My question is why does such a large segment of the population consider this type of ignorance a virtue? Do they not know who George Wallace was and what he represented. Trump is nothing more than Wallace with a lot more money and as you say a 24 hour news machine to peddle his garbage!
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Raul Kabinza20 hours ago
I find Trump simply using his sales skills to tell portions of the electorate that he is tough, tell another segment what they want to hear, and in some rare cases, tell many of us snippets of his strategies for domestic and foreign policy.
Trump as president cannot block Muslims from entering the country, yet he has us talking about it.
Trump as president cannot fund a wall, yet he has us talking about it.
Trump as president cannot deport 10 million or 20 million illegal aliens. Yet he has us talking about it.
He is neither dangerous or a clown. He is campaigning. Substance is another subject. Who are his supposed cabinet secretaries? Who are his allies in the Senate? The arguments about Trump are shallow.
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Bob Proctor16 hours ago
You list three Trumpian projects, each wildly popular with ultra-conservatives, that Trump, as president, would not be able to do. Trump says he will do them, and his supporters increase in number. Trump is neither dangerous nor a clown? Is he, then, benignly insane or simply bent on bringing the country down to his pedestrian level, knowing that much of it is already there? You think it's "shallow" to talk, to argue, about the Trump phenomenon. Why? What's your take on the clown whom I do, indeed, see as dangerous?
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Regina Gandolfo18 hours ago
You assume George Wallace's message was rejected by the majority at the time. I suspect it was not. If he was marginalized, it was more of a southern bias at play against him that cast him as an Alabama cracker bigot. Separate his message about civil rights from the person and it would have been affirmed in a Gallup poll at the time.
Fast forward. In this case, Trump's message may resonate but not as powerfully as the person delivering it. Many people find Trump's candor and courage compelling. Operative words for them about him are his ?courage? and ?guts to speak his mind.?
Mrs. Clinton is right about Trump?s loose boundaries. He will call the Clintons out about their shenanigans (serial philandering, et al), which will make it hard for them to hold their heads high. In reality, they should be shamed for what they have done.
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Marty Weixel1 day ago
It's a bit disheartening to read that Mr Trump's popularity is the result of "those of lower education" or that he's giving "the American uneducated masses what they want". A formal education does not guarantee reasonable thinking or civil discourse. Our Congress is a stark example of derisive, demeaning,demagoguery. Using these tactics, Mr Trump simply bought campaigning to a much lower level. Both Mr Trump and these members of Congress, who have received a formal education, seem to relish in this kind of calumnious, unethical behavior to the detriment of our country.
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David Logan1 day ago
Mr. Weixel, Only about 30% of the population of the USA have bachelor's degrees. The popularity of all the presidential candidates is probably due to "those of lower education."
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Bob Proctor2 hours ago
That seems to be so, yes.
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Joe Rykowski22 hours ago
I would not jump to the conclusion that it is low information voters comprising the majority of Trump supporters. I work for a Fortune 500 and I can tell you many executive here support the man as do my upper middle class neighbors ... underground to be sure, but supporters.
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John Mullennix1 day ago
Trump is the best thing to come along for the tabloid media in years. One thing I will give Trump credit for, he understands the reality show mentality that appeals to a certain percentage of the populace and he zeroes right in on it. He plays the media like a Stradivarius. It's all a big reality show for him, where one can lie, belittle others, and scheme away, all acceptable means to an end, which is winning the game. That's why his followers don't care if he lies: It's all part of the game.
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William Price1 day ago
Well said John, I could not have said it better myself. Our society has become reality, shock tv. We live in that world now where anything goes. This is the new normal. I get Trump. As with Trump, the left has Hillary. Why would anybody support a pathological liar is beyond me. Carson, Cruz and Rubio have said some stuff that would raise your eyebrow, but I'd take those guys over Hillary in a heartbeat. Both Donald and Hillary would have never, ever been on a ballot decades ago. Bingo, it is a game.
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Joe Rykowski22 hours ago
Yeah, sort of like the full time pollsters that attempt to do the same for every candidate as they engineer messages and sound bites.
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Regina Gandolfo21 hours ago
Marginalize Trump as you may, BUT Donald Trump was named runner-up in Gallup's 'Most Admired Man' poll today ... tied with Pope Francis.
I think your analysis of the situation is flawed, John.
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John Mullennix20 hours ago
My analysis is perfect. Trump will flame out soon and take his place on the trash heap of failed presidential candidates. I mean, every reality show has a built-in terminus. It's a sad comment on America that people can't see through his smoke and mirrors.
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Joe Rykowski18 hours ago
With a "Q" score this high, Trump is not about to flame out soon.
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John Mullennix18 hours ago
A Q-score only goes so far. As illustrated by the fact that low-key, low Q-score Bernie Sanders currently has a higher raw number of supporters in the U.S. than Trump does.
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John Mullennix17 hours ago
AND what you left out was that President Obama received 17% in the poll, while Trump and the Pope received 5%. Pretty big gap there, dontcha think? Not to mention that Hillary came in as most admired woman with 13%, followed by Malala with 5%. So Obama trumps Trump and Hillary gets equal ratings with Trump.
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David Hunter12 hours ago
And Regina it was none other then Barack Obama who finished first.
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Jack Mennis13 hours ago
Albeit in a different way, Obama "played the media" and was thereby elected. On reflection, though, he didn't have to "play" the media as they had shivers up their legs just because.
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Oren Spiegler1 day ago
The rise of Donald Trump, fueled in large part by the media, is another demonstration of the melding of entertainment with news. "Kent B." is correct. He would not be dominating the airwaves if this is not what the people wanted to see, and he is most popular with those of lower levels of education as demonstrated through polling. To borrow and alter a phrase from First Lady Michelle Obama, "For another instance in my adult life, I am really embarrassed by my country."
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Raul Kabinza20 hours ago
I find Trump simply using his sales skills to tell portions of the electorate that he is tough, tell another segment what they want to hear, and in some rare cases, tell many of us snippets of his strategies for domestic and foreign policy.
Trump as president cannot block Muslims from entering the country, yet he has us talking about it.
Trump as president cannot fund a wall, yet he has us talking about it.
Trump as president cannot deport 10 million or 20 million illegal aliens. Yet he has us talking about it.
He is neither dangerous or a clown. He is campaigning. Substance is another subject. Who are his supposed cabinet secretaries? Who are his allies in the Senate? The arguments about Trump are shallow.
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Bob Proctor16 hours ago
You list three Trumpian projects, each wildly popular with ultra-conservatives, that Trump, as president, would not be able to do. Trump says he will do them, and his supporters increase in number. Trump is neither dangerous nor a clown? Is he, then, benignly insane or simply bent on bringing the country down to his pedestrian level, knowing that much of it is already there? You think it's "shallow" to talk, to argue, about the Trump phenomenon. Why? What's your take on the clown whom I do, indeed, see as dangerous?
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Regina Gandolfo18 hours ago
You assume George Wallace's message was rejected by the majority at the time. I suspect it was not. If he was marginalized, it was more of a southern bias at play against him that cast him as an Alabama cracker bigot. Separate his message about civil rights from the person and it would have been affirmed in a Gallup poll at the time.
Fast forward. In this case, Trump's message may resonate but not as powerfully as the person delivering it. Many people find Trump's candor and courage compelling. Operative words for them about him are his ?courage? and ?guts to speak his mind.?
Mrs. Clinton is right about Trump?s loose boundaries. He will call the Clintons out about their shenanigans (serial philandering, et al), which will make it hard for them to hold their heads high. In reality, they should be shamed for what they have done.
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Marty Weixel1 day ago
It's a bit disheartening to read that Mr Trump's popularity is the result of "those of lower education" or that he's giving "the American uneducated masses what they want". A formal education does not guarantee reasonable thinking or civil discourse. Our Congress is a stark example of derisive, demeaning,demagoguery. Using these tactics, Mr Trump simply bought campaigning to a much lower level. Both Mr Trump and these members of Congress, who have received a formal education, seem to relish in this kind of calumnious, unethical behavior to the detriment of our country.
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David Logan1 day ago
Mr. Weixel, Only about 30% of the population of the USA have bachelor's degrees. The popularity of all the presidential candidates is probably due to "those of lower education."
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Bob Proctor2 hours ago
That seems to be so, yes.
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Joe Rykowski22 hours ago
I would not jump to the conclusion that it is low information voters comprising the majority of Trump supporters. I work for a Fortune 500 and I can tell you many executive here support the man as do my upper middle class neighbors ... underground to be sure, but supporters.
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John Mullennix1 day ago
Trump is the best thing to come along for the tabloid media in years. One thing I will give Trump credit for, he understands the reality show mentality that appeals to a certain percentage of the populace and he zeroes right in on it. He plays the media like a Stradivarius. It's all a big reality show for him, where one can lie, belittle others, and scheme away, all acceptable means to an end, which is winning the game. That's why his followers don't care if he lies: It's all part of the game.
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William Price1 day ago
Well said John, I could not have said it better myself. Our society has become reality, shock tv. We live in that world now where anything goes. This is the new normal. I get Trump. As with Trump, the left has Hillary. Why would anybody support a pathological liar is beyond me. Carson, Cruz and Rubio have said some stuff that would raise your eyebrow, but I'd take those guys over Hillary in a heartbeat. Both Donald and Hillary would have never, ever been on a ballot decades ago. Bingo, it is a game.
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Joe Rykowski22 hours ago
Yeah, sort of like the full time pollsters that attempt to do the same for every candidate as they engineer messages and sound bites.
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Regina Gandolfo21 hours ago
Marginalize Trump as you may, BUT Donald Trump was named runner-up in Gallup's 'Most Admired Man' poll today ... tied with Pope Francis.
I think your analysis of the situation is flawed, John.
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John Mullennix20 hours ago
My analysis is perfect. Trump will flame out soon and take his place on the trash heap of failed presidential candidates. I mean, every reality show has a built-in terminus. It's a sad comment on America that people can't see through his smoke and mirrors.
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Joe Rykowski18 hours ago
With a "Q" score this high, Trump is not about to flame out soon.
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John Mullennix18 hours ago
A Q-score only goes so far. As illustrated by the fact that low-key, low Q-score Bernie Sanders currently has a higher raw number of supporters in the U.S. than Trump does.
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John Mullennix17 hours ago
AND what you left out was that President Obama received 17% in the poll, while Trump and the Pope received 5%. Pretty big gap there, dontcha think? Not to mention that Hillary came in as most admired woman with 13%, followed by Malala with 5%. So Obama trumps Trump and Hillary gets equal ratings with Trump.
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David Hunter12 hours ago
And Regina it was none other then Barack Obama who finished first.
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Jack Mennis13 hours ago
Albeit in a different way, Obama "played the media" and was thereby elected. On reflection, though, he didn't have to "play" the media as they had shivers up their legs just because.
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Oren Spiegler1 day ago
The rise of Donald Trump, fueled in large part by the media, is another demonstration of the melding of entertainment with news. "Kent B." is correct. He would not be dominating the airwaves if this is not what the people wanted to see, and he is most popular with those of lower levels of education as demonstrated through polling. To borrow and alter a phrase from First Lady Michelle Obama, "For another instance in my adult life, I am really embarrassed by my country."
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