Catholics vs. Creminoles III

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I'm just going to post some articles as I will be following what the coaches and players say during the week. Willingham won't say anything, but I'm more interested in finding out what FlaState's players and ND's players have to say

Air Force left with no option

October 21, 2002

BY JOHN JACKSON STAFF REPORTER

A few days before Notre Dame and Air Force squared off Saturday night in a battle of college football unbeatens, Air Force quarterback Chance Harridge discussed how his team's triple-option offense can break down a defense's resolve by continually picking up chucks of yardage on the ground.

''That's the beauty of the options offense; it's an attacking offense,'' Harridge said. ''To see the defeat in their eyes, it's a great feeling.''

Harridge, no doubt, wasn't feeling too great late Saturday night after the Notre Dame defense dismantled the heralded Air Force offense in a 21-14 victory before an overflow record crowd of 56,409 at Falcon Stadium.

To be sure, if anybody saw the look of defeat in the opponent's eyes, it was the Irish defensive players after holding the Falcons--who entered the game leading the nation in rushing with an average of 339.2 yards--to 104 net rushing yards on 38 carries, an average of 2.7 yards.

''We always talk about inflicting our will on the other team,'' said Irish cornerback Shane Walton, who had an interception to bring his season total to six. ''We're not going to quit. We're going to give you four quarters of football. No one's going to discourage us.''

Certainly not Harridge, who was held to 31 yards on 13 carries, an average of 2.4 yards, and one touchdown. The junior quarterback was just 6-of-14 passing for 57 yards.

"They diagnosed our option well,'' Air Force coach Fisher DeBerry said.

With the win, Notre Dame (7-0) jumped up a spot to No. 6 in both the Associated Press writers' poll and the ESPN/USA Today coaches' poll. Its the Irish's highest ranking since they were sixth at the start of the 1996 season.

Actually, the final score didn't do justice to Notre Dame's dominance. Both touchdowns by Air Force (6-1) were the result of Irish turnovers deep in their own end.

In the first quarter, Irish quarterback Carlyle Holiday fumbled, and linebacker Marchello Graddy scooped the ball out of the air and returned it 21 yards for a touchdown and a 7-0 lead.

Then, on the kickoff to start the second half, Vontez Duff was stripped of the ball, and Air Force recovered at the Irish 16-yard line. Six plays later, Harridge scored on a one-yard run for a 14-14 tie.

After that drive, the Falcons' offense didn't cross into Notre Dame territory the rest of the game.

The option is based on misdirection and finding seams in the defense, but at times, it seemed as though the Irish had 15 defenders on the field because there were two or more players swarming to the ball no matter what option Harridge attempted.

Notre Dame coach Tyrone Willingham credited his players with a great effort, but the players quickly credited the defensive coaches.

''They're a Pac-10 staff. They never played the option, but they had us prepared,'' Walton said. ''There wasn't anything we didn't see in practice. I think you also have to give credit to the scout team. [Fourth-string quarterback Matt] Krueger, he ran that option just as good as Chance Harridge.''

Notre Dame's dominance wasn't limited to defense. Aside from the fumble that led to the first Air Force score, the Irish offense had perhaps its best effort of the season with 447 total yards, including 335 rushing yards on 56 attempts, an average of nearly six yards.

''Last week against Pitt, we really felt we were physically dominated up front a little bit,'' said Holiday, who had two rushing touchdowns, including a 53-yarder. ''We came out and tried to use our size to dominate the line of scrimmage, and I think we did that.''

Running back Ryan Grant was the main beneficiary of the job by the offensive line with a career-high 190 yards on 30 carries.

''I could pick where I wanted to run,'' Grant said, ''and I just tried to run as hard as possible.''

Notre Dame was so impressive that it seemed almost comical that Air Force was a three-point favorite.

''I'm not sure who paid attention from a team standpoint of being an underdog or not,'' Willingham said. ''But what I guess I'm excited about with this group of young men is they love to compete. If I had to say anything about them, I'd say they are competitors.

''It doesn't matter what someone says one way or the other. They like to come in and play football.''
 

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Seminoles shift goals for season


By Bob Thomas
Times-Union sports writer

TALLAHASSEE -- A new season with new goals. That's the only way No.11 Florida State can approach the second half of the season following a 28-27 loss at Miami on Oct. 12, which dashed its national championship aspirations.

Establishing new goals, however, won't be a problem for the Seminoles. And they won't have to wait long to get started on them.

"You can't think about what might have been," senior offensive tackle Brett Williams said. "You've got to look ahead. We've still got a lot to play for."

Saturday's visit from Notre Dame, one of eight unbeaten Division I-A teams and ranked third in the initial Bowl Championship Series poll, provides FSU with an opportunity to prove it belongs among the nation's elite programs. The Seminoles are 12th in the BCS poll, tops among two-loss teams.

"This game is our season," junior linebacker Kendyll Pope said. "If we win this game here we can be back in the top 10 at the end of next week. If we lose this game, we're a long way out. We're headed for another Gator Bowl or another bowl game like that."

Pope's bowl analysis may be off the mark -- an Atlantic Coast Conference title guarantees the 'Noles a BCS bowl berth -- but his perspective on the significance of a win over the Irish is on the money.

FSU becomes bowl-eligible with a win over Notre Dame, but more importantly gets an emotional lift as it sets its sights on running the table to a 12-2 finish. Only one other BCS conference school -- Florida in '95 -- has won 12 games in a season and not won the national championship.

"We know these guys [Notre Dame] are undefeated and ranked ahead of us," Williams added. "We know we've only got one other team -- N.C. State -- that's ranked ahead of us. If we want to make a BCS bowl this is where it starts. We've got to win out and we've got to win convincingly."

FSU coach Bobby Bowden believes his team learned an important lesson at Miami.

"I thought the one thing that did come out of the game, we didn't win, but we thought we were just as good as they were," Bowden said.

Many of the Seminoles used last weekend's open date as a final chance to get home and recharge their batteries for the stretch run. Others would have rather played to rid themselves of the bitter taste from the Miami loss.

"Still, we've got to put that revenge on somebody," Pope said. "That's the thing here at Florida State. If we lose the week before, somebody's got to pay for that loss and Notre Dame's going to have to pay."

FSU is an early 10-point favorite, but after losing four in a row and five of its last six games against top 10 opponents, the Seminoles still believe they have to regain a measure of respect nationally.

"We've got to gain our national respect back, because people are not fearing that spear on the helmet anymore," Pope said. "That's the thing. We've got to knock that fear back into people when they come to Doak Campbell."

NOTES -- ESPN's College Gameday show will originate from Doak Campbell Stadium, though the game will be televised at noon on ABC. ... Sophomore receiver P.K. Sam, hobbled by a hamstring strain, may play Saturday.
 

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Greg Jones
Running Back | #6 | Junior | Roster

Age: 21
Height: 6-1
Weight: 248 lbs. he outweighs every ND linebacker
Hometown: Beaufort, SC

Totals Rushing Receiving
SEASON RECORD ATT YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
2002 5-2 139 822 5.9 8 6 49 8.2 0
2001 - 134 745 5.6 6 3 11 3.7 0

2002 Game Log Rushing Receiving
DATE & OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
8/24 @Iowa St Win 38-31 22 113 5.1 1 3 30 10.0 0
8/31 Virginia Win 40-19 21 173 8.2 2 1 14 14.0 0
9/14 @Maryland Win 37-10 21 106 5.0 1 0 0 0.0 0
9/21 Duke Win 48-17 9 44 4.9 0 1 5 5.0 0
9/26 @Louisville Loss 26-20 (OT) 13 32 2.5 0 1 0 0.0 0
10/3 Clemson Win 48-31 22 165 7.5 3 0 0 0.0 0
10/12 @Miami Loss 28-27 31 189 6.1 1 0 0 0.0

Jones has been unstoppable this year save for the Louisville game in the mud. The Cardinals were able to stack 9 in the box as they had no fear of the Seminoles throwing in the rain when they came out in their standard I-formation. The Seminoles were able to run out of the shotgun when the Cards would back up their backers, but Nick Maddox got those carries (7 attempts for 59 yards). The matchup of Jones and the Seminole offensive line against the ND front is the key to this matchup. I just don't think that the Irish will be able to stop him. However, the FlaState coaching staff could do damage to the Seminoles chances of covering this spread.
 

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I remember the last time ND beat the criminals, we lost the following week to Boston College, talk about going from a high to a low in life.:mad: Well BC is on the schedule next week. :eek: I think this may even be a good moneyline bet as ND could pull this off and Florida St. may be a little overrated. To bad they lost to MIami, ND would be an even bigger underdog. I love this spot , I'll take the 10 and throw a few bucks on the ML. Good Luck
 

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think about it...#12 fsu goes to miami(a fierce rival) and they get
14'...now..2 weeks later..the #6 team in the nation comes into town and we
are all of the sudden 10 pt. fav's?? that is a 24' pt. swing my
friend...vegas is BEGGING for nd money here...in my humble opinion.


Save your cash...

Noles 35
ND 10
 

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Miami loss unites FSU

By Josh Robbins
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Posted October 23 2002

TALLAHASSEE -- Don't mention the phrase "moral victory" around Florida State Coach Bobby Bowden. He hasn't amassed 328 career wins by preaching the value of "good losses" to his teams."A moral victory don't mean nothing to me," Bowden said. "I'd rather have an ugly win than a beautiful loss. A loss is a loss."All losses are not created equal, however, for Bowden's current crew.Not after last year's four-loss season and a surprise defeat at Louisville last month.Consider the reaction from Florida State players after a heartbreaking 28-27 loss to Miami a week ago Saturday. The Seminoles sat silently in their Orange Bowl locker room after their last-second field goal attempt to win the game sailed wide left.Days later the players showed signs that their swagger -- the "our team is better than yours" attitude many of them love to talk about -- had returned."We've just got to be happy with the way that we performed," linebacker Kendyll Pope said. "Now, everybody's looking at us like, 'Florida State, hey, that maybe was their turnaround game and they might be for real now.' "Florida State outrushed Miami 296 yards to 115. That's a sign, players believe, that they controlled both lines of scrimmage."We dominated them," FSU offensive lineman Brett Williams said. "We knew if we play them again, we'd beat them convincingly. We have that much confidence that we're better than them. Just the way it turned out, I guess it wasn't meant to be."Their front seven the whole game, they just had a look in their eye like they were just scared. They wouldn't look us in the eye when we walked up to the line. They'd just keep their head down. So, we were feeding off that. We could tell they were intimidated."Florida State players haven't displayed that kind of confidence -- or togetherness, some say -- since the their loss to Oklahoma in the 2001 Orange Bowl.The day before the Miami game, the Seminoles' offensive linemen called a team meeting at their hotel. Brett Williams spoke. So did guard Todd Williams. So did cornerback Stanford Samuels."Something happened before the game that really brought us together," defensive tackle Jeff Womble said. "We decided that we wanted to be a team and we wanted to get back together as a group."Older players sent a message to the team's younger players, especially the ones in the defensive backfield, where the Seminoles have struggled all season."A lot of the guys have so much ability, but they have no confidence," Brett Williams said. "We could see that all year long. They'd just come off the field with their head down just not believing in themselves."We told anybody if they had any problems with anybody on the team to stand up right now and just get it out so we could go out there tomorrow and not have any grudges towards one another and just be a unit."Mission accomplished."It was the first time I think in two years where actually I felt like [we were] a team," Williams said. "Maybe in three years. I don't even think in 2000 we played as a team. We just out-talented everybody. It was the first time in a while where I felt we came together."The offense rooted for the defense. The defense rooted for the offense. It may not seem like much, but it marked progress for Florida State."Before, it seemed like we were a little separated," guard Montrae Holland said. "But now it feels like we're a team. . . . It won't stop of the for the rest of the season. Once you get that trust factor with everybody, it's all fun then."With two losses, the 11th-ranked Seminoles have all but abandoned their hopes of playing for the national championship.They sit atop the Atlantic Coast Conference standings. By winning their four remaining ACC games, the Seminoles (5-2, 4-0) would win the conference title outright and advance to a Bowl Championship Series game."We should beat everybody," quarterback Chris Rix said. "Showing how we played [against Miami], if we play like that, we will win out and that's our only goal now."Pope added: "We're going to win out the rest of the year and probably end up 12-2. That'll be good. A 12-win season ain't bad at all."Florida State enters the second half of its season this Saturday with a home game against undefeated Notre Dame.Last year, Notre Dame struggled to a 5-6 record. Now, with a new coach, Tyrone Willingham, sixth-ranked Irish (7-0) are in the national title hunt.Because of its importance and Notre Dame's national appeal, the FSU-Irish matchup promises to be the marquee game of the weekend in college football. ESPN's College GameDay crew will make the trek to Tallahassee to broadcast from inside Doak Campbell Stadium."It couldn't get better for us," Pope said. "We've got Notre Dame coming in [and] N.C. State. We've still got to play Florida. We've still got some good teams on our schedule. That could show people that we're still capable of being the old Florida State."That is the message FSU players want to send: Their program isn't down and out yet. Perhaps the players themselves had their own doubts before the Miami game, but not anymore."There's no reason for them to go out these next games and not play with a lot of confidence, which we might have been lacking just a strain of," Bowden said.So, was the Miami loss a moral victory?Maybe not. Long-struggling teams are the ones that crow about moral victories.But was it a morale victory?Definitely.
 

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Irish turnaround impresses Bowden

By Rick Jones
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Posted October 23 2002
PRACTICE REPORT: Florida State held a two-hour workout and continued preparations for Notre Dame. The Seminoles concluded the workout with an 11-on-11 scrimmage."We got through the day without anybody getting hurt," Bobby Bowden said. "The kids have worked hard. Had a pretty tough scrimmage." . . . Bowden is very impressed with the turnaround orchestrated by first-year coach Tyrone Willingham this season in South Bend.For the Irish, who start 15 seniors and six juniors, experience is the key, Bowden explained."No. 1, you have most of your kids back," Bowden said. "Then they're nearly all seniors. One year can make a lot of difference in players. The maturity of their football team is very obvious. They're never out of position. They play hard, and they know what they're doing."Bowden also credited Willingham, the first Notre Dame head coach to start 7-0 since Ara Parseghian's debut in 1964."He has really been the answer in there," Bowden said of Willingham.INJURIES: WR P.K. Sam (hamstring) did not practice and is listed as doubtful. FB Torrance Washington (groin) "got some work in today but was limited," said Bowden, and is listed as questionable. DE Eric Moore (appendectomy) is out.

ETC.: The Seminoles' offensive line faces another stiff test against Notre Dame. The Irish rank sixth in the nation against the run, allowing 80 yards a game, and have allowed only two teams more than 100 yards on the ground. Air Force, which went into its game against Notre Dame leading the nation with a 339-yard rushing average, was held to 104 yards in a 21-14 defeat.The Seminoles rank 15th in the nation in rushing offense, averaging 230 yards a game.Bowden expects the Irish to put on emphasis on stopping RB Greg Jones, who had a career-high 189 yards versus Miami."I think that's what most people will do. I think most people would like to get up there and stop him and see what your quarterback can do," Bowden said. . QUOTE: "In his case, it is a big back with speed and that's a dangerous combination. That's the kind of player that everyone wished they had." -- Willingham on Jones.
 

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Good info in this thread, BBC. The game so far isn't dipping to 9', seems to have much support at 10 and can find 10 1/2's out there. I'm going to wait it out and see if it hits 9'. If not, i'll still snatch a 10 (assuming it's available) right before gametime. I have a lot of confidence that FSU rolls, but won't leave myself open to a backdoor 10 point game that loses, which is certainly possible in this type of game.

GL man!
 

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I think that in a close game, Notre Dame's success in close games and the Seminoles recent collapses (by their respective coaching staffs, not so much their players) will give them an edge to win this game outright. But I think that the Irish will be taken to task early and I'm not sure that they can respond with their offense.

Bottom Line: I don't think that the spread will come into play at all in this game. As soon as a total is released I will probably put a unit on a ND moneyline/under parlay as if they do win, it will be in a low-scoring affair and wait to hit Florida State at 9'. I know it's early, but wagerline has almost 75% on the Irish and even the lunch room crowd today liked their chances. Just waiting for a Florida State player to say too much about their strategy. Bowden allluding to the fact that the ND defensive line is never out of place and stating that if he were Willingham he would worry about stopping Jones lends credence that their going to attack the Irish at the edges with Maddox and with Rix in the air. They won't be successful as the Irish corners and safeties are phenomenal in run support and can bait Rix and will hold the Seminole receivers up to strip the ball with their support.

Still think that the Seminoles roll, but I don't think the Irish will lose this game if it's decided by less than one score.
 

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maybe I'm just delusional from all of the beatings ND has given me so far this year...I've gone against them every week since I won playing them vs. Michigan...needless to say, it hasn't been good :( and since I've more or less painted myself into a corner, I'm going to keep on the same track...mother may I have another!!!


FSU -10 (big time)

a BCS still for the Irish, but the undefeated dreams and NC hopes are gone with a resounding "L" in Doakville.


gl :cool:
 
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