about what I figured, nobody is totally sure......could be tomorrow, could be a year? I'm just tired of the scroll across the bottom of the screen telling me to insert my new p4 card....makes it nearly impossible to see any sports tickers. I see the "hu" is still bringing between 80-100 dollars on ebay.....but like bubbas said, I wouldn't get involved in a "hu" anymore, because once the p4 is out to the customers and all of the glitches are resolved, the "hu" will be obsolete.....a good investment may be to pick up a p4 card somewhere soon even though they haven't been hacked yet....because once they do hack them, you can bet the price will skyrocket. Thanks for everyones input....hopefully the "hu" will hold in there through football season....love watching those games from the west coast and out of my region that you can't get on local cable.