just a question........the big 12 isn`t exactly burning up the bowls.....not trying to start a flaming session........just looking for opinions.........
does the k st loss diminish oklahoma`s situation?
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I think so.
I'd be interested to see the BCS computer rankings right now - with the results of the bowl games that have been played so far included. I think SoCal would have to have gotten a boost from the results.
I'd be interested to see the BCS computer rankings right now - with the results of the bowl games that have been played so far included. I think SoCal would have to have gotten a boost from the results.
I feel sorry for LSU. Who cares if they beat OU. Yes they win BCS Championship but it will not be nearly as impressive as USC beating Michigan. Too bad the 2 hottest teams in the country are not playing tom.
KSU the big 12 champs were dominated by Ohio St who was beaten badly by Michigan who were the Big 10 Champs, they were dominated by USC.
if OU beats LSU, who cares, if LSU beats OU, who cares. The "BCS Championship game" sure doesn't sound like a great championship game. The Rose Bowl hosted 2 of the 3 hottest teams in the country.
KSU the big 12 champs were dominated by Ohio St who was beaten badly by Michigan who were the Big 10 Champs, they were dominated by USC.
if OU beats LSU, who cares, if LSU beats OU, who cares. The "BCS Championship game" sure doesn't sound like a great championship game. The Rose Bowl hosted 2 of the 3 hottest teams in the country.
I saw Oklahoma not able to rush at all on KSU's defense and Ohio State ran through them all night................confirms my belief all along............OKLAHOMA WAS OVER-RATED TO BEGIN WITH AND LSU IS GOING TO PUT A HURTIN ON THEM COME SUNDAY.
GW, in answer to your question, NO, this game has no effect
on Stoops preparation for this game. Does it have any effect
on the NC?...???...But IMHO the SOONERS will show the nation
how to get up for the NC...JMHO....
on Stoops preparation for this game. Does it have any effect
on the NC?...???...But IMHO the SOONERS will show the nation
how to get up for the NC...JMHO....
But IMHO the SOONERS will show the nation
how to get up for the NC...JMHO
Just like they did against K-State....................
how to get up for the NC...JMHO
Just like they did against K-State....................
Put that coffee down!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put that coffee down!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's gonna be two champs this year. And if Oklahoma wins Sunday Nite, they will be as co-champs...except Oklahoma will get second prize...
A set of steak-knives ! 3rd Prize goes to The BCS committee !
Put that coffee down!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's gonna be two champs this year. And if Oklahoma wins Sunday Nite, they will be as co-champs...except Oklahoma will get second prize...
A set of steak-knives ! 3rd Prize goes to The BCS committee !
But IMHO the SOONERS will show the nation
how to get up for the NC...JMHO
Just like they did against K-State....................
how to get up for the NC...JMHO
Just like they did against K-State....................
yes.....:
Rating Percentage Index
Rank Team Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Winning Pct Opp. Winning Pct Opp.-Opp. Winning Pct
1 Ohio State Buckeyes 0.629 0.846 0.566 0.539
2 Louisiana State Fighting Tigers 0.621 0.917 0.503 0.561
3 Oklahoma Sooners 0.617 0.923 0.500 0.546
4 Miami Hurricanes 0.611 0.846 0.538 0.523
5 Michigan Wolverines 0.610 0.846 0.531 0.531
6 Southern California Trojans 0.609 0.917 0.486 0.545
7 Florida State Seminoles 0.604 0.769 0.548 0.553
8 Bowling Green Falcons 0.603 0.750 0.582 0.498
9 Georgia Bulldogs 0.601 0.786 0.544 0.531
10 Miami of Ohio Redskins 0.596 0.929 0.472 0.510
11 Iowa Hawkeyes 0.593 0.769 0.531 0.541
12 Kansas State Wildcats 0.591 0.692 0.571 0.529
13 Texas Longhorns 0.588 0.769 0.529 0.526
14 Florida Gators 0.588 0.583 0.624 0.521
15 Maryland Terrapins 0.582 0.750 0.531 0.516
16 Washington State Cougars 0.580 0.769 0.506 0.539
17 Utah Utes 0.578 0.833 0.476 0.526
18 Clemson Tigers 0.574 0.667 0.551 0.527
19 Tennessee Volunteers 0.574 0.769 0.487 0.551
20 Arkansas Razorbacks 0.572 0.692 0.538 0.521
21 Mississippi Rebels 0.572 0.769 0.487 0.543
22 Nebraska Cornhuskers 0.570 0.769 0.487 0.537
23 Boise State Broncos 0.570 0.923 0.427 0.504
24 Purdue Boilermakers 0.563 0.692 0.500 0.562
25 Auburn Tigers 0.561 0.583 0.565 0.531
26 North Carolina State Wolfpack 0.561 0.583 0.572 0.515
27 Oklahoma State Cowboys 0.554 0.667 0.514 0.524
28 Oregon State Beavers 0.554 0.583 0.562 0.510
29 Southern Mississippi Golden Eagles 0.553 0.692 0.510 0.500
30 Notre Dame Fighting Irish 0.551 0.417 0.642 0.504
31 Minnesota Golden Gophers 0.550 0.714 0.479 0.526
32 Oregon Ducks 0.549 0.615 0.528 0.525
33 Texas Christian Horned Frogs 0.544 0.846 0.418 0.495
34 Virginia Cavaliers 0.544 0.615 0.513 0.534
35 Texas Tech Red Raiders 0.544 0.615 0.516 0.527
36 Michigan State Spartans 0.543 0.615 0.509 0.538
37 California Golden Bears 0.542 0.571 0.530 0.536
38 Fresno State Bulldogs 0.532 0.615 0.506 0.500
39 Colorado State Rams 0.532 0.500 0.559 0.511
40 Alabama Crimson Tide 0.531 0.308 0.660 0.495
41 Pittsburgh Panthers 0.531 0.615 0.490 0.527
42 Boston College Eagles 0.531 0.615 0.490 0.526
43 Virginia Tech Hokies 0.530 0.583 0.517 0.504
44 Memphis Tigers 0.529 0.667 0.482 0.485
45 West Virginia Mountaineers 0.528 0.615 0.494 0.509
46 Wisconsin Badgers 0.528 0.538 0.525 0.522
47 Colorado Buffaloes 0.523 0.417 0.574 0.528
48 Marshall Thundering Herd 0.522 0.636 0.480 0.492
49 Washington Huskies 0.521 0.500 0.528 0.530
50 South Carolina Gamecocks 0.521 0.462 0.553 0.515
51 Missouri Tigers 0.520 0.583 0.479 0.540
52 Northwestern Wildcats 0.520 0.462 0.547 0.526
53 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 0.517 0.500 0.510 0.547
54 New Mexico Lobos 0.517 0.583 0.486 0.513
55 Texas A&M Aggies 0.515 0.333 0.614 0.499
56 Hawaii Warriors 0.515 0.615 0.471 0.502
57 Northern Illinois Huskies 0.515 0.818 0.344 0.552
58 Tulsa Golden Hurricanes 0.511 0.636 0.462 0.486
59 Toledo Rockets 0.510 0.636 0.447 0.511
60 UNLV Rebels 0.510 0.500 0.518 0.504
61 UCLA Bruins 0.508 0.462 0.519 0.531
62 Syracuse Orangemen 0.503 0.500 0.503 0.504
63 Wake Forest Demon Deacons 0.501 0.417 0.538 0.513
64 Louisville Cardinals 0.500 0.692 0.412 0.485
65 North Texas Eagles 0.499 0.692 0.410 0.485
66 Air Force Falcons 0.497 0.545 0.469 0.504
67 Louisiana Tech Bulldogs 0.497 0.417 0.542 0.487
68 Connecticut Huskies 0.496 0.727 0.370 0.516
69 Brigham Young Cougars 0.496 0.333 0.568 0.513
70 South Florida Bulls 0.495 0.556 0.459 0.504
71 Troy State Trojans 0.493 0.400 0.545 0.481
72 Houston Cougars 0.492 0.538 0.472 0.487
73 Stanford Cardinal 0.487 0.364 0.526 0.534
74 Nevada Wolf Pack 0.487 0.455 0.500 0.492
75 San Diego State Aztecs 0.483 0.400 0.508 0.517
76 Arizona State Sun Devils 0.483 0.364 0.522 0.523
77 Duke Blue Devils 0.480 0.273 0.563 0.522
78 Rutgers Scarlet Knights 0.480 0.417 0.503 0.495
79 UAB Blazers 0.477 0.417 0.493 0.507
80 Kansas Jayhawks 0.476 0.417 0.469 0.549
81 Arizona Wildcats 0.476 0.167 0.615 0.506
82 Navy Midshipmen 0.473 0.636 0.370 0.516
83 Penn State Nittany Lions 0.472 0.250 0.560 0.516
84 Cincinnati Bearcats 0.468 0.364 0.515 0.479
85 Ball State Cardinals 0.468 0.273 0.559 0.480
86 Tulane Green Wave 0.464 0.364 0.507 0.479
87 Western Michigan Broncos 0.464 0.364 0.504 0.483
88 Wyoming Cowboys 0.463 0.273 0.543 0.494
89 Iowa State Cyclones 0.462 0.091 0.630 0.498
90 Rice Owls 0.452 0.417 0.450 0.492
91 Kent Golden Flashes 0.452 0.364 0.476 0.491
92 Akron Zips 0.450 0.500 0.411 0.479
93 Mississippi State Bulldogs 0.448 0.167 0.551 0.521
94 Baylor Bears 0.447 0.182 0.544 0.517
95 Vanderbilt Commodores 0.440 0.091 0.581 0.506
96 UL Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns 0.433 0.273 0.489 0.482
97 Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders 0.428 0.364 0.432 0.485
98 North Carolina Tar Heels 0.428 0.167 0.507 0.530
99 Indiana Fightin Hoosiers 0.422 0.091 0.544 0.508
100 Kentucky Wildcats 0.421 0.250 0.446 0.543
101 Eastern Michigan Hurons 0.421 0.200 0.505 0.474
102 Idaho Vandals 0.420 0.300 0.461 0.459
103 Illinois Fighting Illini 0.420 0.000 0.582 0.515
104 Temple Owls 0.415 0.091 0.537 0.494
105 Buffalo Bulls 0.415 0.091 0.560 0.448
106 Arkansas State Indians 0.413 0.300 0.439 0.473
107 San Jose State Spartans 0.411 0.200 0.475 0.494
108 Central Michigan Chippewas 0.406 0.100 0.527 0.470
109 Utah State Aggies 0.404 0.250 0.444 0.478
110 New Mexico State Aggies 0.396 0.182 0.460 0.482
111 East Carolina Pirates 0.392 0.083 0.493 0.498
112 UCF Golden Knights 0.385 0.182 0.435 0.487
113 UL Monroe Indians 0.382 0.100 0.478 0.474
114 Southern Methodist Mustangs 0.380 0.000 0.518 0.486
115 Texas El Paso Miners 0.378 0.091 0.469 0.482
116 Army Black Knights 0.377 0.000 0.523 0.460
117 Ohio Bobcats 0.372 0.091 0.460 0.474
Rating Percentage Index
Rank Team Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Winning Pct Opp. Winning Pct Opp.-Opp. Winning Pct
1 Ohio State Buckeyes 0.629 0.846 0.566 0.539
2 Louisiana State Fighting Tigers 0.621 0.917 0.503 0.561
3 Oklahoma Sooners 0.617 0.923 0.500 0.546
4 Miami Hurricanes 0.611 0.846 0.538 0.523
5 Michigan Wolverines 0.610 0.846 0.531 0.531
6 Southern California Trojans 0.609 0.917 0.486 0.545
7 Florida State Seminoles 0.604 0.769 0.548 0.553
8 Bowling Green Falcons 0.603 0.750 0.582 0.498
9 Georgia Bulldogs 0.601 0.786 0.544 0.531
10 Miami of Ohio Redskins 0.596 0.929 0.472 0.510
11 Iowa Hawkeyes 0.593 0.769 0.531 0.541
12 Kansas State Wildcats 0.591 0.692 0.571 0.529
13 Texas Longhorns 0.588 0.769 0.529 0.526
14 Florida Gators 0.588 0.583 0.624 0.521
15 Maryland Terrapins 0.582 0.750 0.531 0.516
16 Washington State Cougars 0.580 0.769 0.506 0.539
17 Utah Utes 0.578 0.833 0.476 0.526
18 Clemson Tigers 0.574 0.667 0.551 0.527
19 Tennessee Volunteers 0.574 0.769 0.487 0.551
20 Arkansas Razorbacks 0.572 0.692 0.538 0.521
21 Mississippi Rebels 0.572 0.769 0.487 0.543
22 Nebraska Cornhuskers 0.570 0.769 0.487 0.537
23 Boise State Broncos 0.570 0.923 0.427 0.504
24 Purdue Boilermakers 0.563 0.692 0.500 0.562
25 Auburn Tigers 0.561 0.583 0.565 0.531
26 North Carolina State Wolfpack 0.561 0.583 0.572 0.515
27 Oklahoma State Cowboys 0.554 0.667 0.514 0.524
28 Oregon State Beavers 0.554 0.583 0.562 0.510
29 Southern Mississippi Golden Eagles 0.553 0.692 0.510 0.500
30 Notre Dame Fighting Irish 0.551 0.417 0.642 0.504
31 Minnesota Golden Gophers 0.550 0.714 0.479 0.526
32 Oregon Ducks 0.549 0.615 0.528 0.525
33 Texas Christian Horned Frogs 0.544 0.846 0.418 0.495
34 Virginia Cavaliers 0.544 0.615 0.513 0.534
35 Texas Tech Red Raiders 0.544 0.615 0.516 0.527
36 Michigan State Spartans 0.543 0.615 0.509 0.538
37 California Golden Bears 0.542 0.571 0.530 0.536
38 Fresno State Bulldogs 0.532 0.615 0.506 0.500
39 Colorado State Rams 0.532 0.500 0.559 0.511
40 Alabama Crimson Tide 0.531 0.308 0.660 0.495
41 Pittsburgh Panthers 0.531 0.615 0.490 0.527
42 Boston College Eagles 0.531 0.615 0.490 0.526
43 Virginia Tech Hokies 0.530 0.583 0.517 0.504
44 Memphis Tigers 0.529 0.667 0.482 0.485
45 West Virginia Mountaineers 0.528 0.615 0.494 0.509
46 Wisconsin Badgers 0.528 0.538 0.525 0.522
47 Colorado Buffaloes 0.523 0.417 0.574 0.528
48 Marshall Thundering Herd 0.522 0.636 0.480 0.492
49 Washington Huskies 0.521 0.500 0.528 0.530
50 South Carolina Gamecocks 0.521 0.462 0.553 0.515
51 Missouri Tigers 0.520 0.583 0.479 0.540
52 Northwestern Wildcats 0.520 0.462 0.547 0.526
53 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 0.517 0.500 0.510 0.547
54 New Mexico Lobos 0.517 0.583 0.486 0.513
55 Texas A&M Aggies 0.515 0.333 0.614 0.499
56 Hawaii Warriors 0.515 0.615 0.471 0.502
57 Northern Illinois Huskies 0.515 0.818 0.344 0.552
58 Tulsa Golden Hurricanes 0.511 0.636 0.462 0.486
59 Toledo Rockets 0.510 0.636 0.447 0.511
60 UNLV Rebels 0.510 0.500 0.518 0.504
61 UCLA Bruins 0.508 0.462 0.519 0.531
62 Syracuse Orangemen 0.503 0.500 0.503 0.504
63 Wake Forest Demon Deacons 0.501 0.417 0.538 0.513
64 Louisville Cardinals 0.500 0.692 0.412 0.485
65 North Texas Eagles 0.499 0.692 0.410 0.485
66 Air Force Falcons 0.497 0.545 0.469 0.504
67 Louisiana Tech Bulldogs 0.497 0.417 0.542 0.487
68 Connecticut Huskies 0.496 0.727 0.370 0.516
69 Brigham Young Cougars 0.496 0.333 0.568 0.513
70 South Florida Bulls 0.495 0.556 0.459 0.504
71 Troy State Trojans 0.493 0.400 0.545 0.481
72 Houston Cougars 0.492 0.538 0.472 0.487
73 Stanford Cardinal 0.487 0.364 0.526 0.534
74 Nevada Wolf Pack 0.487 0.455 0.500 0.492
75 San Diego State Aztecs 0.483 0.400 0.508 0.517
76 Arizona State Sun Devils 0.483 0.364 0.522 0.523
77 Duke Blue Devils 0.480 0.273 0.563 0.522
78 Rutgers Scarlet Knights 0.480 0.417 0.503 0.495
79 UAB Blazers 0.477 0.417 0.493 0.507
80 Kansas Jayhawks 0.476 0.417 0.469 0.549
81 Arizona Wildcats 0.476 0.167 0.615 0.506
82 Navy Midshipmen 0.473 0.636 0.370 0.516
83 Penn State Nittany Lions 0.472 0.250 0.560 0.516
84 Cincinnati Bearcats 0.468 0.364 0.515 0.479
85 Ball State Cardinals 0.468 0.273 0.559 0.480
86 Tulane Green Wave 0.464 0.364 0.507 0.479
87 Western Michigan Broncos 0.464 0.364 0.504 0.483
88 Wyoming Cowboys 0.463 0.273 0.543 0.494
89 Iowa State Cyclones 0.462 0.091 0.630 0.498
90 Rice Owls 0.452 0.417 0.450 0.492
91 Kent Golden Flashes 0.452 0.364 0.476 0.491
92 Akron Zips 0.450 0.500 0.411 0.479
93 Mississippi State Bulldogs 0.448 0.167 0.551 0.521
94 Baylor Bears 0.447 0.182 0.544 0.517
95 Vanderbilt Commodores 0.440 0.091 0.581 0.506
96 UL Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns 0.433 0.273 0.489 0.482
97 Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders 0.428 0.364 0.432 0.485
98 North Carolina Tar Heels 0.428 0.167 0.507 0.530
99 Indiana Fightin Hoosiers 0.422 0.091 0.544 0.508
100 Kentucky Wildcats 0.421 0.250 0.446 0.543
101 Eastern Michigan Hurons 0.421 0.200 0.505 0.474
102 Idaho Vandals 0.420 0.300 0.461 0.459
103 Illinois Fighting Illini 0.420 0.000 0.582 0.515
104 Temple Owls 0.415 0.091 0.537 0.494
105 Buffalo Bulls 0.415 0.091 0.560 0.448
106 Arkansas State Indians 0.413 0.300 0.439 0.473
107 San Jose State Spartans 0.411 0.200 0.475 0.494
108 Central Michigan Chippewas 0.406 0.100 0.527 0.470
109 Utah State Aggies 0.404 0.250 0.444 0.478
110 New Mexico State Aggies 0.396 0.182 0.460 0.482
111 East Carolina Pirates 0.392 0.083 0.493 0.498
112 UCF Golden Knights 0.385 0.182 0.435 0.487
113 UL Monroe Indians 0.382 0.100 0.478 0.474
114 Southern Methodist Mustangs 0.380 0.000 0.518 0.486
115 Texas El Paso Miners 0.378 0.091 0.469 0.482
116 Army Black Knights 0.377 0.000 0.523 0.460
117 Ohio Bobcats 0.372 0.091 0.460 0.474
scott,
you are a shiet talker but i agree with you who gives a ****a usc looks tough and thats from an sec man
you are a shiet talker but i agree with you who gives a ****a usc looks tough and thats from an sec man
It may not necessarily diminish Oklahoma's accomplishments this year, BUT the loser in the Sugar Bowl MIGHT tumble to #4 in the year-end polls. Ohio St. could finish #3 as a result of their impressive victory.
note: The BCS rankings are "final" and will not be recalculated, as a result, they are inconsequential right now. The AP and Coaches' Polls will be the final determinants of how the teams finish following bowl season.
note: The BCS rankings are "final" and will not be recalculated, as a result, they are inconsequential right now. The AP and Coaches' Polls will be the final determinants of how the teams finish following bowl season.
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Ohio State was able to run the ball yesterday because Ross had six weeks to get healthy. With so much time off between the end of the regular season and the bigger bowls I feel the better coaches have the big edge. Those who can motivate their team plus come up with the better game plan have a huge advantage. This is why I beleive Ohio State has done so well With Tressel at the helm. It sure is a big improvement from Cooper who had no clue. I would love to see some sort of playoff and not such a big break between games. Imagine if what the BB tourny would be like if the teams waited until April to start it.
Scott4USC said:
so by this brilliant logic, can we say that since k state beat cal, and that cal beat usc, that usc doesn't even belong in the rose.
with that being said, i thought usc looked close to perfect. i just hate the above being passed off as a reasonable argument for a big win or loss
Scott4USC
Scott4USC
Just a question - you are SOOO pro USC (and I admit that I like them, but...)
USC lost to Cal - the 37th ranked team in the BCS...
Oklahoma lost to K State, the 12th ranked team in the BCS...
LSU lost to Florida (I think), the 14th ranked team in the BCS...
All teams have one loss. USC had by far the worst loss of the 3 teams at the top. Why do you feel that USC is the best? They certainly did not play the strongest schedule.
The national championship is based on the WHOLE season, not necessarily who is playing the best at the end of the year.
That is why the polls (AP, etc) is not the best way to view a team's COMPLETE season - it is too heavily influenced by the last 2-3 games of each team's season. If USC had lost to Cal in the last week, instead of early in the season, they would have been ranked 5 or 6 in my opinion. It shouldn't matter WHEN you lose the game, but WHO you lose to.
I think the BCS has it right this year - based on the whole season. The computer does not rely ONLY on recent memory - as the AP and Coaches/USA poll does... it looks at the whole season.
And USC had a bad loss this year - much worse than the 2 teams that are vying for the national championship. USC should be 3rd - they had no business losing to a bad team like Cal.
Just my 2 cents.
Scott4USC
Just a question - you are SOOO pro USC (and I admit that I like them, but...)
USC lost to Cal - the 37th ranked team in the BCS...
Oklahoma lost to K State, the 12th ranked team in the BCS...
LSU lost to Florida (I think), the 14th ranked team in the BCS...
All teams have one loss. USC had by far the worst loss of the 3 teams at the top. Why do you feel that USC is the best? They certainly did not play the strongest schedule.
The national championship is based on the WHOLE season, not necessarily who is playing the best at the end of the year.
That is why the polls (AP, etc) is not the best way to view a team's COMPLETE season - it is too heavily influenced by the last 2-3 games of each team's season. If USC had lost to Cal in the last week, instead of early in the season, they would have been ranked 5 or 6 in my opinion. It shouldn't matter WHEN you lose the game, but WHO you lose to.
I think the BCS has it right this year - based on the whole season. The computer does not rely ONLY on recent memory - as the AP and Coaches/USA poll does... it looks at the whole season.
And USC had a bad loss this year - much worse than the 2 teams that are vying for the national championship. USC should be 3rd - they had no business losing to a bad team like Cal.
Just my 2 cents.
Let us also not forget that this same Kansas State team whipped USC's ass in 2001 and 2002, and those were DOWN years for the Wildcats.
Scott4USC,
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT the most unreasonable HOMER I've ever seen post on these boards.
Scott4USC,
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT the most unreasonable HOMER I've ever seen post on these boards.
BTW, going by stats, Ohio State did not "dominate" jack squat last night. If anything, it was the other way around:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=240020194
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=240020194
Mags: Be prepared for a response from Scott that will be one sided & pro USC & look for those facts that you pointed out to be considered not that important since it doesn't help USC's case.
re: The kidwhocould
I agree with what you are saying...but the funny thing is , that's exactly The BCS' logic. Their stupid Notre Dame couldn't beat Syracuse so Oklahoma goes to the Sugar Bowl logic.
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Put that coffee down..cofee is for closers !
If Oklahoma wins Sunday, they get 2nd prize.
2nd prize is a set of steak knives ! 3rd prize is the BCS is fired !
Oh, does USC have your attention now?
I agree with what you are saying...but the funny thing is , that's exactly The BCS' logic. Their stupid Notre Dame couldn't beat Syracuse so Oklahoma goes to the Sugar Bowl logic.
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Put that coffee down..cofee is for closers !
If Oklahoma wins Sunday, they get 2nd prize.
2nd prize is a set of steak knives ! 3rd prize is the BCS is fired !
Oh, does USC have your attention now?
