Democrats look to tax rebates to jolt economy

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Extended benefit boosts and public works may help

January 11, 2008
BY ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON---- Democrats controlling Congress are looking at tax rebates, extended unemployment benefits and more food stamps to stimulate the sagging economy.

But even as momentum builds behind those ideas -- with President Bush increasingly open to proposing a stimulus package later this month -- the effort is fraught with election-year risks for both Democrats and Republicans.

Any politician who promises action on the economy had better deliver. Failure to enact those or other pump-priming measures, which is possible, will register with voters increasingly alarmed about their own well-being.
On the other hand, not trying is a losing strategy too. Democrats see little choice but to make the effort.

''There's a risk in doing nothing and a risk in doing something,'' said Illinois Rep. Rahm Emmanuel, who heads the House Democrats' campaign organization. ''I'll take the risk of doing something for middle-class families versus the risk of doing nothing.''

The White House also is examining broad-based tax rebates comparable to the $300-600 checks sent to taxpayers in 2001, as well as bigger tax breaks for businesses that invest in new equipment.

But Bush's advisers and Republicans are skeptical of new spending initiatives like extended jobless benefits and higher food stamp payments; or accelerating highway, bridge and other public infrastructure projects to address rising unemployment among construction workers.

Complicating the debate is the fact that Democrats and Bush also have a poor track record of working together.

Both sides insist that work on competing stimulus plans is just beginning and that no decisions have been made about what might be included. The White House says it's not a sure thing Bush will even propose a plan if upcoming economic data don't suggest a deepening downturn of the economy.

Expectations are growing, however, that some action on an economic stimulus bill is inevitable.

The mantra among Democrats and many economists is that any stimulus bill should be timely, temporary and targeted toward people most likely to funnel the money right back into the economy. As such, some Democrats are suggesting limiting tax rebates to lower-income and middle-class families and people with children.

''Our initiative will assist hard-hit families by promoting consumer confidence, economic growth and job creation,'' House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said in a statement Tuesday. Pelosi promised help for the unemployed, people hurt by higher health care and spiraling energy prices, as well as those hit by the subprime mortgage crisis.

Democrats also are eyeing extending unemployment benefits beyond the 26-week limit and a temporary increase in food stamp benefits, Pelosi's spokesman, Brendan Daly, said. He cautioned that any decisions would be made only after lawmakers return to Washington next week.

Liberal economists say boosting food stamps is one of the most efficient ways of pumping money into the economy, an idea surprisingly embraced by GOP economist Martin Feldstein at a Brookings Institution forum on Thursday.

Still, the White House and Democrats are probably on a collision course. Bush is likely to resist social spending initiatives or efforts to restrict tax rebates to a relatively narrow segment of the public. He is sure to press to extend his 2001 and 2003 tax cuts -- something Democrats promise to reject.

There's naturally a temptation to use the debate to score political points in this election year. Democrats, for instance, could provoke a veto clash. That's the course they took in last year's debate over expanding a popular health insurance plan for children.

On the presidential campaign trail Thursday in Las Vegas, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Congress needed to take action to revive the economy and contain a mortgage crisis that she called an epidemic. The New York senator was to reveal details of her economic plan Friday.

''I'm going to do everything I can to promote what I think would be the best way to stimulate the economy,'' said Clinton, who has called for a 90-day freeze on foreclosures.

The economy also dominated the first portion of a Republican presidential debate Thursday night in Myrtle Beach, S.C. Fred Thompson, who advocates a cut in corporate taxes, said ''we need to count on the Federal Reserve doing the right thing on interest rates'' to keep the economy from tumbling into recession. He also said tax cuts enacted in recent years should be extended.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani also advocated tax cuts, and his campaign purchased an advertisement during the first commercial break in the televised debate that said he would send the largest tax cut in history to Congress on his first day in the White House.

Rep. Ron Paul said, ''I believe we are in a recession. I believe it's going to get a lot worse.''

With an economy that may be teetering on the edge of a recession, congressional Democrats see a need to deliver results rather than be viewed as seeking political advantage. That means limiting the wish list of liberal Democratic lawmakers if they are to get an agreement with Bush.

Senate Democrats have taken fewer steps toward fashioning a stimulus package. Their deliberations are made more complicated by Senate rules that effectively require GOP support for almost any bill. Many Senate Republicans are looking for an opportunity to extend Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts beyond their scheduled expiration at the end of 2010.

Leaders in both parties also will have to deal with the deficit hawks in each. The idea behind the stimulus effort is to pump money into the economy, not to pump some in and suction out the same amount elsewhere in order to not add to the budget deficit.

Many Democrats have generally promised to live by a ''pay as you go'' rule against deficit-financed legislation. Some of them are still steaming over a decision to waive that rule last month when passing a one-year, $50 billion ''fix'' of the alternative minimum tax, and they're already resisting the idea of waiving it again for any stimulus package.
 

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Clinton econ plan aimed at struggling Dems

By: Mike Allen
Jan 11, 2008 02:14 PM EST
Updated: January 11, 2008 02:14 PM EST

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) plans to propose a $70 billion economic stimulus package ? including emergency housing and heating assistance ? as part of an effort to reinforce her appeal to non-affluent Democrats.

Clinton is to announce her ?plan to jump-start America's ailing economy? at a union training institute in City of Commerce, Calif., (part of Los Angeles County) Friday at 2:15 p.m. Eastern.

California, the nation's most populated state, is part of the huge round of Feb. 5 primaries, which could determine the Democratic nominee.

The Hillary Clinton for President event will include questions from the audience.

The plan is part of the senator?s appeal to voters who need a president, as opposed to the more upscale Democrats where Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has won substantial support.

As part of her leadership pitch, Clinton casts the plan as what she would do if she were president now.

The senator is releasing the plan at a time when both the White House and Democratic leaders in Congress are making moves toward passing a stimulus package amid signs the U.S. could be tipping into a recess.

As part of her successful closing argument in the New Hampshire primary, Clinton deliberately made news at one of her events by citing new unemployment data to declare Jan. 5: ?I think the economy is slipping toward recession."


?Hillary believes we need real action now,? says a policy paper to be issued by the Clinton campaign Friday. ?While economists may still be debating whether we?ve met the technical definition of a recession, for hard-hit middle class families that question has already been answered.

?That is why today Sen. Clinton called on the president and congressional leaders from both parties to enact an aggressive, fast-acting stimulus package based on common-sense economic principles.?

The elements of the package, as described by the campaign:

? Establishing a $30 billion Emergency Housing Crisis Fund to assist states and cities in mitigating the effects of foreclosures: ?Her $30 billion fund would provide immediate, time-limited resources to states, cities and community organizations to help prevent unnecessary foreclosures. States and communities could also use the funds to offset the costs associated with vacant properties by supporting efforts like community-level anti-blight programs and helping local housing authorities buy up vacant properties and rent them to working families.?

? Providing $25 billion in emergency energy assistance for families facing skyrocketing heating bills: ?The grants will the purchasing power of energy assistance to where it was five years ago. And they will ensure that hardworking families and seniors on fixed incomes will not have to choose between heating their homes, putting food on the table or purchasing prescription drugs this winter.?

? Accelerating $5 billion in energy efficiency and alternative energy investments to jump-start green collar job growth: ?The immediate actions that could be part of a 2008 stimulus could include a crash weatherization program to cut home energy costs by up to 20 percent this winter; expanded tax credits to encourage families and businesses to accelerate purchases of hybrids and other low-emission vehicles and to reduce energy costs by purchasing efficient appliances, new windows and other clean, efficient technologies; and acceleration of a Green Building Fund and green collar job training program to put tens of thousands of people to work making schools and other public buildings energy efficient.?

? Investing $10 billion in extending and broadening unemployment insurance for those who are struggling to find work: ?By strengthening our unemployment insurance program and extending unemployment insurance for workers who are laid off for extended periods, this effort will empower more Americans to re-enter the labor market in good-paying jobs.?

All are new proposals. Clinton is billing it as a five-point plan, including this previously announced plan for mitigating the housing crisis: "Sen. Clinton has called for a 90-day moratorium on subprime foreclosures and an automatic rate freeze on subprime mortgages of at least five years or until servicers have converted the unworkable mortgages into loans families can afford."

Alex Conant, press secretary of the Republican National Committee, said: "Clinton says she wants to ?put money in people?s hands,? but her plans require massive tax increases on hardworking families. Clinton?s campaign says that every spending proposal ?must be paid for,? but she can?t tell the American people how she will finance nearly $800 billion in new government spending."
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Can't believe she did want to write off credit card debt also :)
 

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? Establishing a $30 billion Emergency Housing Crisis Fund to assist states and cities in mitigating the effects of foreclosures: ?Her $30 billion fund would provide immediate, time-limited resources to states, cities and community organizations to help prevent unnecessary foreclosures. States and communities could also use the funds to offset the costs associated with vacant properties by supporting efforts like community-level anti-blight programs and helping local housing authorities buy up vacant properties and rent them to working families.?

This is a fantastic idea:jerkit: I am sick of hearing about the bail-out plans! Irresponsibilty should come with a price. You signed the contract. "Don't do the crime if you cant do the time." I generally have socialist tendencies.....I'm an optimist (read: Cub fan) after all, but this stinks to the high heavens. Responsibility is its own reward, but we (responsible among us) should not be penalized by proxy. I'll lose my tax shelter paying for everyone else.

Investing $10 billion in extending and broadening unemployment insurance for those who are struggling to find work: ?By strengthening our unemployment insurance program and extending unemployment insurance for workers who are laid off for extended periods, this effort will empower more Americans to re-enter the labor market in good-paying jobs.?

Thought unemployment around 5%? That's a number that would have most Dems doin' the worm on the congressional dais. I don't think we should encourage the abusers of the system more than we already have. I'd rather raise min. wage in accordance w/SGR (whatever that is) than extend the tab of people already on the dole.

Clinton is to announce her ?plan to jump-start America's ailing economy? at a union training institute in City of Commerce, Calif., (part of Los Angeles County) Friday at 2:15 p.m. Eastern.

Looks like she's reaching out towards Edwards' current base. The next 2 wks are her and Barry goin' after the "union" vote, no matter what happens for Eddie in SC. Still :mj03: my head about the NH numbers. Glad they're looking into it.......give me a hard copy of a paper ballot anyday. Something you can actually count.

Can't believe she did want to write off credit card debt also

Below is Shill's nemesis on credit card "issues".......directly off his website. Not fair to pound on her, and her only.........after all, she's a girl:SIB

Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers: Credit cards could turn into the next subprime market crisis. In addition to being able to easily understand how risky a given credit card is, every American should have a uniform set of rights while dealing with credit card companies, no matter their financial status or credit history. To protect those rights, Barack Obama will require the Federal Trade Commission to analyze credit card company compliance with these basic rights, and provide the Department of Justice with the full authority to investigate and penalize non-compliant companies. The Obama credit card bill of rights will:
Ban Unilateral Changes: Currently, credit card companies can unilaterally change the terms of a credit card agreement at any time for any reason with only a 15-day notice to the consumer. Barack Obama will ban these unilateral changes in credit card agreements unless companies have obtained written consent from consumers and have followed the rules and terms of the agreement.
Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt: Credit card companies often apply increased interest rates to both new debt incurred by the cardholder, as well as previously incurred debt. Barack Obama will require increased interest rates to apply only to future credit card debt, and not to debt incurred prior to the increase.
Prohibit Interest on Fees: Credit card companies often charge interest on transaction fees, such as late fees or paying a bill by telephone. Barack Obama will prohibit credit card issuers from charging interest on transaction fees.
Prohibit ?Universal Defaults?: ?Universal defaults? are a practice in which a credit card company raises an individual?s interest rate based on failure to pay a different creditor on time. Barack Obama will prohibit this practice.
Require Prompt and Fair Crediting of Cardholder Payments: Barack Obama will require credit card issuers to apply payments first to the credit card balance with the highest rate of interest and to minimize finance charges

Doesn't sound all bad, but still doesn't put the onus on discipline & responsibility exactly, does it:shrug: He also refers vaguely to a mortgage bailout, but not as specifically as Hillary's campaign did above:dizzy:

Yours w/o the loathing, but still a healthy dose of fear........doc
 

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Any ideas to help get debate going and get something done. Well it's better then looking up in the sky and wishing. Should we bail out these banks that gave out these loans. If those banks are run that bad they should be out of business.
 

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Any ideas to help get debate going and get something done. Well it's better then looking up in the sky and wishing. Should we bail out these banks that gave out these loans. If those banks are run that bad they should be out of business.

Agree.........the problem is the big fish are just buying up the little fish because they can take on the massive debt.....I am a neophyte on economic nuts and bolts, but it would seem (similar to media outlets) that it just puts more and more in the pockets of a select few that can afford the debt. :shrug:

..just like the old saying, "When there's blood in the street.....buy."
 
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