"...created 100 more Osamas'..."

[Eddie Haskell]

Want to throw Mubareks comment out to all the hawks, doves and middlers on this board.

I mean really, all politics aside, don't you think our invasion of Iraq will create at least 100 more Osamas'. I think its gonna get real scarry around here for the forseeable future without regard to the outcome of this war.

My thought on this issue is that in a free society such as ours, we can never eradicate terrorism. If someone wants to nuke Paducah or poison a water supply in East Jesus, there gonna do it.

Historically, this countrys' answer to increased terrorism, real or imagined, has been restrictions on individual freedoms. We continue to do this and pretty soon were not a free country any more.

I'm afraid this is our future. Police state. Your thoughts?

By the way, AR182, had appetizers at the outside bar at Barcelonas, mussels, shrimp, etc. Was very good. Didnt eat dinner there. Played Las Sendas, Sun Ridge Canyon and The Raven. Very enjoyable town you have there. Need any political moderates such as moi to move there????

E. Haskell

 

[AR182]

I read mubarek's comments & don't buy it.We had osama before 9/11, before our war in afghanistan & before our war in iraq.mubarek's comments is just another example of propaganda put out by the arab leaders to deflect their inability to show the arab people a viable future.Through their state run schools & state run media outlets the arab people are taught to hate the western way of life, & to blame anyone else but the the arab gov'ts. for the arab people's lack of progress & growth.

I believe the war will finally show these fundamentalists that america has risen up & has finally said enough.Look at the previous years where we were attacked & we didn't reciprocate.
There was the cobalt towers bombing, the US didn't do much rciprocation, but they kept doing terrorist activities. There was the attack on the USS Cole, we basically did not respond, & they kept doing their thing. There was the first attack on the World Trade Center, we arrested a few people, but we basically did not respond, & the terrorists kept their activities going.So I don't believe this war will give us any more ossama's than if we didn't go to war.
9/11 has changed my opinion on this & by looking at the polls the American people feel the same. There comes a time when we say enough.

Eddie, as far as us becoming a police state, I may be missing something but I don't feel that my liberties have been restricted. But as I say maybe I'm missing something.

Believe it or not but I believe Arizona is not as republican as people think. After all we have a democrat as governor. But we could always use more free thinkers. Are you a moderate, Eddie? I think the jury is still out on that(LOL).

 

[dr. freeze]

make some good points Eddie....agree with the whole freedom part

i think we will create more resentment, but do not think we had much of a choice....think inaction worse of two evils for us

 

[SixFive]

Re: "...created 100 more Osamas'..."

Need any political moderates such as moi ?

:lol2

 

[Terryray]

"100 Osamas" is typical rhetoric you hear out of these fellows.

Israel and Italy, among others, had terrorist problems in past. The solution is not a difficult hermeneutic. You stop terrorism by hunting terrorists down and killing them.

of course, if we occupy for a long time, then a different terrorist problem pops up, as Israel is experiencing. Very different from their terrorist threat in '70s.

of course we can never eradicate terrorism. does that mean we can't take steps to lessen it? We can never eradicate murder, but I predict it will continue to be a crime.

Historically this country has swung between security and liberty, depending on the times. and it always has swung back the other way after threat has passed. ( an interesting aside: Lincoln's abandonment of writ of habeaus corpus was probably unconstitutional, but his emancipation proclamation almost certainly was.)


Osama's original and real grevience cited against America was our stationing of troops in the country with the holiest of cities, Medina and Mecca. This will end with overthrow of Saddam

But they hate us mainly for the very things we cherish. As Mossawi on trial in NYC reported, terrorists will only be happy and quit when we pack our bags and move to mars.

 

[THE KOD]

Re: "...created 100 more Osamas'..."

I mean really, all politics aside, don't you think our invasion of Iraq will create at least 100 more Osamas'. I think its gonna get real scarry around here for the forseeable future without regard to the outcome of this war.

I'm afraid this is our future. Police state. Your thoughts?

E. Haskell

Dear Eddie the moderate.

If it creates 100 more Osamas maybe we can just tie them to a stake, cut off their tongues, and let them bleed to death on the street. Take a quick course from how Iraq does things.

I didnt realize what a moderate was until you bring up police state and your rights. Screw your rights pardner we are at WAR!



Yours in Christ


Scott King of Dogs

 

[michaeljbird]

I think people are fooling themselves if they think our action's oversea's will create more hatred for the US than already exsist.Someone tell me how you HATE,more than HATE:shrug:

 

[ferdville]

Eddie - you continue to post with an ever-increasing content of sensibility. Congrats - you have made some good points. But I agree with MJBird. How can it get any worse? Also - where have all the Osama Bin Ladens been since 9/11? After all, with the U.S. committing more and more eggregious acts against fundamentalist Islamic religious beliefs, you would think that there would be an incident everyday. Yet nothing in the U.S. Maybe that is a tribute to the tougher security, maybe it is just luck. Maybe the terrorists have found it a lot easier to do their business in places like Bali, etc.

 

[TheItalianguy]

"Israel and Italy, among others, had terrorist problems in past."

Great point Terryray. I can only speak with knowledge about Italy. The terrorist problems we had were with the Red Brigades in the 70s-80s. You know why they were such a big threat? Because they had the support of many many common people, just like Arab terrorism against the West has supporters in those countries. The way the government beat that threat was by changing their policy (and arresting many of them of course). Automatically, the support of the people for the Red Brigades was much less. They still exists today and they occasionally kill very specific political targets but we are talking about 15-20 fanatics rather than a huge group. The US is not changing their foreign policy, but making it even worse than before, and the threat will always have more support from the people.