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I watched it for two hours.

Its hard to believe that not one of them has the charisma or foresight to be President.

They are going to nominate double speak Hillary who 50% of Americans say they would never vote for. What is up with her eyebrows. She does not have any. She has them painted on her forehead.

I just wish she would get mad and go off on one of them on stage like she does on poor Bill. Calling him every name in the book. And he takes it, hoping to get back to the white house. Geez Louise. Is this what our country is coming to.

Big lobby , oil , insurance co, drug companies have given Hillary all her campaign money. And she stands there and smirks like a cheshire cat.
Its nice that Halloween is tommorrow. Hillary is going as a witch. :scared

Do you agree with giving Illegal aliens having drivers licenses in NY. Uh yes ..... uh no ,,,,,uh
well I will do what is best for the country....
blah blah blah.
I am in General Election mode now. These peons dont stand a chance in hell of getting past me. :SIB

Edwards - No chance. He minds well hang up his gunbelt because the gunfight is over for him.
Attacking Hillary assure he wont be on no VP losing ticket.

Biden - I doubt it. Guliani says a noun a verb and 922

New Mexico Guy - I have the mostest exp up here. Play nice with Hillary guys.

Kucinch - I seen a UFO. Impeach Bush and Cheney now.

Obama - I got creds. Just call me Booorrrkkk.

Hillary - I wont answer yes or no, I will just answer I will do whats best for the country. Blah Blah Blah.

That means a Republican. Uh who of them is any better than Bush and Cheney. :scared
 
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"Where is the G-damn f**king flag? I want the G-damn f**king flag up every f**king morning at f**king sunrise."
(From the book "Inside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 244 - Hillary to the staff at the Arkansas Governor's mansion on Labor Day, 1991)

"You sold out, you mother f**ker! You sold out!"
From the book "Inside" by Joseph Califano, p. 213 - Hillary yelling at Democrat lawyer.

"It's been said, and I think it's accurate, that my husband was obsessed by terrorism in general and al-Qaida in particular."
(Hillary telling a post-9/11 world what a 'great' commander in chief her husband was; Dateline, NBC 4/16/2004.)

"I have to admit that a good deal of what my husband and I have learned [about Islam] has come from our daughter."
(TruthInMedia.org 8/8/1999 - Hillary at a White House function, proudly tells some Muslim groups she is gaining a greater appreciation of Islam because Chelsea was then taking a class on the "religion of peace")

F**k off! It's enough that I have to see you shit-kickers every day, I'm not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G*damn job and keep your mouth shut."
(From the book "American Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p. 90 - Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with "Good morning."

"You f**king idiot."
(From the book "Crossfire" p. 84 - Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event.)

"If you want to remain on this detail, get your f**king ass over here and grab those bags!"
(From the book "The First Partner" p. 259 - Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident.)

"Get f**ked! Get the f**k out of my way!!! Get out of my face!!!"(From the book "Hillary's Scheme" p. 89 - Hillary's various comments to her Secret Service detail agents.)

"Stay the f**k back, stay the f**k away from me! Don't come within ten yards of me, or else! Just f**king do as I s ay, Okay!!!?"
(From the book "Unlimited Access", by Clinton FBI Agent in Charge, Gary Aldrige, p. 139 - Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail.)

"Many of you are well enough off that [President Bush's] tax cuts may have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
(Hillary grandstanding at a fund raising speech in San Francisco; SFGate.com 6/28/2004.)

"Why do I have to keep proving to people that I am not a liar?!"(From the book "The Survivor," by John Harris, p. 382 - Hillary in her 2000 Senate campaign)

"Where's the miserable c*ck sucker?"
(From the book "The Truth About Hillary" by Edward Klein, p. 5 - Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer)

"No matter what you think about the Iraq war, there is one thing we can all agree on for the next days - we have to salute the courage and bravery of those who are risking their lives to vote and those brave Iraqi and American soldiers fighting to protect their right to vote."
(Was posted on Hillary Clinton's senate.gov web site on 1/28/05)

"Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those sunglasses. We need to go back!"
(From the book "Dereliction of Duty" p. 71-72 - Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while en route to Air Force One.)

A right-wing network was after his presidency...including perverting the Constitution."
(To Barbara Walters about the Republicans who impeached her husband; 20/20, ABC 6/8/2003.)

"What are you doing inviting these people into my home? These people are our enemies! They are trying to destroy us!"
(From the book "The Survivor" by John Harris, p. 99 - Hillary screaming to an aide, when she found out that some Republicans had been invited to the Clinton White House)

"I mean, you've got a conservative and right-wing press presence with really nothing on the other end of the political spectrum."
(C-Span, 1/19/1997 - Hillary complains about the mainstream media, which are all conservatives in her opinion)

"Come on Bill, put your dick up! You can't f**k her here!!"
(From the book "Inside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 243 - Hillary to Gov. Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive female at an Arkansas political rally)

"You know, I'm going to start thanking the woman who cleans the restroom in the building I work in. I'm going to start thinking of her as a human being"
-Hillary Clinton
(From the book "The Case Against Hillary Clinton" by Peggy Noonan, p. 55)

"You show people what you're willing to fight for when you fight your friends."
(From the book "The Agenda" by Bob Woodward, ch. 14)

"We are at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West."
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 119 - During her 1993 commencement address at the University of Texas)

"The only way to make a difference is to acquire power"
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 68 - Hillary to a friend before starting law school.)

"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people"
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 20 - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan)

"I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe"
Hillary in 1996 From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 76 - Hillary in 1996)

This ill-tempered, violent, foul mouthed, hateful and abusive woman wants to be your president and have total control as commander-in-chief of a military that her party so openly and proudly admit they detest.
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Beto Ochoa said...

My father worked for Lyndon Johnson and thus knew all the White House housekeeping and kitchen staff at the time. A couple of them were still there when the Clintons took residence. The old timers described the torturous and vile language used towards them and the screaming fights and fits Mrs Clinton instigated. They quit. They were not ready for retirement either but the cursing and racial epithets used towards them were described as insufferable. They were threatened when they quit not to make a fuss over being called names.

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I can't imagine any circumstance at all in which I'd vote for this woman. I have my pick for the GOP nomination, but if Hillary is the Dem nominee I will vote for just about anyone who can beat her.

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I am not all that offended by foul language, but there is no way I want Hillary as Pres nor Bill as First Man in the White House. Hope her true nature comes about in front of, for instance Maya Angelou, who supports her.

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are we just stupid
 

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"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people"

Translation: Hill and friends will decide who gets what treatment at what price for what disesases. They will also decide who can become a doctor, and how many doctors will be allowed into each specialty, and how much they can be paid.
 

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Although I did not watch much of the debate (was busy most of the night), what I did watch reaffirmed my feeling that pretty much any of the current dem candidates would be a decided improvement over the current President when it comes to the two things you initially mentioned - charisma and foresight. If you are saying that neither Edwards nor Obama are charismatic, then I don't know what to tell you.

I also think Richardson, Biden and Dodd show experience and have shown strength and ideas/plans for the future - and speak pretty well about those ideas. Kucinich is the most focused and dedicated to his positions of any candidate on either side - other than maybe Ron Paul. I don't think he projects well as Presidential, and the UFO comment will undermine anything he'll do politically for the rest of his life.

I can certainly see criticisms of the democratic positions and some about experience in some cases. But to say this group doesn't project well in areas of intelligence, communication skills and personality - I just couldn't disagree more.
 

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I have to say that Biden's commentary on Giuliani was one of the best verbal essays I've ever heard. If Rudy should maintain his leading position, Biden's commentary will be the poster board quote/material for the campaign. That was off the cuff brilliance, and probably gained him a few points on the group.
 

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DES MOINES, Iowa - Rip Van Winkle slept for 20 years and woke to find the world had passed him by. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, woke up one morning recently to find that perhaps America has caught up with him.

Paul, 72, has had a 32-year career in the House. But some voters have just now discovered Paul?s constitutionalist, individualist, ?just bring all the troops home? creed.

Last weekend in Iowa, Paul, running for the Republican presidential nomination, was greeted by 700 whooping fans at Iowa State University in Ames and another 300 at a rally in Des Moines.

?There is something rather amazing about the Internet,? he told his Ames supporters, about two-thirds of whom appeared to be under age 25. ?I?ve been used to delivering a message very similar to what I?m delivering tonight for many, many years and not getting a whole lot of responses. And all of a sudden, there?s a whole generation of people now very excited about hearing about the message of freedom.?

'Practically miraculous'

?I think it is practically miraculous what has happened in the last 12 months,? Paul told reporters in Ames. ?Not me and not what I?ve done. But it?s miraculous to find out that there have been so many who had already been informed and were just waiting for someone to ignite these issues.?

On foreign policy, Paul told crowds in Ames and Des Moines:

?Let?s give up on nation-building and policing the world."
The Constitution mandates a policy of non-intervention. ?That means: mind our own business.?
He?d pull troops from Iraq and everywhere else. ?Don?t you think 55 years is long enough to be in Korea??
He also denounced the idea of bombing Iran to prevent the potential of the Tehran regime acquiring a nuclear weapon, which he sees as no threat to the United States or Israel.

MSNBC video


Republican discord
Oct. 21: Ron Paul, at a Republican debate in Orlando, Fla., says the other GOP candidates aren?t following traditional conservative beliefs.
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?Israel would be better off? and the Israelis "could take care of themselves? if the United States ended its alliance with Israel, he said during a weekend meeting with several Christian pastors from across Iowa.

No Ron Paul speech is complete without a denunciation of the Federal Reserve Board which he blames for the devaluation of the dollar.

He forecasts ever greater Chinese reluctance to buy Treasury bonds.

?All empires fail because of a financial crisis,? he told the Christian pastors.

If elected, Paul would try to radically shrink the federal government.

?If we don?t want the government running our lives and we get to run our lives, then we have to assume total responsibility for what we do,? he told the Ames crowd. ?We have to suffer the consequences. But the great thing about this philosophy is that if you believe in life, liberty, and the right to pursue your happiness, you also believe you get to keep all of the fruits of your labor.?

Hence Paul would scrap the income tax.

?We don?t have to put anybody out in the streets,? he said. ?We can just let young people ?whoever wants to take care of themselves ? get out of the (Social Security and Medicare) system,? he said.

Americans' love of the welfare state
Since most Americans have become accustomed to the welfare state, isn?t ending it the toughest idea to sell to audiences?

?It is,? he acknowledged in an interview before his Ames speech. ?It?s really tough ? unless the young people listen to what I?m talking about, because the young people know they?re getting ripped off.?

Asked point blank whether he would propose to abolish Medicare, Paul replied, ?That?s not my goal. It might be my theoretical goal and my philosophic goal.?

He predicts Medicare will ?self-destruct.?

He foresees a transition in which current beneficiaries are paid for, but "young people get out.?
 

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The only place where Paul got a less than friendly reception this past weekend in Iowa was the Iowa Republican Party?s Reagan Dinner Saturday night.

The members of the GOP establishment sat on their hands through most of Paul?s address. Not until he?d spoken for nine minutes did he get any applause, a tepid round of clapping when he called for abolishing the income tax.

Meanwhile, Paul is drawing a mixture of curiosity and respect from Democrats.

Doug Bishop, the treasurer of Jasper County in central Iowa and a staunch supporter of Democrat John Edwards for president, said, ?There are a lot of people (in Iowa) looking at Ron Paul because he knows he?s not going to win, so he?s not scared to tell the truth."

Bishop added, "He?s throwing it right out there: get us out of Iraq, take care of America first, let?s take care of home before worrying about spending billions and billions of dollars overseas. And that message is resonating throughout the Midwest.?

Praise from the left

Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., the left-of-center antiwar leader from Marin County, said, ?Ron Paul appeals to people who are hungry for politicians who will speak their minds, not parsing, weighing, measuring. He knows what he believes, he?s not afraid to say it.?

Paul on Iraq

July 13: Presidential contender Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas gives his analysis of the war in Iraq.
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She added, ?People are loving it.?

Joe Trippi, a 25-year veteran of Iowa caucus politics who served as Howard Dean?s campaign manager in 2003 and who?s now a top aide to Edwards, said, ?From what I see, Ron Paul is doing much better than his better-known opponents think he is doing. He is at that stage of the Dean campaign when all the other campaigns are laughing at him and have no idea of how strong he really is.?

Trippi added, ?This kind of candidacy can be surprisingly strong in a caucus state particularly if it stays just below the radar.?

Drew Ivers, Paul?s Iowa campaign chairman, used that same phrase in addressing the Paul rally in Des Moines Saturday.

Ivers asked for show of hands on how many members of the audience were registered Republicans. Seeing that about half weren?t, Ivers told them they were ?under the radar ? which is exactly where I want to be.?

A repeat of the 1988 Robertson surprise?
In 1988, Ivers headed Pat Robertson?s campaign in Iowa, recruiting thousands of Christian conservatives.

Robertson shocked the GOP establishment by placing second in Iowa to Sen. Bob Dole, and ahead of eventual GOP nominee George H.W. Bush.

To some degree Paul is drawing on the same conservative Christian voters that Robertson did, although he must vie for their affections with GOP rivals Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney.

Paul told the pastors? meeting Saturday that, as an obstetrician, he had delivered approximately 4,000 babies. ?The right to life issue is a very important issue to me,? he told them.

He told them that during his medical school training he?d entered an operating room without knowing an abortion was being performed. ?At the time they weren?t sophisticated in how to kill the unborn before it was delivered. They delivered the baby and put it in a bucket and put in the corner of the room. It tried to cry, tried to breathe. Everybody was pretending it wasn?t there.?

He also explained to the pastors that he voted against the constitutional amendment to outlaw same-sex marriage. ?It?s a state issue,? he said, ?I think it should be a religious ceremony; I don?t even like the idea that it?s a state licensing process.?

Paul seems astonished by what has happened to him: ?I never would have dreamed that I would have a campaign going that would have big rallies in the center of San Francisco and New York City. There?s something very strange going on. I don?t think anyone has fully comprehended how big it is.?

Paul and his fans will get a first measurement of how big it is on Jan. 3, the night of the Iowa caucuses
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I think I would take this guy over Hillary anyday.
 

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I'm here to tell you, it's not the answer, anymore then nuking the entire world is the answer, that is exactly what people like Hillary Clinton want, is a new world order, where everything in run by the all powerful one country, and nobody has to answer for anything, all we have to do is let her get in office, and we'll never be able to pull the foot out of our ass.


She really is not in it for anybody but herself, it's time to make Hillary a household name, like GE, Amana, well you get the idea, she's a selfish arrogant idiot, and she does not give a crap about our country, this has nothing to do with being republican, or democrat, that couldn't matter less, this woman, like her husband, has never uttered a word of truth out of that filthy pie hole in her life, and is not about to make a change now.


So go right a head and put her in office, go right a head and make this country much worse then what it is now, allow her to make a mockery out of the USA, I will always know that I had nothing to do with it, and I'll always be able to hold my head up high and proud.

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How did I know that.

Trick or Treat !
 

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what I did watch reaffirmed my feeling that pretty much any of the current dem candidates would be a decided improvement over the current President when it comes to the two things you initially mentioned - charisma and foresight. If you are saying that neither Edwards nor Obama are charismatic, then I don't know what to tell you.
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I dont think you really mean that chad, its just that like all of us, we are so sick of Bush and Cheney we could just spit.

Thats no way to elect the next leader of the free world.

Even though I voted for Bush, I am still not over how they stole the election. Florida , Harris, Jeb, chads, recounts, Supreme Court. It was sickening.

Its time to move on.

Only problem is , finding someone that is a decent human being, that really can make a difference in the Presidency.

I havnt seen him or her yet.

I would take Obama but he has no chance to win.

Keeping to the status quo is just not acceptable to me.
 

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton's rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination are accusing her of delaying the release of records from her husband's administration, something the front-runner and President Clinton have denied.

"We have just gone through one of the most secretive administrations in our history. And not releasing, I think, these records at the same time, Hillary, that you're making the claim that this is the basis for your experience, I think, is a problem," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, charged during a presidential debate Tuesday.

But Clinton, who represents New York, said the release of the records are not up to her or former President Clinton but the archivists at the National Archives

"The archives is moving as rapidly as the archives moves," Clinton said when asked about the documents by the debate moderator, NBC's Tim Russert. "They are releasing as they do their process. And I am fully in favor of that.":SIB

The Clinton Library in Little Rock, Arkansas, contains 78 million pages of documents and 20 million e-mail messages, said spokeswoman Susan Cooper.

The library has about 300 outstanding Freedom of Information Act requests for Clinton documents, totaling 10 million pages, and has six archivists to handle them, Cooper said.

"Each request requires thousands of pages to look through to see if they're responsive." Cooper said. "Those that are may be classified and may deal with personal privacy, so we're up against an enormous task."

"The first request was on UFOs, and we can't decide which one to handle first," Cooper added.

President Clinton also plays a role in the process. An executive order signed by President Bush in 2001 allows Clinton and other former presidents to review material before it is released by the archive.

According to Newsweek, the Clintons asked in a 2002 letter that "confidential communications involving legal issues and advice" and "communications directly between the president and the first lady" be withheld.:scared

Longtime aide Bruce Lindsey is in charge of document reviews for the Clintons. According to the Clinton Library, his reviews take, on average, eight months.

About 26,000 pages are awaiting review by Clinton's aides, according to the archives.

Obama is a co-sponsor of a bill before the Senate that would revoke the right of former presidents to review documents before they are released. Clinton is not a sponsor.

Whatever the reason documents are not being released, political observers said Clinton's opponents could use the issue to raise doubts about the former first lady.

"Candidates who conceal things run into the problem of people believing 'where there's smoke there's fire,' " said Roger Simon of the Politico. "People ask, logically, 'Why are you hiding this stuff if it isn't important? Why not just release everything?' "
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I think we all know that there would be things said on there that would not hold Hillary in too good of a light and may bring her down and out of the race for Presidencey.
 

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Ron Paul is a gift, but will never be elected.

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so why do they make it impossible for someone like Ron Paul to even have a chance.

Could it be money, power, greed.

Uh yeh doogy duh.
 

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Bill says: Hillary never wanted to run for public office, but she did want to work at public service.
The facts are: When Clinton was considering not running for another term as Governor of Arkansas in 1990, Hillary said she would run if he didn't. She and Bill even had me take two surveys to assess her chances of winning. The conclusion was that she couldn't win because people would just see her as a seat warmer for when Bill came back licking his wounds after losing for president. So she didn't run. Bill did and won. But there is no question she had her eye on public office, as opposed to service, long ago.

Bill says: In law school Hillary worked on legal services for the poor.
The facts are: Hillary's main extra-curricular activity in law school was helping the Black Panthers, on trial in Connecticut for torturing and killing a federal agent. She went to court every day as part of a law student monitoring committee trying to spot civil rights violations and develop grounds for appeal.

Bill says: Hillary spent a year after graduation working on a children's rights project for poor kids.
The facts are: Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he represented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.

Bill says: Hillary could have written her own job ticket, but she turned down all the lucrative job offers.
The facts are: She flunked the DC bar exam and only passed the Arkansas bar. She had no job offers in Arkansas and only got hired by the University of Arkansas Law School at Fayetteville because Bill was already teaching there. She only joined the prestigious Rose Law Firm after Bill became Attorney General and made partner only after he was elected governor.

Bill says: President Carter appointed Hillary to the Legal Services Board of Directors and she became its chairman.
The facts are: The appointment was in exchange for Bill's support for Carter in his 1980 primary against Ted Kennedy. Hillary became chairman in a coup in which she won a majority away from Carter's choice to be chairman.

Bill says: She served on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital.
The facts are: Yes she did. But her main board activity, not mentioned by Bill, was to sit on the Walmart board of directors for a substantial fee. She was silent about their labor and health care practices.

Bill says: Hillary didn't succeed at getting health care for all Americans in 1994 but she kept working at it and helped to create the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) that provides five million children with health insurance.
The facts are: Hillary had nothing to do with creating CHIP. It was included in the budget deal between Clinton and Republican Majority Leader Senator Trent Lott. I helped to negotiate the deal. The money came half from the budget deal and half from the Attorney Generals' tobacco settlement. Hillary had nothing to do with either source of funds.

Bill says: Hillary was the face of America all over the world
The facts are: Her visits were part of a program to get her out of town so that Bill would not appear weak by feeding stories that Hillary was running the White House. Her visits abroad were entirely touristic and symbolic and there was no substantive diplomacy on any of them

Bill says: Hillary was an excellent Senator who kept fighting for children's and women's issues.
The facts are: Other than totally meaningless legislation like changing the names on courthouses and post offices, she has passed only four substantive pieces of legislation. One set up a national park in Puerto Rico. A second provided respite care for family members helping their relatives through Alzheimer's or other conditions. And two were routine bills to aid 9-11 victims and responders which were sponsored by the entire NY delegation.

Here is what bothers me more than anything else about Hillary Clinton: She has done everything possible to weaken the President and our country when it comes to the war on terror.
1. She wants to close GITMO & move the combatants to the USA where they would have access to our legal system.
2. She wants to eliminate the monitoring of suspected Al Qeada phone calls to/from the USA.
3. She wants to grant constitutional rights to enemy combatants captured on the battlefield.
4. She wants to eliminate the monitoring of money transfers between suspected Al Qeada cells & supporters In the USA.
5. She wants to eliminate the type of interrogation tactics used by the military & CIA where coercion might be used when questioning known terrorists even though such tactics might save American lives.

I can't think of a single bill Hillary has introduced or a single comment she has made that would tend to strengthen our country in the War on Terror. But, I can think of a lot of comments she has made that weaken our country & makes it a more dangerous situation for all of us. She goes hand in hand with the ACLU on far too many issues where common sense is abandoned.

She could be a disaster for all Americans.
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The lieing sacks of chit
 

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Having a beer with the next President of the United States.


For the moment let's put away the polls, policy papers and commercials (including those cool maverick ones on YouTube) surrounding the 2008 Presidential contenders and focus solely on personality. If you were tasked to have some kind of social interaction--lunch, a drink, a party, whatever--with each of the serious 2008 candidates in both parties, what would you do?


It's a fair question. In large measure the question asks you to parse your perceptions of the candidates--whether or not those perceptions are accurate. If I had the task, here's what I'd do with who, why, and how I think it would turn out. Starting with Democrats, then moving on to Republicans:


Hillary. I have to say that I would really prefer not to go anywhere with Hillary Clinton at any time. I just don't think I'd like the lady very much. I'm sure she'd be very nice, contrite, and businesslike. Therefore, I'd pick lunch, in an upper-scale restaurant--not a black-tie type of thing, but some place with lunch specials like "roast pork loin with apple chutney and garlic smashed potatoes" and a waiter who scrapes bread crumbs off your tablecloth with a little metal scalpel between courses. I probably wouldn't even drink. I'd order a lemonade or something (it would probably be called "limonada" on the menu), but I'd order first and see if Hillary would order something alcoholic (she wouldn't). I'd eat, thank her politely and get the hell out of there.


Edwards. This is kind of a tough one, because, as the most "politician-y" of the Democrats, I'm not really sure who John Edwards is as a person. But, I'd take a gamble and probably go to a sports bar. You know, the kind of place with big screens around showing hockey games on ESPN, and glowing neon beer signs over the bar, and appetizers in the $10-$12 range. I'd probably order some kind of amber beer and maybe a plate of quesadillas or something. If the health care talk got boring I could catch a glimpse of the Sharks game.


Obama. This one's easy. Barack's a pub guy. It wouldn't matter what kind or which one. The guy smokes, and I could easily see him loosening his tie, rolling up his sleeves and draping his suit coat over the back of a bar stool before lighting a cigarette and ordering something like a Killian's Red. Of all the candidates I would expect to have the most interesting conversation with Obama, and probably the most fun. He easily seems like the kind of guy who you could sit down with, start talking, and then still be there 5 hours and several beers later.


Kucinich. OK, not a serious candidate, I know, but still. This would be another "get it over with as fast as possible" interview. I'd go to a fast food joint. Not a chain like McDonald's or BK, but one of those cheesy local-run joints with generic paper cups and soggy fries in those red and white cardboard dishes. I'd order onion rings and a Sprite and sit there listening to Dennis rant for a while. Then I'd thank him and leave. Whew. At least with Hillary the food was good.


Gore. Not a candidate, but he might be. I would definitely ask to have dinner at Gore's house. For one thing, I want to check out all the environmental gadgets he has, and I'm sure he's got some cool plates or photos or something on the wall from his time as vice-president. I would expect barbecued steak, or maybe homemade fajitas or something creative like that. I would definitely drink beer, probably Heineken. And I would wear an offensive death metal T-shirt with cursewords and butchered carcasses on it just to annoy Tipper. This wouldn't be as much fun as drinks with Obama, but I bet I'd learn a lot.


Giuliani. Where would you go to eat with "America's mayor?" Strangely I have no clue, but why am I thinking Chinese would be his style? Maybe one of those old family-run places in Hell's Kitchen, not a dive but not top of the line either. I'd probably feel comfortable enough with Rudy to order a beer with lunch (Tsingtao, of course). I speak a little Chinese, so I could order for us, but I'd get him something violently spicy--kung pao with double-extra chiles, of course--just to see how he'd deal with it. I think this would be a pretty pleasant lunch. Assume for the sake of argument that none of my interactions with the Republican candidates would end in arguments about Iraq (except maybe McCain).


Romney. As much as I'd love to take Romney to a seedy bar and watch his face as he orders a 7-Up (he's Mormon, remember), I'd probably suggest that maybe a family dinner party would be appropriate. The food would probably be very good, but not imaginative--maybe baked chicken and mashed potatoes--and we'd drink water or caffiene-free sodas (not from the can, of course--Waterford crystal glasses). I bet Mitt is pretty interesting in person so I would expect this one to go pretty well.


John "Bomb, Bomb, Iran" McCain. This is also pretty difficult because McCain is so all over the map. Ultimately I'd probably suggest a pretty safe but reasonably good restaurant--a chain, probably. Maybe Outback Steakhouse. I'd probably get red wine instead of beer and order something on the higher end of the menu. I do think I'd like McCain personally, but I just couldn't resist ribbing him about Iraq. After that, dinner probably wouldn't go well.


Gingrich. Not a candidate (yet), but again might be. Newt just strikes me as loony, but we do have something in common--we're both graduates of Tulane University. For that reason I'd suggest a quick beer at Der Rathskellar, the zero-atmosphere hell-hole in the basement of the Tulane student center. I'd order a Turbo Dog and he'd probably get one too. [For those of you not familiar with New Orleans culture, that's a beer, not a type of sausage]. I would ask Newt all kinds of off the wall questions, like what is he going to do about the alien bodies at Area 51, and if he's elected will he appoint Sheldan Nidle to his cabinet. This would basically be the Republican version of fast food with Kucinich.


Thompson. Not a candidate, again, but might be. Again, very easy. Down-home barbecue on the Tennessee ranch. I would want the whole nine yards--the picnic tables with the plastic checkered cloths, soggy paper plates, fried chicken, beer from a keg in red plastic cups, everything. I'd wear a T-shirt and mirrored sunglasses and maybe help Fred flip burgers on the grill. I'd ask him what it was like to work with Martin Scorsese on the set of Cape Fear. This would probably be a fun afternoon, but I'd probably try to leave before sundown because I hate mosquitoes
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I guess what I am missing from everyone on the "right" is wtf do you support? We got it. You don't like Hillary. But who is it that you guys are backing? The cousing marrying cross dresser? The law and order guy, the magic underwear guy? WHO? Everyone understands who Hannity and company is against, but I don't understand what you are for?
 
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