Anybody besides me watch that interview on 60 minutes tonight and think that Jose, as shady as he is, is telling the truth? I, for one, have thought for a long time that certain players have been juicing for a long time. It's just unfortunate that someone with the credibility of Canseco brings it out and names names. Anyway, go Red Sox!
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Didn't see it, wish I did. I just can't get out of my head how Ken Caminitti came out and said this was a huge problem a few years ago, and everyone called him crazy and said he had no credibility. Looks like he was right.
George Foster was the last legitimate 50 homerun hitter.That used to be a very tough threshold to cross until the past 10 years or so by todays juice generation.The records posted by McGuire,Bonds,and I'll include Sosa (even though the only "evidence"so far for him is his huge increase in muscles and then coincidentally his stats) all should be erased from baseballs record books.They are cheaters,one and all.
edludes said:
Wish you were right Ed.
Baseball, esp the current commish, will never slap itself in the face and do that.
$$ up
New parks everywhere
Possible expansion in other markets
The puppet is making the owners happy.
Great points, everyone. I agree with IO about how the owners have turned a blind eye to this problem because the long balls by these juiced players are what is filling up their stadiums with fans, upping their revenues. Meanwhile, the integrity of the product they sell has fallen by the wayside. Now, it appears this thing is coming around 360 degrees to hit them in the face.
There is no doubt in my mind that Sosa is probably the biggest juicer out of the whole bunch. Only thing is, he didn't break Maris's record, and he doesn't play for a championship team like Sheffield and Giambi, so he has flown under the radar. Look at his 1990 rookie baseball cards, he doesn't even look like the same person. And I won't even start about his gigantic sloped forehead...
I think Griffey, Jr. hit 50 hr's with no help from roids. Maybe that's why he has had such a problem with injuries, because he had no human growth hormone to help his body recover???
There is no doubt in my mind that Sosa is probably the biggest juicer out of the whole bunch. Only thing is, he didn't break Maris's record, and he doesn't play for a championship team like Sheffield and Giambi, so he has flown under the radar. Look at his 1990 rookie baseball cards, he doesn't even look like the same person. And I won't even start about his gigantic sloped forehead...
I think Griffey, Jr. hit 50 hr's with no help from roids. Maybe that's why he has had such a problem with injuries, because he had no human growth hormone to help his body recover???
Reason McGuire is denying it so strongly is he sees his records
going down the toilet.
Forget the roids, bring in the fences.
Remember when Sosa told the reporters he was willing to get tested and they said OK lets go right now, and Sosa had one
of them roid temper tantrums.
Barry Bonds is the big fish though. He is the one with the most to lose in my opinion.
It aint pretty.
going down the toilet.
Forget the roids, bring in the fences.
Remember when Sosa told the reporters he was willing to get tested and they said OK lets go right now, and Sosa had one
of them roid temper tantrums.
Barry Bonds is the big fish though. He is the one with the most to lose in my opinion.
It aint pretty.
steroid list = bonds mcguire sosa boone giambi
throw all the stats out as long as bonds doesnt get a ring i will live a wonderful life
bonds career :sadwave: ring :sadwave:
me :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
throw all the stats out as long as bonds doesnt get a ring i will live a wonderful life
bonds career :sadwave: ring :sadwave:
me :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
"If you look at his track record and what he has done the last five or six years, you shouldn't be surprised he'd do this type of thing."
--Jose Canseco's former teammate Terry Steinbach, commenting on Canseco's steroid allegations (Contra Costa Times)
"I never saw syringes. I never saw guys shooting up. I was lifting like all our team was. If you assume what Jose says is true, there must have been syringes and bottles all over. I never saw it. I don't know where Jose is coming from."
--Steinbach
"Doesn't he have any respect for his teammates, for the game, respect for anybody? He's defaming the game. Wasn't there anybody in baseball who made a difference in his life?"
--Steinbach
"Mark wasn't one of those guys who all of a sudden one offseason got so big you couldn't recognize him, like they say about steroid users. He was in the gym regularly. Jose? No, at least not in the gym at the Coliseum or the gyms set up for us on the road. [After 1988], all of a sudden, he didn't do the extra work in the outfield, and it showed. It frustrated us as teammates. It was frustrating that 24 guys marched to the same beat and Jose didn't."
--Steinbach (San Francisco Chronicle)
"I've seen [McGwire's] workouts and I've seen what he went through. I shake my head at Jose taking a personal thing and...making excuses for himself by demeaning someone else. It reminds me of when he was trying to come back with Montreal and he got cut. He claimed baseball was trying to blackball him. This was a time when baseball was looking for players all over the place, and they're blackballing Jose?"
--Canseco's former manager Tony La Russa (St. Louis Post-Dispatch)
"The biggest key for McGwire is that all of his strength and size gains came from five or six days a week of hitting the gym with a very disciplined workout, his protein intake and careful dieting. He was probably in the gym 10 times more than Jose, and Jose was bigger."
--La Russa
"The more sensational the actions, obviously the better chance he has to recover some of his money. My guess is that he's in dire straits for finances. And it's almost a human condition that he's probably jealous as hell of Mark--that Mark's kept his life together instead of what Jose did to himself. I think it's a matter of needing money and being jealous."
--La Russa
"Jose Canseco is an embarrassment to baseball and an embarrassment to his family. He's become nothing more than a caricature, and he's just giving a better example of it by bringing the President into this and by trying to expose well-respected players who don't deserve this."
--Texas Rangers color analyst Tom Grieve, on Canseco's steroid allegations (Fort-Worth Star Telegram)
"You've got a guy who has squandered a fortune, his personal life is an embarrassment and he probably has no way to earn an honest living. He's a joke."
--Grieve
"I might have had some suspicions about [him] based on his background. He was a lower-level draft pick out of high school. In retrospect, I'm convinced he would have been nothing more than a marginal utility outfielder if he had not used steroids."
--Grieve (Dallas Morning News)
"Look, I haven't read Jose's book, but I already know that putting his words next to 'Ball Four' will be like comparing Olivier as Hamlet to Patrick Swayze in Road House."
--Jim Bouton, on how he feels about Canseco's book being compared to Ball Four (Tampa Tribune)
"He's a known jerk who didn't take a note in his life, I'm sure. He had a chance to say something while he was playing. I wrote while I was playing ball. If he had something to say, say it then."
--Bouton
--Jose Canseco's former teammate Terry Steinbach, commenting on Canseco's steroid allegations (Contra Costa Times)
"I never saw syringes. I never saw guys shooting up. I was lifting like all our team was. If you assume what Jose says is true, there must have been syringes and bottles all over. I never saw it. I don't know where Jose is coming from."
--Steinbach
"Doesn't he have any respect for his teammates, for the game, respect for anybody? He's defaming the game. Wasn't there anybody in baseball who made a difference in his life?"
--Steinbach
"Mark wasn't one of those guys who all of a sudden one offseason got so big you couldn't recognize him, like they say about steroid users. He was in the gym regularly. Jose? No, at least not in the gym at the Coliseum or the gyms set up for us on the road. [After 1988], all of a sudden, he didn't do the extra work in the outfield, and it showed. It frustrated us as teammates. It was frustrating that 24 guys marched to the same beat and Jose didn't."
--Steinbach (San Francisco Chronicle)
"I've seen [McGwire's] workouts and I've seen what he went through. I shake my head at Jose taking a personal thing and...making excuses for himself by demeaning someone else. It reminds me of when he was trying to come back with Montreal and he got cut. He claimed baseball was trying to blackball him. This was a time when baseball was looking for players all over the place, and they're blackballing Jose?"
--Canseco's former manager Tony La Russa (St. Louis Post-Dispatch)
"The biggest key for McGwire is that all of his strength and size gains came from five or six days a week of hitting the gym with a very disciplined workout, his protein intake and careful dieting. He was probably in the gym 10 times more than Jose, and Jose was bigger."
--La Russa
"The more sensational the actions, obviously the better chance he has to recover some of his money. My guess is that he's in dire straits for finances. And it's almost a human condition that he's probably jealous as hell of Mark--that Mark's kept his life together instead of what Jose did to himself. I think it's a matter of needing money and being jealous."
--La Russa
"Jose Canseco is an embarrassment to baseball and an embarrassment to his family. He's become nothing more than a caricature, and he's just giving a better example of it by bringing the President into this and by trying to expose well-respected players who don't deserve this."
--Texas Rangers color analyst Tom Grieve, on Canseco's steroid allegations (Fort-Worth Star Telegram)
"You've got a guy who has squandered a fortune, his personal life is an embarrassment and he probably has no way to earn an honest living. He's a joke."
--Grieve
"I might have had some suspicions about [him] based on his background. He was a lower-level draft pick out of high school. In retrospect, I'm convinced he would have been nothing more than a marginal utility outfielder if he had not used steroids."
--Grieve (Dallas Morning News)
"Look, I haven't read Jose's book, but I already know that putting his words next to 'Ball Four' will be like comparing Olivier as Hamlet to Patrick Swayze in Road House."
--Jim Bouton, on how he feels about Canseco's book being compared to Ball Four (Tampa Tribune)
"He's a known jerk who didn't take a note in his life, I'm sure. He had a chance to say something while he was playing. I wrote while I was playing ball. If he had something to say, say it then."
--Bouton
blah blah blah
those guys are as credible as Eddie Haskill
steroids run rampant the evidence is overwhelming
even Ray Charles can see this
those guys are as credible as Eddie Haskill
steroids run rampant the evidence is overwhelming
even Ray Charles can see this
Scott-Atlanta said:
:yup
I think the reporter (SI) had a limo waiting outside and a clinic on the ready. Sosa had a shit attack.
In a related story....
Let us not forget Psycho Sheffield at the beginning of the year, screaming at anyone who'd listen (esp Dan Patrick) that he wasn't juicing and was also willing to be tested anytime, anywhere. Only to admit later in the season that he had juiced.
Heard something off local radio that I think is very applicable. Most of the players in baseball, whether they were users or not, deserve as much of the blame for all of this (if not MORE), since many knew what was going on. They let it get started and continue. Too late did a rise against the users kick in.
FBI agent tells paper he alerted MLB of steroid use
FBI agent tells paper he alerted MLB of steroid use
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/8197833
FBI agent tells paper he alerted MLB of steroid use
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/8197833
the bottom line is half the players in the show have done juice at one time in their career. i played d-1 ball and rookie ball and it was always there for us. it was no secret but just something not to talk about. i think what giambi is doing is better than the rest. he will have 1 season to show the world if he can really play the game. all these other guys have so much to lose so i cant see them ever coming clean. but if you go back and look at each player and how they developed over the years it is so obvious.
but then again who really cares, it is what it is. the fans love watching the game and the game has definitely gotten better over the years.
but then again who really cares, it is what it is. the fans love watching the game and the game has definitely gotten better over the years.
The game may have gotten better, but it is not fair to use an illegal drug or substance to break records that were set by players who didn't break the rules and cheat.
AU2001 said:
Good stuff!
Think it improves constantly and would have anyways. There are many not using the stuff and excelling regardless.
