Congrats to Oh State, Bama, Iowa Backers/One big Game!!

[bbk]

Had an off week the week before with the crappy loss on OU but was happy to rebound strong. The Ohio State was the easiest pick on the board. Just like I said if you fell off the face of the earth and then came back to earth and looked in the sports pages and saw Ohio State GETTING points AT HOME. I dont need to look into any stats to know that's an easy winner. I made some SERIOUS money on that game. Bama was another story. You cant handicap a coach that doesnt even really try to win (Run the ball 3 times up the middle and then kick the field goal) Alabama gets up 10-0 there its over. But I will still take the cover. I ended up taking Iowa due to the fact if you look at teams that lose their 1st game in their next game they generally lose again and usually by alot. I think Iowa is one of the most underrated team in the country and completely deserve their ranking. Congrats to IOWA. I would love to see Iowa play Michigan on a neutral field now it wouldnt be close. I am glad i bought Okie down; I had a feeling that would happen and last thought was Ole Miss +21 against LSU. That has to be the easiest game on the board. Miss has been a covering machine the last few games and just like I thought LSU with that anemic offense has noooooooooo business laying 21. Miss should have won that game.

On a sidenote that LSU win was huge for Auburn; I read an article today that if LSU loses to Ark this week Auburn will have 0% chance to jump OU as that is considered one of Auburns biggest victories and helps them considerably in the computer polls. Well I hate to do this but Auburn I will just put the whole debate to rest right now. I loved this game 2 weeks ago and when I saw Ark GETTING POINTS AT HOME that sealed the deal. I absolutely love ARK +4 and the moneyline. This will be one my biggest plays of the year. I think Ark not only wins the game but dominates it.
Sorry Auburn I think you deserve a chance. Maybe the spooners will lose???

 

[CWood97]

I think Iowa is one of the most underrated team in the country and completely deserve their ranking. Congrats to IOWA. I would love to see Iowa play Michigan on a neutral field now it wouldnt be close.

whatever you say, hoss.

 

[redsfann]

bbk--

I think Iowa Vs Michigan would be close, but Iowa would win that game, just because of Drew Tate. UM managed 3 points of their own against us at the Big House in Oct; they scored 30 total by getting the ball from us in great field position all day long. We spanked Ohio State and Michigan had no clue against them.
While its nice to be co-Big 10 champs with the Wolverines, I sure would like to have a rematch for all the marbles.....

 

[gman2]

michigan would win any game they play with iowa by 7+, whether it be at michigan, on a neutral field, or at iowa.

 

[redsfann]

Iowa just won its 18 straight game at home--3 full seasons of home games for those whose math isn't very good, yet you think UM would win by more that a TD AT Iowa? You been out in the sun too long, gman2.....
Just what makes you think that somehow they win by that much? They just got their asses handed to them by a vastily inferior Ohio State team and you think they'd handle the Hawkeyes by more than a TD? ummm, whatever.....

 

[gman2]

redsfann:

thats just the way i see it. although i live in big 10 country, i think its a shit conference so i just look at it objectively and call it how i personally see it. obviously you have an inherent iowa bias and youre standing up for your team. but i have no 'team' and i think michigan is superior.

iowa deserves all the credit in the world for pulling together through all the injuries. theyve done a great job.

but michigan is still without a doubt the best team in the conference.

i will concede to your point that michigan wouldnt win by 7+ IN iowa. (theyd win the game though) but the wolverines would win by 7+ again in michigan and on a neutral field without a doubt.

who cares about michigan losing to osu. if you understood the rivalry, you wouldnt be surprised, nor make too much of the outcome. and osu is not 'vastly inferior'. hell, osu has more bluechip athletes than iowa, so you would then be saying iowa is vastly inferior to michigan too.

michigan is still the best team in the conference.
purdue is still the 2nd best team.

 

[The Big Tease]

G: I wont get too involved in this discussion, but I do want to ask you....have you seen Drew Tate earlier in the season or recently? If you have seen him.....he very well may be the most improved player in the nation at ANY position. I used to think that Iowa was winning with smoke and mirrors, but this team really is good.

I would say a toss up between them and Michigan......

 

[gman2]

tease:

iowa isnt doing it with mirrors. theyre just a solid program. but i dont see them as equal with michigan at all. i know iowa fans are fiercely loyal, but i just gotta call it like i see it, even if it means them wanting to come through the screen and yell at me. i have no 'allegiance' or loyalty to any team. you will never see me posting as a fan. doesnt mean im right or wrong. but UM still the class of the big 10.

 

[hawkeye]

Go Hawks-Purdue 2nd best-give me a break-I thought Michigan was 2nd best.

 

[oldschoolcapper]

maybe you could explain to me how the Auburn-Alabama game would have been over if they had gone up 10-0 in the first half.

Auburn drove the field 4 straight times. Once to end the first half (missed FG as 1st half expired) and 3 TDs to start 2nd half. I think the game would have been far from being over even if they had taken a 10-0 lead. My only bet on the game was AU -7 2nd half. You can say good handicapping got Bama backers a win last saturday, but a back door touchdown with a minute and a half left covered it.


osc

 

[bbk]

I think if Alabama gets a td there its a whole new ball game. I am not saying Bama still wins the game but I definitely think Bama has a very very good shot of winning the game. If you are down double digits on the road against a defense as good as Alabama that is a problem. The one thing I did not count on was how bad the play calling was for Alabama. If they would have have opened it up like they did on the last 2 or 3 drives Bama would have probably won the game by 10 or more but if you consistently just run the ball 3 times up the middle you are not going to win a lot of games. I also dont really see how Auburn didnt lose more ground in the polls. They got shutout in the 1st half against a 5 loss team. If Alabama offense wasnt so anemic and the play calling so conservative Bama would have won that game which is sad. I still believe that all three teams should have a chance to play for the NC but with that type of performance and playing that cupcake schedule earlier in the year that is what is really hurting Auburn. I am hoping Vtech wins out. That is going to be a great game between Vtech and Auburn.
Last thing I thought at the very end I was lucky to get the cover however backdoor covers are part of gambling and when you handicap you cap knowing that you could get one when a team is just trying to protect a lead and get the Win. Just like when I lost OU when i got a backdoor cover in the last second of the game. It happens!!

 

[oldschoolcapper]

originally posted by bbk
You cant handicap a coach that doesnt even really try to win (Run the ball 3 times up the middle and then kick the field goal) Alabama gets up 10-0 there its over.

bbk,

Sounds like you did say the game would have been over if it was 10-0.

originally posted by bbk
If Alabama offense wasnt so anemic and the play calling so conservative Bama would have won that game which is sad.

I thought you handicapped the game, which should mean you know that they run the ball most of the time. That was the most they have thrown the ball all season.

originally posted by bbk
If they would have have opened it up like they did on the last 2 or 3 drives Bama would have probably won the game by 10 or more but if you consistently just run the ball 3 times up the middle you are not going to win a lot of games.

really??? they only had one "drive" the entire game. that was the last one against a prevent defense. also, the weather played a big role in play-calling on saturday. i was there. the field was soaked. it rained from about 11 am until halftime of the game.

not trying to be a smartass, but i don't see where you could have watched that game and seen where alabama could have won by ten or more.

congrats on the win though and best of luck the rest of the way.

osc

 

[redsfann]

gman2--

Understood the UM/OSU rivalry? Huh? You don't say how old you are on your profile, but that kind of remark lends me to believe you're a wet behind your ears 20 something punk assed kid....
I've been attending Iowa games for 30 years and have always lived in Big 10 country so my knowledge of the rivalries around the conference is quite good....I know all about the 'supposed' Blue chippers that the Michigans and the Ohio States get every year, and I also know that for whatever reason if a kid is from Iowa and plays for the Hawkeyes, that for some reason he is not a 'Blue-chipper' because he doesn't hail from a larger state, or Florida or Texas..etc etc etc....
There are plenty of Iowa kids--relative to the states population--that are playing in the NFL right now and have in the past--and many of those kids played ball at Iowa.
So you can have your lists of 'Blue-chippers' that all you stat geeks slobber all over every spring and I'll take the farm boys and the other kids that no one else wants and continue to win with great coaching and even better attitudes from the kids who play here.
And your comment about Purdue--Purdue?? being the 2nd best team in the conference truly shows how clueless you are about the Big 10 this season. Purdue is another team we beat this year--

oh, but wait, by your reasoning since we beat them in Iowa City, they are the better team because it was a road loss for the Boilers.......Whatever....

 

[CWood97]

So you can have your lists of 'Blue-chippers' that all you stat geeks slobber all over every spring and I'll take the farm boys and the other kids that no one else wants and continue to win with great coaching and even better attitudes from the kids who play here.

You mean farm boys like Adbul Hodge, Jonathan Babineaux, Clinton Solomon, George Lewis, Warren Halloway,Jovon Johnson, Antwan Allen. Maybe Bob Sanders and Fred Russell?

:142lmao: :142lmao: :142lmao:

give it a break man, Ferentz would take all the blue-chippers in the world if he could get them to go to Iowa. While its amazing the results he has gotten with what he has, not being able to recruit top level athletes will eventually force him to leave. Would you want to have to out coach the opposition every week in order to win? There is only one reason he's still at Iowa, and that is his son Brian. Once he's gone (after next season), so is Kirk. You can count on it.

 

[CWood97]

tease:

iowa isnt doing it with mirrors. theyre just a solid program. but i dont see them as equal with michigan at all. i know iowa fans are fiercely loyal, but i just gotta call it like i see it, even if it means them wanting to come through the screen and yell at me. i have no 'allegiance' or loyalty to any team. you will never see me posting as a fan. doesnt mean im right or wrong. but UM still the class of the big 10.

Well stated Gman. Iowa is a solid program with Ferentz and Michigan is the class of the Big Ten. As evidenced by the 5 Big Ten Championships (shared and outright) racked up over Lloyd's tenure (97, 98, 00, 03, 04)

 

[redsfann]

Great points, Cwood, but what other schools were recuriting those players you mentioned? You know I was refering to the Marv Cooks, the Tim Dwights, the Chad Greenways and the other caucasian kids that come from the cornfields of the Midwest rather than the fast african american kids from Florida or Texas or even Ohio and Michigan....

So nice to know that you are so sure Ferentz is gone in two years. We will see about that one. If he does, that makes him a liar, as he has repeately stated that he would like to see ALL his kids graduate from the same High School, and he has an 11 year old daughter....Besides with the renovations of Kinnick that were started the minute the game with the Badgers ended and will be finished in 2006, why move on until you can spend some time in the new facility?
How about we make a wager? I'll still be around these boards in a couple of years--if he leaves I buy you a UM hat and fly your colors all football season-- if hes still here in 2006, you buy me a hat and fly the Hawkeye colors.
Wait don't tell me, he has already agreed to take the Penn State job after JoePa gives it one more year...no wait...he is going to take the Steelers job after they win the Super Bowl this season and Cower retires.....

 

[kosar]

He's being mentioned for the Browns job if/when Butchie gets fired.

 

[bbk]

oldschool,

You are obviously a HUGE auburn fan; I looked back at some of your post and its pretty obvious. In your top ten you had Texas behind Louiville and Georgia a 2 loss team. Have you looked at Louisville schedule. They are one of the most overratated teams in the county next to Boise State. They have a great offense but their defense is pathetic. And a 2 loss team that lost AT HOME. I am not that impressed with Texas but the bottom line is they have one loss by 12 points to the number 2 team in the nation and play in the Big XII south so give me a break. Thats the problem with fans come to this forum and not cappers. Do you post picks?? This subject got moved because fans came into this and started arguing. I posted something and then posted a play. Ark +4 and the moneyline. I am sorry that you are mad that you cant play for the NC game but its a fact and Auburn fans just need to get used to and start preparing for the Sugar Bowl. At least you dont have to play Utah a team that doesnt even deserve to be there you will hopefully play Vtech that would be a good game.
Anyways good luck in the Sugar!!!!

 

[gman2]

redsfann:

since youve been attending iowa games for 30+ years, that would mean that youre 40-45 yrs old or thereabouts.

assuming then that you are a grown adult, why are you throwing internet insults around and name-calling?

calm down. you dont see me attacking you. youre getting way too worked up.


my whole point about the um/osu rivalry is that most dont understand that talent and records mean zero. because you were going on about how 'michigan lost to a vastly inferior team' and using that game as a measuring stick to project how UM would fare vs. other teams. the superior team is about a 50/50 prop in this rivalry. and most DONT understand it. just like i wouldnt understand the auburn/alabama rivalry or iowa/minny rivalry or whatever.

as for these hypothetical rematches, i think its only fair to assume that such games would take place on a neutral field and both teams playing their best.

assuming that is the case, then, yes, i still stand behind what i posted

1) michigan is the best team in the conference
2) purdue is the second best team in the conference
3) you can fill in the rest, with iowa being up there to challenge them.

florida lost to mississippi state. is miss state better than them? miami lost to clemson. is clemson better than them? i think you get my point.



i really dont understand why youre getting so worked up. i posted nothing even remotely incendiary and now youre throwing insults around all over the place.

if you want to have a mature discussion, then im all for it.

but if its gonna be full of putdowns and garbage, then id rather not waste my time.

 

[gman2]

So nice to know that you are so sure Ferentz is gone in two years. We will see about that one. If he does, that makes him a liar

steve spurrier said a few months ago he was done coaching for good.

butch davis told his miami team he had no interest in any nfl job just a few days before taking the cleveland job.

do we really need to start a list of coaches who say they could never leave.....only to be gone a month or two later? i am sure we could have 10-15 coaches on this list by the end of the day.