Did America Let Him Down

[StevieD]

This is one of the main problems that has been building in this country for years. Obama has a chance to do something about it and in my opinion he better do it fast.

We just got the news that my cousins husband Mike died last night. He was 47, father of 3, hard working man. The kind of guy that built America. Not a high priced CEO but a mechanic, who ran a small garage.

He had suffered from back pain but lived on pain pills and ice and heat and anything to stop the pain. He went to work everyday and lived with the pain.

Being in business for himself and having a young family he couldn't afford great health insurance so he stayed away from doctors.

When he finally went to have his back checked out they discovered he had lung cancer and it had spread throughout his body. He died 5 days after discovering he had cancer.

I know we wil hear from the guys saying he should have taken another job or his wife could have worked for insurance. Being as he ran his own garage some nights he had to stay late to finish a job. His wife stayed home with the kids.

A hard working man, trying to live the American dream, struck down in his prime because he couldn't afford the health care.

This is a great country but it is slipping away from us day by day. It is disgusting that this happens in America.

 

[marine]

not to make light of the situation, but how exactly did America let him down?

He got the opportunity to run his own show and pursue his happiness.

Because he didn't go to the doc early enough isn't really the fault of america is it?

 

[hedgehog]

This is one of the main problems that has been building in this country for years. Obama has a chance to do something about it and in my opinion he better do it fast.

We just got the news that my cousins husband Mike died last night. He was 47, father of 3, hard working man. The kind of guy that built America. Not a high priced CEO but a mechanic, who ran a small garage.

He had suffered from back pain but lived on pain pills and ice and heat and anything to stop the pain. He went to work everyday and lived with the pain.

Being in business for himself and having a young family he couldn't afford great health insurance so he stayed away from doctors.

When he finally went to have his back checked out they discovered he had lung cancer and it had spread throughout his body. He died 5 days after discovering he had cancer.

I know we wil hear from the guys saying he should have taken another job or his wife could have worked for insurance. Being as he ran his own garage some nights he had to stay late to finish a job. His wife stayed home with the kids.

A hard working man, trying to live the American dream, struck down in his prime because he couldn't afford the health care.

This is a great country but it is slipping away from us day by day. It is disgusting that this happens in America.

It is a privilege to have insurance not a right, so you want everyone to have insurance on the tax payers dime? His wife could have gone to work, payed private insurance, which is available, or go to a clinic and pay cash. In America he got the opportunity to open his own mechanic shop, so there are other options than the government providing everyone insurance.

Obama = Robin Hood:shrug: kurby

 

[Jabberwocky]

Hedge, you are such a pathetic waste of a human being. You are the biggest douche ever to post on this board. Honestly.

 

[smurphy]

It is a privilege to have insurance not a right,

I would imagine that you also feel the same way about police service, fire service, and public education. Why are those "rights", while health care is not? What is the difference?

 

[hedgehog]

I would imagine that you also feel the same way about police service, fire service, and public education. Why are those "rights", while health care is not? What is the difference?

protecting the people is a right, public education is not free, in Texas we pay ridiculous property taxes to fund public education

 

[UGA12]

There are some changes that need to be made, but to say America failed this person is pretty absurb.

 

[StevieD]

It is a privilege to have insurance not a right, so you want everyone to have insurance on the tax payers dime? His wife could have gone to work, payed private insurance, which is available, or go to a clinic and pay cash. In America he got the opportunity to open his own mechanic shop, so there are other options than the government providing everyone insurance.

Obama = Robin Hood:shrug: kurby

No need to twist things to support your agenda. The guy DID have insurance. The best he could afford. It just wasn't good enough because if he got sick under that insurance he would lo lost everything he worked for.

Do you want him to not have insurance and get sick? If he didn't have a house that might be the way to go. That way he could of gotten free care on your dime.

My daughter has the same problem She had a crappy insurance from Whole Foods. She needed an MRI the insurance paid $3000 for it but the hospital wants another $1000 from her.

You guys all think is very fair until you lose your insurance or you get sick. In America we used to take care of our own.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

protecting the people is a right, public education is not free, in Texas we pay ridiculous property taxes to fund public education

I can just see the hamster running around in Hedgy's inferior brain.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

protecting the people is a right, public education is not free, in Texas we pay ridiculous property taxes to fund public education

I wish you lived next door. I would have my dogs shit in your yard everyday.

 

[hedgehog]

My daughter has the same problem She had a crappy insurance from Whole Foods. She needed an MRI the insurance paid $3000 for it but the hospital wants another $1000 from her.

deductible? Wife and I had a baby last week and we paid 1000 up front. In America you take care of yourself, get anther job to pay insurance, wife works to get insurance for family, figure it out not rely on others to pay for it

 

[StevieD]

deductible? Wife and I had a baby last week and we paid 1000 up front. In America you take care of yourself, get anther job to pay insurance, wife works to get insurance for family, figure it out not rely on others to pay for it

You are such a liar. The guy had insurance. Stop twisting it. No one wanted anyone else to pay for it. Get it? Stop saying it because that is not the stupid point. Why don't you just pay for the whole thing yourself, like I did with my son, because we were young and had no insurance. Why was your wife in the hospital for three days? My wife was in for one with my son. Why should our rates go up because your wife took up 3 days in a hospital bed for having a baby? You said something about a dad's room in the hospital. We had no such thing. Why should my premiums pay for your dad's room?

Anyone can play your stupid game.

 

[marine]

You are such a liar. The guy had insurance. Stop twisting it. No one wanted anyone else to pay for it. Get it?

I'll ask it again:

How did America let him down?

 

[StevieD]

I'll ask it again:

How did America let him down?

Marine, the question was DID America Let Him Down.

You aparently feel that we did not. I put American lives above all others. Maybe you think it is more important to rebuild Iraq than to overhaul the health care system.

The fact is that in America a working man should be able to afford health care. Good health care and not go broke because he got sick.

That is the point. no one is asking for anything free. It is the people that are getting it free that is killing the system.

I do not know what the answer is. But something has to be done.

But it is so hard to have a discussion because everybody wants to cry Socialism! Meanwhile they are taking all that they can.

I am putting it on Obama to do what Bush couldn't do and straighten out this mess.

 

[marine]

I'm a bit perplexed by your arguments here though stevie. Maybe I just dont see through your thoughts like you think we should.

Your repeating that he was paying for health insurance, and no one wants anything for free.

and he didnt go to the doctor and once he did he unfortunately passed away quickly thereafter.

It sounds as if he was at the stage where it was incurable regardless of how excellent teh care was.

And he had insurance. Don't expect anyone to believe that someone who has insurance can not afford to go to the doc for a checkup. If you don't go to the doctor, you can't get fixed.

 

[bleedingpurple]

Here is all I have to say... We live in a world when everybody is worried about the cash. Cash makes our brains think outside the lines.. Thats just the way it is.. If you are insured, under insured, or not insured.. YOU STILL NEED TO HAVE MEDICAL ATTENTION... It doesn't matter... I know it is easy for me to say, but being a nurse I see this all the time.. People worry so much about how much it is going cost.. Rightly so but money don't matter compared to your health. I am sorry for your loss and I am sorry that he felt like he had to choose. It sucks because many americans have gone throught the same as he did. Did America let him down.. I don't know. Did america make him sick, NO.. to wait to get treatrment.. YES

 

[smurphy]

You are such a liar. The guy had insurance. Stop twisting it. No one wanted anyone else to pay for it. Get it? Stop saying it because that is not the stupid point. Why don't you just pay for the whole thing yourself, like I did with my son, because we were young and had no insurance. Why was your wife in the hospital for three days? My wife was in for one with my son. Why should our rates go up because your wife took up 3 days in a hospital bed for having a baby? You said something about a dad's room in the hospital. We had no such thing. Why should my premiums pay for your dad's room?

Anyone can play your stupid game.

Clearly Hedgehog is a free loader. Stevie, I'm sorry that good capitalistic patriots like yourself are footing the bill for socialist fuckwads like him.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I'm in Marine camp Stevie--unless you think gov is responsible for ones actions or lack thereof.

I am very sorry for family's loss--but believe he was responsible for his plight and moreso for the plight of his family after his death.

Death will happen at some point to everyone--

I am quite sure your cousins main concern when he heard news was for his family. Hopefully he planned ahead as price of oil change per month toward life policy made his departure much more peaceful.

as to answer to your question--

There will be some that think it is gov/america's responsiblity to provide for them from cradle to grave--and you will have those that prefer to take that responsiblity themselves--so would depend on which camp your in.

 

[hedgehog]

You are such a liar. The guy had insurance. Stop twisting it. No one wanted anyone else to pay for it. Get it? Stop saying it because that is not the stupid point. Why don't you just pay for the whole thing yourself, like I did with my son, because we were young and had no insurance. Why was your wife in the hospital for three days? My wife was in for one with my son. Why should our rates go up because your wife took up 3 days in a hospital bed for having a baby? You said something about a dad's room in the hospital. We had no such thing. Why should my premiums pay for your dad's room?

Anyone can play your stupid game.

The guy had insurance what do you have to bitch about? sounds like he did not want to go to the doctor, how in the hell is it America's fault your cousins husband died, that is absurd as it gets. Wife had a C section and it is mandatory to stay 3 days in the hospital. We have insurance, blue cross blue shield and we still had to pay 1,000 out of pocket, am I bitching about it, no, pay the fuckin money and move on. I said nothing about a dads room, there is an uncomfortable couch to sleep on, I was just being funny.

 

[Lush Rimbough]

protecting the people is a right, public education is not free, in Texas we pay ridiculous property taxes to fund public education

And Texas still has a yearly harvest of red neck flat earth creationist who believe the earth is at the center of the universe and also believe it's total age is six thousand years old, just like those backwards folks in Kansas who believe that dinosaur fossils where put here by god to test our faith.
The sooner you stop cramming these young minds with bible BS, the sooner you'll have a society based on science that can compete with the rest of the world.

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