San Antonio is 6 games... Clearly the better team. Duncan is only at 50% and they still have no answer.
BYE BYE SUNS
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Adding another 250.00 on Detroit to win the championship... Another 200.00 on Spurs to win this series...
DIRTY Diapers said:
Seriously, this game came down to a barrage of 3's by Barry. You didn't predict that.
Stoudamire blew up the Spurs front line the entire game.
You can't honestly say you "capped" this outcome. It is uncappable. Two evenly matched teams, and that was one game. After Game 1 of Suns-Mavs series, everyone buried Mavs, but they certainly could have taken that one. Everyone buried Pistons last year and some even this year. Everyone buried Wizards against Bulls. The list goes on. I have been around this a long time, and you need to have some persepctive on these things.
a team loses one game and the series is over already..
somebody forgot to tell the red sox that last year
somebody forgot to tell the red sox that last year
OVER OVER - The Spurs own this team just look at the regular season. Duncan with two bum ankles blew up the entire Suns roster. Bulls????? Try and compare the friggin Bulls/Wizards to this Spurs team.
I know it's only one game... But I just can't see the Spurs losing to this team in a series.
I know it's only one game... But I just can't see the Spurs losing to this team in a series.
By the way Barry is a good three point shooter... Especially if you leave him wide open. This is why the Spurs are a tough match up. You have to worry about Duncan, Manu, and Parker. Barry will continue to get wide open shots this series. If he hits them the Spurs will win in five... If he doesn't the Spurs will win in 6 or 7. But they will not lose this series.
Sonics played better defense than Suns. Sonics also have big men (wide bodies) down low. How many easy baskets did Spurs get in the paint today? A LOT! Sonics took the role players OUT of the Spurs. Today the Spurs role players had OPEN shots. Of course they are going to nail them, especially with Barry who is a sharp shooter.
If Duncan was healthy, this series is over.
Suns had monster games out of Jim Jackson, Nash, and A. Stuadimire. They still lost at home. Not a good sign! If you have 3 guys playing great at home, you should win. That is what Sonics had against Spurs and they won or competed. Difference is Sonics played better defense and caused matchup problems. Suns are going to have a tough time winning this series if they are not going to play great defense. But we already know Suns are not a great defensive team and they don't have big bodies and depth.
Amare got a lot of his pts on outside shots. He played great and stepped up. But remember, Amare gets majority of his pts with dunks, layups, and free throws. NOT OUTSIDE SHOTS! Wonder if Amare is going to have another monster game shooting outside shots. Spurs want Amare scoring outside shots vs dunks/layups/free throws. If he is making them, nothing Spurs can do. He is a superstar. Tip your hat. That is the difference. Suns could not stop Spurs role players. Spurs did! Look at the 4th quarter! NIGHTMARE FOR SUNS!
Spurs get crucial games 3 and 4 at home and are guaranteed at least a split @Phoenix. Spurs are a scary team @ SA.
I would expect Parker to continue to play well because Suns have nobody to guard him. I expect Ginoble to have MONSTER game in game 2. He plays well against Suns. Suns better win game 2 if they want to have a chance at winning this series.
Oh yeah. Suns better pray that Nash continues to shoot lights out! What happens if he has a bad game? Superstars can have off nights. Right? I don't think Suns have a chance at winning if Nash is off. Even if Nash plays well, this team struggled to beat Mavs and didn't beat Spurs at home.
Helps support my pt why home court advantage really isn't that great. Unless it goes 7 games. Game 1 and even game 2 are sorta toss up games. MUCH easier for road team to win game 1 or 2 on road vs winning game 3 or game 4 on road. I think Spurs are happy to have home games for games 3, 4, and 6. Those game are about ?making" adjustments and you already seen what works and doesn't work etc. No more feeling each other out.
If Duncan was healthy, this series is over.
Suns had monster games out of Jim Jackson, Nash, and A. Stuadimire. They still lost at home. Not a good sign! If you have 3 guys playing great at home, you should win. That is what Sonics had against Spurs and they won or competed. Difference is Sonics played better defense and caused matchup problems. Suns are going to have a tough time winning this series if they are not going to play great defense. But we already know Suns are not a great defensive team and they don't have big bodies and depth.
Amare got a lot of his pts on outside shots. He played great and stepped up. But remember, Amare gets majority of his pts with dunks, layups, and free throws. NOT OUTSIDE SHOTS! Wonder if Amare is going to have another monster game shooting outside shots. Spurs want Amare scoring outside shots vs dunks/layups/free throws. If he is making them, nothing Spurs can do. He is a superstar. Tip your hat. That is the difference. Suns could not stop Spurs role players. Spurs did! Look at the 4th quarter! NIGHTMARE FOR SUNS!
Spurs get crucial games 3 and 4 at home and are guaranteed at least a split @Phoenix. Spurs are a scary team @ SA.
I would expect Parker to continue to play well because Suns have nobody to guard him. I expect Ginoble to have MONSTER game in game 2. He plays well against Suns. Suns better win game 2 if they want to have a chance at winning this series.
Oh yeah. Suns better pray that Nash continues to shoot lights out! What happens if he has a bad game? Superstars can have off nights. Right? I don't think Suns have a chance at winning if Nash is off. Even if Nash plays well, this team struggled to beat Mavs and didn't beat Spurs at home.
Helps support my pt why home court advantage really isn't that great. Unless it goes 7 games. Game 1 and even game 2 are sorta toss up games. MUCH easier for road team to win game 1 or 2 on road vs winning game 3 or game 4 on road. I think Spurs are happy to have home games for games 3, 4, and 6. Those game are about ?making" adjustments and you already seen what works and doesn't work etc. No more feeling each other out.
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Scott: You regretted to mention Suns got nothing from Marion. Suns also without JJ. Bowen useless in this series. Suns defense was quite good until 4th, when they melted down secondary to long shots. Game was decided on a bunch of 3's by Barry. Duncan's injury problems have been on the table since the playoffs started. You cannot be this one sided. Yes Spurs have edge, and now they are clear favs, but its not like you called this outcome. According to you, Suns would not be able to get a shot off, and instead they got any shot they wanted, including Nash 7 footers wide open in lane. From my vantage point, Suns did very well down low until 4th, when they were thrown off balance by the 3s. Game came down to a few key plays. Could easily have gone other way. Congrats on the win.
You buried Pacers after Game 1, and that one didnt even come down to a few plays.
You buried Pacers after Game 1, and that one didnt even come down to a few plays.
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And stop with the "Sonics did this and that...". The Sonics flat sucked, threw a bunch of garbage out there. There is no comparison, none, between teh Sonics and the Suns, on either end of the floor. Win, lose, sweep, whatever, that's just ridiculous.
Bombs
I said Spurs role players would play better vs Suns than they did vs Sonics. I said Spurs would have easier time taking ball to basket vs Suns than Sonics. Both were true for game 1.
Sonics got monster games from Rid, Daniels, Allen, and sometimes James. Sonics have big bodies. They didn't beat Spurs in series AND Sonics had games 3, 4, and 6 at home.
Suns got monster game from Nash, Amare, and Jackson. They lost!
Spurs had much easier baskets against Suns today vs Sonics. Duncan played better today with 2 bad ankles than he did against Sonics.
I never said Suns can't win series. I didn't like Suns chances before series started and I like Spurs even more now that they stole game 1. I said I felt Spurs would win at least 1 game @Phoenix. I felt Phoenix needed to win both games 1 and 2 to win series. Just my opinions.
Bowen missed 3 straight wide open 3pt shots in a quarter. Wonder if he is going to do that again? Everyone knows Bown can and will make wide open 3pt shots.
Posters on this board said Barry sucked. Look at him tonight. You say Bown sucks. Wonder what Bown does in game 2?
My money is on Spurs role players because they are not being defended.
I said Spurs role players would play better vs Suns than they did vs Sonics. I said Spurs would have easier time taking ball to basket vs Suns than Sonics. Both were true for game 1.
Sonics got monster games from Rid, Daniels, Allen, and sometimes James. Sonics have big bodies. They didn't beat Spurs in series AND Sonics had games 3, 4, and 6 at home.
Suns got monster game from Nash, Amare, and Jackson. They lost!
Spurs had much easier baskets against Suns today vs Sonics. Duncan played better today with 2 bad ankles than he did against Sonics.
I never said Suns can't win series. I didn't like Suns chances before series started and I like Spurs even more now that they stole game 1. I said I felt Spurs would win at least 1 game @Phoenix. I felt Phoenix needed to win both games 1 and 2 to win series. Just my opinions.
Bowen missed 3 straight wide open 3pt shots in a quarter. Wonder if he is going to do that again? Everyone knows Bown can and will make wide open 3pt shots.
Posters on this board said Barry sucked. Look at him tonight. You say Bown sucks. Wonder what Bown does in game 2?
My money is on Spurs role players because they are not being defended.
Scott:
I did not say Bowen sucks. I am a very objective person. I am not that black/white. What I said was that Bowen's role in this series will be minimized, which I feel it will be. I do not see his role here. They will need continued production from Barry. If they get it, they will win. Nash had an okay game, but missed some easy ones. I wouldn't call it monster. And they got absolutely zero from Marion.
I take shots on longer dogs than you. If you win, I will congratulate you. Never any hard feelings. Just wish at some point you would be a bit more objective and credit other side. I was in same position last year with Pistons over Lakers getting barraged left and right (not by you) and it worked out. This year it might not. But there is still a lot of basketball left and things can happen.
I did not say Bowen sucks. I am a very objective person. I am not that black/white. What I said was that Bowen's role in this series will be minimized, which I feel it will be. I do not see his role here. They will need continued production from Barry. If they get it, they will win. Nash had an okay game, but missed some easy ones. I wouldn't call it monster. And they got absolutely zero from Marion.
I take shots on longer dogs than you. If you win, I will congratulate you. Never any hard feelings. Just wish at some point you would be a bit more objective and credit other side. I was in same position last year with Pistons over Lakers getting barraged left and right (not by you) and it worked out. This year it might not. But there is still a lot of basketball left and things can happen.
no kidding.....one game does not a series make....joe johnson returning will be HUGE for phx (hopefully in game 2), means that barbosa wont have to play much (would love to see this guy's +/- when in the game)...there's a reason the suns dont close quarters out....nash is on the bench and barbosa is in the game!!!!!!!!!!
scott....if you capped the series and thought the spurs role players would play huge, great.....i will guarantee that you didn't include brent barry in that mix....the guy has been a zero.....he didn't even start today, that's how much of a zero he has become.....bowen is a role player...and he was a zero.....muhammod is a role player and he was average...udrih is a role player and he was a zero....horry was a role player and he was effective.....basically this game was even...sa held a small lead throughout the first half...phx held a small lead throughout the 3rd quarter...the teams were even for the first 5 mins of the 4th....then sa never had an empty possession at the end of the game with berry not missing............
i dont think phx played very well (nash was very good but not amazing, while marion was a zero) sa played excellent on offense.....i expect a 6-7 game series and i expected both teams to win on the road....hopefully this is sa last road win!!!!!!!!!!
scott....if you capped the series and thought the spurs role players would play huge, great.....i will guarantee that you didn't include brent barry in that mix....the guy has been a zero.....he didn't even start today, that's how much of a zero he has become.....bowen is a role player...and he was a zero.....muhammod is a role player and he was average...udrih is a role player and he was a zero....horry was a role player and he was effective.....basically this game was even...sa held a small lead throughout the first half...phx held a small lead throughout the 3rd quarter...the teams were even for the first 5 mins of the 4th....then sa never had an empty possession at the end of the game with berry not missing............
i dont think phx played very well (nash was very good but not amazing, while marion was a zero) sa played excellent on offense.....i expect a 6-7 game series and i expected both teams to win on the road....hopefully this is sa last road win!!!!!!!!!!
One game does not make a series, but this one is going to be a real uphill battle for the Suns. Spurs are the best team in the NBA, and they prove it everytime they take the court. Historically, great defensive teams beat great scorers in a 7 game series.
Also, Spurs do not lose often at home. So, winning game 1 at Phoenix means more in this series than others.
Stoudemire had another monster game, but his team lost. Tim Duncan hasn't played his A-game since he twisted his ankle, but the Spurs continue to win.
Not saying it's over, but the Spurs have to really shoot themselves in the foot to lose this one. If they win game 2 in Phoenix, they will sweep.
Also, Spurs do not lose often at home. So, winning game 1 at Phoenix means more in this series than others.
Stoudemire had another monster game, but his team lost. Tim Duncan hasn't played his A-game since he twisted his ankle, but the Spurs continue to win.
Not saying it's over, but the Spurs have to really shoot themselves in the foot to lose this one. If they win game 2 in Phoenix, they will sweep.
AU2001
Well said and I agree. Spurs are fantastic home team and winning game 1 is huge. Splitting at Phoenix was huge for Spurs. Remember, Spurs will not lose focus against Suns.
gjn23
Joe Johnson coming back may be great but won't it take away some playing time for J. Jackson? J. Jackson has been a STUD. Not sure I want to take away any minutes from him. Johnson is great player and produced in 1st round playoffs but him coming back might not be all great. Plus he might be rusty and coming back from small layoff/injury against Spurs isn't the easiest thing to do.
Thats exactly what I said prior to series starting and after game 1. I said Spurs role players will be getting open shots that they did not get in the Sonics series. I said Sonics played tough defense and caused Spurs matchup problems. Berry pretty much had NO role in Sonic series. Everyone knows Berry can make open shots. Not a surprise. Berry has difficult time making shots with man in his face.
I express and am confident in my opinions. Doesn't mean my opinions are facts or always right. Game 1 went pretty much the way I think the series will go. Berry prob. will not be so great but Ginoble prob. will be more productive. BUt I do think Berry will continue to make open shots. So Suns might defend Berry closer and Ginoble will have more open space. Suns must choose there poison. Leaving Berry wide open is not a good idea. Berry sucked against Sonics but he was not repeatedly left wide open.
Bombs
Sorry I misquoted you saying Bowen sucks. I was in hurry leaving and wanted to quickly post.
Bowen missed 3 WIDE OPEN 3pt shots in a row. OPEN SHOTS ARE OPEN SHOTS! Bowen IMO is a very good 3pt shooter from the side. He usually makes them if he is open. Today he missed 3 wide open shots. I am willing to bet he will be productive if he gets 3 wide open 3pt shots again. Look at what he did against Sonics behind the arc in couple games. He will make them if he is open. Suns gambled and left him open 3 times and it paid off. Will it pay off in game 2? I bet Bown makes them! Bowen did make couple FG's in the game.
I expect Marion to have better games but I also expect Ginoble to have a better games. Barry will make open shots so if he is left open, he will make them. He is good at making open shots. That is why he is on the team.
Nash played very good and he surprised me. He was able to get open shots and make them. Of course he missed a few but Spurs did have hand in his face few times. Not like Mavs. But Nash was still able to get open shots which really surprised me. But he had very good game IMO.
What about Jim Jackson making EVERYTHING! Geez. That guy shot lights out and IMO was the reason Suns won if they did pull it out. They guy is a stud. Not sure he can keep carrying the Suns. Even if he does, Suns still lost to Spurs and still had tough time competing with Mavs.
Duncan started game 1-6 shooting. Lets see if he does that again! That 10pt 1h lead might have been 17pts if Duncan started off hot.
Spurs did not play GREAT. They played good and Suns played good. Spurs are better team. The thing that strikes me is can Suns get great games from Jackson, Nash and Staudimire again? If so, that still might no be enough to win. Ginoble is due for huge game and he killed the Suns all year. Parker killed the suns all year. Duncan killed the suns all year. Spurs role players can and will make open shots. ESPECIALLY in San Antonio!!!
Will Amare still shoot great from outside? He is not a good consistent outside paint shooter. Will Nash have an off night? Marion will play better but will Jackson still shoot lights out?
You know who else I think can have huge series if he does play? Robinson. He is awesome offensive player and he will make open shots on consistent basis. He did not get open shots against Sonics and was worthless in series (like Barry) but I am positive he will get them against Suns. Not sure why he didn't play but if he does, I think he can come up huge. He also is not as bad on defense as everyone thinks. Anybody who thinks he misses open shots is kidding themselves. Robinson has great offensive talent. Maybe he gets playing time if Spurs get in foul trouble. Just another weapon for Spurs who "can" step up. He easily could have a Barry type game. If he sucks, Pop can always yank him but against Suns you can't afford bad stretches so maybe thats why he did not play in game 1.
BTW, only player I hate is that Spurs backup PG Urich (however u spell it). The guy sucks. Hate him. He is a major f*** up. But you have to play him because he is 2nd string pg.
Well said and I agree. Spurs are fantastic home team and winning game 1 is huge. Splitting at Phoenix was huge for Spurs. Remember, Spurs will not lose focus against Suns.
gjn23
Joe Johnson coming back may be great but won't it take away some playing time for J. Jackson? J. Jackson has been a STUD. Not sure I want to take away any minutes from him. Johnson is great player and produced in 1st round playoffs but him coming back might not be all great. Plus he might be rusty and coming back from small layoff/injury against Spurs isn't the easiest thing to do.
Thats exactly what I said prior to series starting and after game 1. I said Spurs role players will be getting open shots that they did not get in the Sonics series. I said Sonics played tough defense and caused Spurs matchup problems. Berry pretty much had NO role in Sonic series. Everyone knows Berry can make open shots. Not a surprise. Berry has difficult time making shots with man in his face.
I express and am confident in my opinions. Doesn't mean my opinions are facts or always right. Game 1 went pretty much the way I think the series will go. Berry prob. will not be so great but Ginoble prob. will be more productive. BUt I do think Berry will continue to make open shots. So Suns might defend Berry closer and Ginoble will have more open space. Suns must choose there poison. Leaving Berry wide open is not a good idea. Berry sucked against Sonics but he was not repeatedly left wide open.
Bombs
Sorry I misquoted you saying Bowen sucks. I was in hurry leaving and wanted to quickly post.
Bowen missed 3 WIDE OPEN 3pt shots in a row. OPEN SHOTS ARE OPEN SHOTS! Bowen IMO is a very good 3pt shooter from the side. He usually makes them if he is open. Today he missed 3 wide open shots. I am willing to bet he will be productive if he gets 3 wide open 3pt shots again. Look at what he did against Sonics behind the arc in couple games. He will make them if he is open. Suns gambled and left him open 3 times and it paid off. Will it pay off in game 2? I bet Bown makes them! Bowen did make couple FG's in the game.
I expect Marion to have better games but I also expect Ginoble to have a better games. Barry will make open shots so if he is left open, he will make them. He is good at making open shots. That is why he is on the team.
Nash played very good and he surprised me. He was able to get open shots and make them. Of course he missed a few but Spurs did have hand in his face few times. Not like Mavs. But Nash was still able to get open shots which really surprised me. But he had very good game IMO.
What about Jim Jackson making EVERYTHING! Geez. That guy shot lights out and IMO was the reason Suns won if they did pull it out. They guy is a stud. Not sure he can keep carrying the Suns. Even if he does, Suns still lost to Spurs and still had tough time competing with Mavs.
Duncan started game 1-6 shooting. Lets see if he does that again! That 10pt 1h lead might have been 17pts if Duncan started off hot.
Spurs did not play GREAT. They played good and Suns played good. Spurs are better team. The thing that strikes me is can Suns get great games from Jackson, Nash and Staudimire again? If so, that still might no be enough to win. Ginoble is due for huge game and he killed the Suns all year. Parker killed the suns all year. Duncan killed the suns all year. Spurs role players can and will make open shots. ESPECIALLY in San Antonio!!!
Will Amare still shoot great from outside? He is not a good consistent outside paint shooter. Will Nash have an off night? Marion will play better but will Jackson still shoot lights out?
You know who else I think can have huge series if he does play? Robinson. He is awesome offensive player and he will make open shots on consistent basis. He did not get open shots against Sonics and was worthless in series (like Barry) but I am positive he will get them against Suns. Not sure why he didn't play but if he does, I think he can come up huge. He also is not as bad on defense as everyone thinks. Anybody who thinks he misses open shots is kidding themselves. Robinson has great offensive talent. Maybe he gets playing time if Spurs get in foul trouble. Just another weapon for Spurs who "can" step up. He easily could have a Barry type game. If he sucks, Pop can always yank him but against Suns you can't afford bad stretches so maybe thats why he did not play in game 1.
BTW, only player I hate is that Spurs backup PG Urich (however u spell it). The guy sucks. Hate him. He is a major f*** up. But you have to play him because he is 2nd string pg.
scott:
it's hilarious how you see things only from your perspective........joe johnson wont be that big of a factor...but big dog will be?.....that is a joke.....as for jimmy jackson, making everything and the game of his life???? he shot 50% from the floor and scored a whopping total of 20 points (on the suns, who play 6 people, thats about average)...steve nash playing great....he played very, very well, but great would be how he played vs mavs...and he didn't play that way yesterday.....
again, this was an even game until the 4 min mark.....all this talk of domination and the series being over and sa being clearly superior is a bit premature.....as far sa being tough at home, true, but phx is the best road team in the nba
it's hilarious how you see things only from your perspective........joe johnson wont be that big of a factor...but big dog will be?.....that is a joke.....as for jimmy jackson, making everything and the game of his life???? he shot 50% from the floor and scored a whopping total of 20 points (on the suns, who play 6 people, thats about average)...steve nash playing great....he played very, very well, but great would be how he played vs mavs...and he didn't play that way yesterday.....
again, this was an even game until the 4 min mark.....all this talk of domination and the series being over and sa being clearly superior is a bit premature.....as far sa being tough at home, true, but phx is the best road team in the nba
I hope you like well done steak because Phoenix is done... No pink center for these guys. I can't see S.A. losing to this team in a seven game series. Especially after they took the first game in Phoenix with Tim Duncan playing at 50%. Manu is playing at an incredible level, and Parker has stepped up his game as well.
Nash is tough. But he will have problems staying in front of Parker on defense. Too quick for the silky Canadian. Parker and Manu will continue to get in the lane which will create open shots for everyone else. I see PNX winning the next game... But cant see them taking one in S.A.
We shall see...S.A in five or six my prediction...
Nash is tough. But he will have problems staying in front of Parker on defense. Too quick for the silky Canadian. Parker and Manu will continue to get in the lane which will create open shots for everyone else. I see PNX winning the next game... But cant see them taking one in S.A.
We shall see...S.A in five or six my prediction...
