folk; their religiosity just makes it easier to pick their team, but the goal is the same.......how do divvy up the goods in the most fair manner for me. Not so different from us where the rubber meets the road.......think about it.

We can leave now, in 18 months, or 100yrs........when we leave, it'll be a mess, just like it was when we found it. We can keep this patient on life support for awhile, at the expense of our credibility, the effectiveness of our armed forces, and our savings accounts, and the result will be the same. I can't be convinced that our presence there makes us safer over here.......and we keep playing this freakin' hand like we're playing "night baseball" in our basement wasted, hoping the two idiots to our right don't start flipping over 3's & 9's while we keep pushing checks into the pot hoping to flip over 5 of a kind. As soon as you know the hand's a loser, lay it down.
 

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We all opine on Iraq DTB. I don't think having your own looking glass takes away your credibility, or wtf are we all doing here:shrug: Just read it, and read some of the other ones as well...they'll make you think.

Iraq is a freakin' tarbaby, baby. I don't think Rosen's worldview particularly tarnishes what he found out. I'm sure there are stories about how true-blue Iraqis have taken back their neighborhoods and its gonna be all better, but based on the history of the region over the last 90 yrs, that won't really pass the smell test. It's about money and power now for these folk; their religiosity just makes it easier to pick their team, but the goal is the same.......how do divvy up the goods in the most fair manner for me. Not so different from us where the rubber meets the road.......think about it.

We can leave now, in 18 months, or 100yrs........when we leave, it'll be a mess, just like it was when we found it. We can keep this patient on life support for awhile, at the expense of our credibility, the effectiveness of our armed forces, and our savings accounts, and the result will be the same. I can't be convinced that our presence there makes us safer over here.......and we keep playing this freakin' hand like we're playing "night baseball" in our basement wasted, hoping the two idiots to our right don't start flipping over 3's & 9's while we keep pushing checks into the pot hoping to flip over 5 of a kind. As soon as you know the hand's a loser, lay it down.

no occupation enthusiasts will take the time to read a report from an ebedded journalist in Iraq? :shrug:

sounds about right.
 

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no occupation enthusiasts will take the time to read a report from an ebedded journalist in Iraq? :shrug:

sounds about right.

sorry to disappoint you jw but unless it's about football or a tenant lease, i will not read anything that is 6 pages long. i'll wait until the movie comes out & then get back to you.
 

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sorry to disappoint you jw but unless it's about football or a tenant lease, i will not read anything that is 6 pages long. i'll wait until the movie comes out & then get back to you.

Isn't that special!? Quite a comment from the king of long article posts that he always calls "interesting". You need to come to terms with who you are, pardner.:00x19
 
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