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DOGS THAT BARK

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Chalk one up for the good guys---the dumb-illiterate ole hillbilly conservatives--that study and pass test and qualify for promtions finally get them--while the einsteins (liberal quota's) get no free ride--on this one anyway--will take at least one more O appointee ;)



Court rules for white firefighters over promotions


[SIZE=-1]By MARK SHERMAN
The Associated Press
Monday, June 29, 2009 10:49 AM
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WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court ruled Monday that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.
New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results, the court said Monday in a 5-4 decision. The city said that it had acted to avoid a lawsuit from minorities.
The ruling could alter employment practices nationwide, potentially limiting the circumstances in which employers can be held liable for decisions when there is no evidence of intentional discrimination against minorities.
"Fear of litigation alone cannot justify an employer's reliance on race to the detriment of individuals who passed the examinations and qualified for promotions," Justice Anthony Kennedy said in his opinion for the court. He was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
In dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the white firefighters "understandably attract this court's sympathy. But they had no vested right to promotion. Nor have other persons received promotions in preference to them."
Justices Stephen Breyer, David Souter and John Paul Stevens signed onto Ginsburg's dissent, which she read aloud in court Monday.
Kennedy's opinion made only passing reference to the work of Sotomayor and the other two judges on the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals who upheld a lower court ruling in favor of New Haven.
But the appellate judges have been criticized for producing a cursory opinion that failed to deal with "indisputably complex and far from well-settled" questions, in the words of another appeals court judge, Sotomayor mentor Jose Cabranes.
"This perfunctory disposition rests uneasily with the weighty issues presented by this appeal," Cabranes said, in a dissent from the full 2nd Circuit's decision not to hear the case.
Monday's decision has its origins in New Haven's need to fill vacancies for lieutenants and captains in its fire department. It hired an outside firm to design a test, which was given to 77 candidates for lieutenant and 41 candidates for captain.
Fifty six firefighters passed the exams, including 41 whites, 22 blacks and 18 Hispanics. But of those, only 17 whites and two Hispanics could expect promotion.
The city eventually decided not to use the exam to determine promotions. It said it acted because it might have been vulnerable to claims that the exam had a "disparate impact" on minorities in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
The white firefighters said the decision violated the same law's prohibition on intentional discrimination.
Kennedy said an employer needs a "strong basis in evidence" to believe it will be held liable in a disparate impact lawsuit. New Haven had no such evidence, he said.
The city declined to validate the test after it was given, a step that could have identified flaws or determined that there were no serious problems with it. In addition, city officials could not say what was wrong with the test, other than the racially skewed results.
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I applaud the ruling, but you are still a jackass. Who exactly are the "bad guys" and what the fuck does Obama have to do with anything.

You are a race-obsessed nincompoop.
 

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seems to me that a firefighter's test should be based more on PHYSICAL aptitude and skill and less on written questions.

Written should count no doubt--but it shouldn't be MORE THAN 50% of the test (as it was here).
 

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I applaud the ruling, but you are still a jackass. Who exactly are the "bad guys" and what the fuck does Obama have to do with anything.

You are a race-obsessed nincompoop.

Sorry Smurph --forgot you aren't privvy to whts going on inworld--so I'll spell out connection for you--Gumby's nominee for supreme court is one of the people that took the firemen promotion from them.
Supreme court just over turned her--if you read thread you'd know that.

So fact of matter is- we have pres nominating person for highest court in land.--and said person believes the firemen should not be promoted on test scores and qualifications because it discriminates against the slackers that can't pass test. Supreme court ruled that the firemen were in fact the ones discriminated against----by Da Base. :)
 

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seems to me that a firefighter's test should be based more on PHYSICAL aptitude and skill and less on written questions.

Written should count no doubt--but it shouldn't be MORE THAN 50% of the test (as it was here).

i think these tests were for lieutenants or supervisory positions....more decision making positions.....i guess that`s why the written exam was carrying all the weight....:shrug:

don`t knock those minority set-asides,dtb...the way this administration is going,in 15 years, old white guys like us are gonna need em...:lol:
 

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Sorry Smurph --forgot you aren't privvy to whts going on inworld--so I'll spell out connection for you--Gumby's nominee for supreme court is one of the people that took the firemen promotion from them.
Supreme court just over turned her--if you read thread you'd know that.

So fact of matter is- we have pres nominating person for highest court in land.--and said person believes the firemen should not be promoted on test scores and qualifications because it discriminates against the slackers that can't pass test. Supreme court ruled that the firemen were in fact the ones discriminated against----by Da Base. :)



The supreme court decision was 5 to 4.

So it was not like this was a 9-0 decision.

So there was four people on the supreme court than agreed with her ruling.

But why not spin it in another direction.

And mention Da base again that never gets old and trivial.
 

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The supreme court decision was 5 to 4.

So it was not like this was a 9-0 decision.

So there was four people on the supreme court than agreed with her ruling.

But why not spin it in another direction.

And mention Da base again that never gets old and trivial.

4 that voted for it--no shit --it wouldn't be the 4 liberals by any chance--DUH

Boils down to which side you agree with--The 5 conservatives--who considering qualifying as standards--

--or the 4 liberals who believe you should be promoted by quota's if you can't get there by normal standards.

Really depends on where "ones hope" lies to determine which side they favor--
wouldn't you say--maybe you give us short theme on why you favor quota's and feel why they offer you more :)
:0corn
 

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I agree wholeheartedly with the ruling, and have a difficult time seeing the opposing viewpoint. My best guess is that in 7.5 years this ruling would turn out differently. That sucks if you ask me.
 
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