Cwood...

[thom24ad]

Hats off to you and Mich...I sure got my monies worth with that one...great game...I really believe the difference was the way OSU O-line played...and I think Mich playing zone coverage hurt them in the first half...Henne's composure was impressive considering the environment...wasn't too crazy about some of the over-rated comments he made after the game...but hey, it was a tough loss...But I tell you what if Hart stays in which I think he will this offense will be flat out nasty next season...MM is the real deal too...the double move he made on Jenkins was awesome...the guy has a ton of talent...not to mention you guys get Bass back next season...I do think Ginn needs another season...I believe he doesn't have the strength to get off the line in the NFL as a WR or the route running ability...he could use another season for growth but I think his stock is as high as its going to get and he'll have a good combine...with all that said it was a great game and one I will always remember...I'm glad to see that Troy wrapped up the Heisman...He'll go down as the best QB in OSU's history and his number will be retired...

Bring on USC...or whoever?...

 

[CWood97]

Agreed ThomAd, it was a classic. Tressel did a great job of exploiting UM's 3-3-5 stack with 4-5 wide sets early. English did not adjust until after halftime, which really bothered me. I think the lack of pass rush on both sides was caused (in part) by the field conditions. Not much traction there for the Dlinemen.

Smith was great but the two big runs killed my boys in the end. Beany made a great move on the first guy (Crable) but backup LB Chris Graham made a terrible effort to close the hole. Backup Ryan Mundy got burned on both big runs and the long TD pass. Not having starting FS Barringer and LB Burgess (ankle turned out to be not good enough to go) really hurt the UM defense, but there's no excuse for giving up 42 pts any way you cut it.

I thought Henne was very sharp despite the missed 80 yd TD to Mario on the double move. Michigan's skill at wideout was clearly underestimated by the bucks. Hart showed his stuff as well.

I've seen alot of commentary on the 2 unforced turnovers by OSU, but UM had some unforced errors as well. The 15 yd personal foul that almost sealed the game was essentially a turnover (UM was about to get the ball back) and Henne missing a wide open pass to Manningham was a completely unforced error as well. This truly was a closely contested game, no matter what Sally4USC has to say.

I doubt USC will lose, so probably no rematch, but I think it would be another great one out west. I say a better track would favor the defenses more, and lead to more QB pressure and less scoring. And unless Tressel has something else up his sleeve, I doubt you'd see OSU march up and down in the first half the way they did Saturday. Not sure what adjustments OSU could make on D since UM did exactly what everyone expected, but I bet they get more pass rush on a better field as well. Neutral field would clearly help UM. The Shoe is a snakepit.

I will take OSU up to -8 over SC if it happens. Similar matchup to UM game, but IMO UM has more experience and better talent at QB, RB, OL, DL. USC is very young and not ready for a team like the Bucks. They will be in a couple years, but not this year.

 

[CWood97]

BTW, Bass likely done for good. Bad nerve damage in knee. He did have a nerve graft 3 weeks ago, so there is some hope for a 2008 return to running. Very difficult for the kid and family, IMO he had some Reggie Bush in him. Maybe not the top end speed, but what an athlete.

 

[Scott4USC]

I really believe the difference was the way OSU O-line played....

I thought it was quite evident the difference in the game was the 3 Ohio St. turnovers. 2/3 being unforced. Ohio St. being -3 turnovers allowed the Wolverines to be only down 11pts with 5min. left in the 4th quarter. :clap:

Does Michigan even compete without the benefit of 2 unforced turnovers?

Then after the game Michigan RB HART says there would be a different outcome if they played again. WHAT? :shrug: DID HE NOT SEE OSU COUGH UP 2UNFORCED TURNOVERS. Does he think his team would be +3 turnovers again? :shrug: Hart should be happy they DON'T play again. Actually, Hart may be right. OSU would win by 20pts.

 

[CWood97]

I thought it was quite evident the difference in the game was the 3 Ohio St. turnovers. 2/3 being unforced. Ohio St. being -3 turnovers allowed the Wolverines to be only down 11pts with 5min. left in the 4th quarter. :clap:

Does Michigan even compete without the benefit of 2 unforced turnovers?

Then after the game Michigan RB HART says there would be a different outcome if they played again. WHAT? :shrug: DID HE NOT SEE OSU COUGH UP 2UNFORCED TURNOVERS. Does he think his team would be +3 turnovers again? :shrug: Hart should be happy they DON'T play again. Actually, Hart may be right. OSU would win by 20pts.

If UM doesn't commit an "unforced" personal foul penalty then they have the ball, 4 pts down with 8 to play.

OSU averaged nearly 3 forced turnovers a game this year prior to the UM game. I suppose Michigan get's no credit for scoring 39 points without turning the ball over a single time. OSU didn't drop an Int. Michigan didn't have an un-lost fumble. UM took care of the ball PERFECTLY in extremely high pressure situations all night long. But, that means nothing, right Scott?

The fact is it was a 3 point, classic football game in OSU's stadium. You know that doesn't benefit USC or others, so you cry and bitch and moan and try to discredit Michigan.

If UM gets a rematch, great. If not, that's fine too. However, what I won't stand for is you dumping all over a UM team that is stacked with first round talent and would compete well with any team in America, including the consensus #1 OSU.

Keep spinning Scooter. Keep spinning. Ever think of applying for a job in the Bush administration?

 

[thom24ad]

Scott, your right TOs always make a difference in a game but Cwood is right in the fact that Mich had some missed opportunities...

Cwood, the field was terrible but both teams had to deal with the conditions...they are moving to grass-turf for next season...I didn't know that about Bass...its unfortunate...

I also think we'll see USC in the NC...I just don't see them losing and I'm not going to guarantee anything but I tend to think the match-ups are rather favorable for OSU...But anything is possible...

I am a believer that if you lose late you shouldn't get a second chance but I do think Mich has the best chance to beat OSU...Bottom line we should have a playoff which would be fair to everyone...

 

[Scott4USC]

OSU averaged nearly 3 forced turnovers a game this year prior to the UM game. I suppose Michigan get's no credit for scoring 39 points without turning the ball over a single time.

Michigan should get a lot of credit in that aspect. Michigan did what they had to do to win the game. Problem is, Michigan is OUTCLASSED!

Michigan playing a clean game is their downfall. Michigan played great and OSU played sloppy (3 turnovers, 2 of them being unforced) and Michigan still was down 11pts with 5min. left in the game. Says a lot about Ohio St. (positive) and Michigan (negative).

The fact is it was a 3 point, classic football game in OSU's stadium. You know that doesn't benefit USC or others, so you cry and bitch and moan and try to discredit Michigan.

No, it was not a classic game. Did anyone fear Ohio St. losing the game? I didn't. OSU had the game in control despite turning it over 3 times. But the media IGNORES the 3 turnovers when talking about what a great game it was. Being down 11pts with 5min. = not a classic game. The hype makes people believe it was a classic.

If UM gets a rematch, great. If not, that's fine too. However, what I won't stand for is you dumping all over a UM team that is stacked with first round talent and would compete well with any team in America, including the consensus #1 OSU.

Michigan is a slow team. That is why they couldn't compete with Ohio St. That is why UM gave up 42pts. OHIO ST. scored 42pts and Michigan offense had ZERO turnovers and OSU offense had 3 turnovers. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE A REMATCH! Michigan is NOT the 2nd best team in the country. They only beat 3 BCS teams with a winning record. Is that something to be proud of? Does that earn you a #2 ranking? :shrug:

 

[CWood97]

Cwood, the field was terrible but both teams had to deal with the conditions...they are moving to grass-turf for next season...

Totally agree. Didn't mean to make it sound like advantage OSU. I think it hurt both defenses' pass rush and defensive backs, which led to all the scoring.

 

[thom24ad]

Totally agree. Didn't mean to make it sound like advantage OSU. I think it hurt both defenses' pass rush and defensive backs, which led to all the scoring.

I know who could have thought...900 yards and 80 some pts...most different from the Bo/Woody days...

As for the #2 argument...I'm keeping my hands out of that one...but I do think if Florida wins out they could make a case as well...

:mj07: and on a side note...they only flipped one car...set a maybe a dozen fires...40 arrest and 5 for arson...when will they learn?...

Cwood, I'm sure OSU lived up to its normal stereotype in their treatment towards opposing fans...I just don't understand why they don't realize this OUT OF STATE MONEY BEING SPENT LOCALLY!!!:shrug:

 

[Dice34]

I DO NOT WANT TO SEE A REMATCH! Michigan is NOT the 2nd best team in the country. They only beat 3 BCS teams with a winning record. Is that something to be proud of? Does that earn you a #2 ranking? :shrug:

How many times are you gonna say the same thing??? No wonder so many people want to take a shovel to your head or whatever that MJ category was.........go spew your spins in the fan forum....its getting old in here

 

[CWood97]

Scotty-boy,

As re-evidenced in your latest post, you clearly favor whatever helps USC and discredit any other teams that might stand in their way. No matter what the situation, this is the case. USC wins because of turnovers, and Pete's "turnover tuesday" gets the credit. Michigan blows out ND, and its because ND gave them the ball. Just one example. Almost everyone on madjacks has allegiances (some more than others), and that's cool with me. Its part of what makes this forum a fun place. You, on the other hand, are a complete homer douche. This has been evident to all since post #1. What I find most comical is that you were MIA most of the season until USC stuck its nose back in the title race. Now, you're on here hating on Michigan and the SEC like its your job. Since your arguments are irrational, and ridiculously skewed, I will no longer be responding to them. Enjoy the rest of the season and don't forget to tickle Pete's stepchildren.

Peace and chicken grease,

CWood

 

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Scotty-boy,

As re-evidenced in your latest post, you clearly favor whatever helps USC and discredit any other teams that might stand in their way. No matter what the situation, this is the case. USC wins because of turnovers, and Pete's "turnover tuesday" gets the credit. Michigan blows out ND, and its because ND gave them the ball. Just one example. Almost everyone on madjacks has allegiances (some more than others), and that's cool with me. Its part of what makes this forum a fun place. You, on the other hand, are a complete homer douche. This has been evident to all since post #1. What I find most comical is that you were MIA most of the season until USC stuck its nose back in the title race. Now, you're on here hating on Michigan and the SEC like its your job. Since your arguments are irrational, and ridiculously skewed, I will no longer be responding to them. Enjoy the rest of the season and don't forget to tickle Pete's stepchildren.

Peace and chicken grease,

CWood

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[Scott4USC]

Scotty-boy,

As re-evidenced in your latest post, you clearly favor whatever helps USC and discredit any other teams that might stand in their way. No matter what the situation, this is the case. USC wins because of turnovers, and Pete's "turnover tuesday" gets the credit. Michigan blows out ND, and its because ND gave them the ball. Just one example. Almost everyone on madjacks has allegiances (some more than others), and that's cool with me. Its part of what makes this forum a fun place. You, on the other hand, are a complete homer douche. This has been evident to all since post #1. What I find most comical is that you were MIA most of the season until USC stuck its nose back in the title race. Now, you're on here hating on Michigan and the SEC like its your job. Since your arguments are irrational, and ridiculously skewed, I will no longer be responding to them. Enjoy the rest of the season and don't forget to tickle Pete's stepchildren.

Peace and chicken grease,

CWood

#1) YOU DO NOT LIKE READING FACTS THAT GO AGAINST YOUR TEAM (Michigan). You want your team to be handed a trip to the BCS NC without earning it. :nono: Sorry, we do not reward LOSERS! :nooo:

#2) Ohio St. had 2 unforced turnovers. Michigan did not force 3 OSU turnovers. BIG difference. USC had 2 unforced turnovers against Oregon St. to make 4 total. Unforced turnovers are GIFTS. You did NOTHING to earn them. Michigan needs unforced turnovers to compete. Sorry.

#3) I been here all season long. Even right after USC lost to Oregon St. How does that grab ya!

#4) If you don't like reading the truth, put me on ignore list. Not spin. It is facts! Michigan was +3 turnovers and still down 11pts vs Ohio St. late 4th quarter. How $hitty is that? Def. not a #2 team in my book. A team who only has beaten 3 BCS teams with a winning record! :nono:

BE PROUD OF YOUR TEAM! 11-1 is a great achievement. Problem is, others have achieved greater success. Maybe Michigan shouldn't schedule Ball St., Vanderbilt and CMU in OOC play. They might be playing in the BCS NC. On the other hand, Michigan prob. would not be 11-1 if they played more BCS teams with winning records.

 

[pt1gard]

whats funny to me is, I had huge bet on Troy to win heisman and knew that if OH ST won the game he'd get it after his incredible FH ... but some people said they never felt oh st was in danger of losing ...

i had plenty of spots where that game was dicey and Mich had all the MO ... and that 15yd helmet to Troy's head about ended game ... Mich gets that onside kick, they have a great shot at min. OT ... Mich was in that game, make no mistake, even tho they were down double digits for part of it, they showed they could control things at times ...

another time they passed on 3rd and short, where I thought they shoulda run, that was minor turning point ... oh st hasnt been great on D last 2 games now ... 50 days off isnt going to help ... if they do play usc be fairly safe to say the coaching staffs will make the difference, so that will be interesting ...

as far as people repeating the same mantra on obvious spin facts, use that ignore/block ("Smithers! release the hounds!")--it works wonders, the tiresome, jingoisitic, blathering propaganda never changes and tricks the dog to return to his own vomit and pick at it like a scab :scared

 

[dlvlsu]

Vandy is better than half the Pac 10 !!! USC is a loser also: oregon st couldnt win 3 games in big ten or SEC but beat your team!! SCOOTER!

 

[thom24ad]

Everyone is making good pts...But an OSU/MICH rematch IMO would take away some of the luster of last Saturday's game...and if OSU would have lost I would have the same opinion that OSU wouldn't belong as well...You just can't lose late...And well about Florida in all this...If they win out they should have just as much consideration as anyone else...The one team in all that this shouldn't even be considered is ND...sorry Irish fans but its true...they should be playing a Big East team in their bowl...

 

[CWood97]

Everyone is making good pts...But an OSU/MICH rematch IMO would take away some of the luster of last Saturday's game...and if OSU would have lost I would have the same opinion that OSU wouldn't belong as well...You just can't lose late...And well about Florida in all this...If they win out they should have just as much consideration as anyone else...The one team in all that this shouldn't even be considered is ND...sorry Irish fans but its true...they should be playing a Big East team in their bowl...

Good points all, hard to disagree with anything you said.

The one thing I don't understand about all the arguments is some keep talking about how a playoff would solve all the problems (See: Urban Meyer's comments). It would solve some of the issues, but it definitely wouldn't solve the rematch thing. Even with a 4 team playoff this year you are most likely looking at OSU - Michigan in the final again, rendering the first one far less meaningful.

 

[thom24ad]

Good points all, hard to disagree with anything you said.

The one thing I don't understand about all the arguments is some keep talking about how a playoff would solve all the problems (See: Urban Meyer's comments). It would solve some of the issues, but it definitely wouldn't solve the rematch thing. Even with a 4 team playoff this year you are most likely looking at OSU - Michigan in the final again, rendering the first one far less meaningful.

I agree...plus all though I think it would be rather rare you could have some teams resting players at season end...which would suck as well...

I wouldn't be so opposed to a rematch through a playoff...my whole thing is since we don't have a playoff a rematch for the NC with two teams from same conference might be a little unfair...eventhough it appears that the two best teams are from the best conference..cough cough....just joking SEC backers...

 

[ET4646]

Vandy is better than half the Pac 10 !!! USC is a loser also: oregon st couldnt win 3 games in big ten or SEC but beat your team!! SCOOTER!

This is by far one of the dumbest comments ever uttered on this site. Good luck to LSU in the Capital One Bowl:mj07:

 

[dlvlsu]

Truth hurts numbnuts!! Better hope LSU doesnt Play your team!! (if you have one probably toledo or some weak ass team) SEC so strong a few teams do get beat up and settle for smaller bowls(NOT LSU THIS YEAR) Tough conference does that to teams. Bunch of pansy conferences(PAC-10 especially) doesnt have that problem!! Hope you listened to Colin Cowherd today he embarrassed the Pac-10(SUX) and hes a fan of it!! TRUTH HURTS to people smart enough to see it!! Give any of the SEC teams in the BCS top 11(4 of them)(any other conference got that many?) (NOPE) a PAC-10 Schedule or Big ten schedule and they are playing for the national Championship!