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Don't Confuse Some N.Y. Times Editorial Writers With the Facts

Monday, October 15, 2007

By Brit Hume

Good News Is No news

When the government announced last week that the federal budget deficit had fallen to its lowest level in five years ? it was big news. But apparently not big enough to make a big splash in The New York Times or Washington Post. The New York Times ran a wire story in the back of the "A" section Friday. The Post put a wire story on its Web site Thursday afternoon and nothing in the paper.

But in an editorial Friday ? The New York Times wrote the concept that lower tax rates generate more tax revenues is "nonsense." "That theory has been tested and failed, leading to enormous deficits during the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush."

But in both those administrations, tax revenues grew after tax rates were cut. Indeed, in fiscal year 2007 tax revenues grew 6.7 percent ? to a record of more than $2.5 trillion ? and the deficit has declined each of the past three years.
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The media eagerly reported comments by former top commander of coalition forces in Iraq General Ricardo Sanchez ? calling the war in Iraq a "nightmare with no end in sight."

But there has been considerably less reporting of his harsh criticism of the press ? in the same speech Friday to military reporters and editors. Some examples ? "Over the course of this war tactically insignificant events have become strategic defeats for America because of the tremendous power and impact of the media and by extension you the journalist. In many cases the media has unjustly destroyed the individual reputations and careers of those involved," "you are perpetuating the corrosive partisan politics that is destroying our country and killing our service members who are at war," "for some of you, just like some of our politicians, the truth is of little to no value if it does not fit your own preconceived notions, biases and agendas."

Investigative Journalism

A newly formed organization of investigative journalists called Pro Publica intends to take aim at wrongdoing in government and business ? and offer its stories without charge to major newspapers. The New York Times has already said it's interested.

But a closer look at the group suggests it is not a politically neutral operation prepared to let the chips fall where they may. The Pro Publica organization was created by Herbert and Marion Sandler ? former owners of one of the country's largest mortgage and banking companies. The Sandlers made about $2.5 billion when they sold it. They are major Democratic political donors, who gave all their campaign contributions to Democrats in 2006. They have also been longtime critics of President Bush.
 

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I agree, you can't trust the NYT'S....... Look what happened when Judy Miller sold the American People and the word the propaganda leading up to this war ?????? Leaks that came from Scooter Libby, that came from his boss, the Vp. It's amazing that the far anti American radical right can cry about your pals at the Times ! Judy Miller & the NYT's was the voice, the voice of this administration. Think about it !!!!! The Cons that planed this war/nation building, (pre 911); were hand and hand with their liberal buddies that went to and were educated in some of the most liberal institutions this County has to offer. The NYT'S and this Administration alliance on this war is a classic case and clear proof that the far right & left are anti American groups that the American people can't trust. These two groups on the surface talk a different talk but there is unity in their destination. Why is it, the far right & far left always cry about the press ? The press is the fountain of freedom. Both these groups live and thrive on taking our freedom away. Nothing gets done in America without the press, so we see a daily struggle in the press/media , spin from the left, spin from the right. Who wins ? They do.. The working centrist of America gets screwed every time. Don't waste your time thinking about the left against the right. Come over to the Pro America Movement. It's us against them ! Leave your stupid ass party behind .. Freedom awaits you ! THINK LIKE A FREE PERSON, IT'S GREAT !!!! What would our Founding Fathers say about what Their America has become ?? I think they would say we need leadership, a leadership that would not be afraid to distance it self from the stranglehold these two parties have on the masses. I think they would embrace the pursuit of, what has become radical ideas like : LIBERTY AND FREEDOM !!!
 

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Don't Confuse Some N.Y. Times Editorial Writers With the Facts

Monday, October 15, 2007

By Brit Hume

Good News Is No news

When the government announced last week that the federal budget deficit had fallen to its lowest level in five years ? it was big news. But apparently not big enough to make a big splash in The New York Times or Washington Post. The New York Times ran a wire story in the back of the "A" section Friday. The Post put a wire story on its Web site Thursday afternoon and nothing in the paper.

But in an editorial Friday ? The New York Times wrote the concept that lower tax rates generate more tax revenues is "nonsense." "That theory has been tested and failed, leading to enormous deficits during the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush."

But in both those administrations, tax revenues grew after tax rates were cut. Indeed, in fiscal year 2007 tax revenues grew 6.7 percent ? to a record of more than $2.5 trillion ? and the deficit has declined each of the past three years.
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The media eagerly reported comments by former top commander of coalition forces in Iraq General Ricardo Sanchez ? calling the war in Iraq a "nightmare with no end in sight."

But there has been considerably less reporting of his harsh criticism of the press ? in the same speech Friday to military reporters and editors. Some examples ? "Over the course of this war tactically insignificant events have become strategic defeats for America because of the tremendous power and impact of the media and by extension you the journalist. In many cases the media has unjustly destroyed the individual reputations and careers of those involved," "you are perpetuating the corrosive partisan politics that is destroying our country and killing our service members who are at war," "for some of you, just like some of our politicians, the truth is of little to no value if it does not fit your own preconceived notions, biases and agendas."

Investigative Journalism

A newly formed organization of investigative journalists called Pro Publica intends to take aim at wrongdoing in government and business ? and offer its stories without charge to major newspapers. The New York Times has already said it's interested.

But a closer look at the group suggests it is not a politically neutral operation prepared to let the chips fall where they may. The Pro Publica organization was created by Herbert and Marion Sandler ? former owners of one of the country's largest mortgage and banking companies. The Sandlers made about $2.5 billion when they sold it. They are major Democratic political donors, who gave all their campaign contributions to Democrats in 2006. They have also been longtime critics of President Bush.

There is truth in this post..... The problem is you don't see the other side. A closer look at most big political donors is very ugly. Look at the Black water connections between this administration and the money the republican party has received from the "Blackwater family". Does anyone see a conflict of interest when a war friendly business gives money to, not only the current administration but to future possible administrations. Mitt Romney's advisor on terror is non other than Blackwaters vice chairman Cofer Black. GOOGLE : MITT ROMNEY BLACKWATER CONNECTION. All your liberal pals didn't report the story.... another case of the anti American left and right working together. MEDIA MATTERS POINTS THIS OUT IN A GREAT ARTICLE !
 

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Just wondering, Wayne and Bryanz...even in Hume's essay on deficits when he remarks about tax receipts increasing during tax cuts (I'm sure there are plenty of examples of rises and falls in all stages of taxation situations throughout history, right?), he never explains away the high deficits that went up during those administrations. Inclusive of those receipts, right? Just wondering if the ignoring of that fact has any bearing on the discussion? Or is that another inconvenient truth? I think we've seen here and elsewhere what happens to the deficit during recent republican and democratic administrations.

Care to explain the base issue? Or is a sidebar issue the way to go to try to hide it?

I notice also that the record tax receipts came along at the same time that the record oil and gas prices came along, and all those houses were sold and built and sold with all those suppressed interest rates, to many people with dubious or marginal (if not laughable) abilities to assume those situations. Whether they should have done it or not is not at issue when taking credit for base tax receipts, now is it? Only when talking about personal responsibility, right? ;)

Great to see us edging back from the record high deficits of the Bush years to, um other high deficits of the Bush years. Well done!
 
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Just wondering, Wayne and Bryanz...even in Hume's essay on deficits when he remarks about tax receipts increasing during tax cuts (I'm sure there are plenty of examples of rises and falls in all stages of taxation situations throughout history, right?), he never explains away the high deficits that went up during those administrations. Inclusive of those receipts, right? Just wondering if the ignoring of that fact has any bearing on the discussion? Or is that another inconvenient truth? I think we've seen here and elsewhere what happens to the deficit during recent republican and democratic administrations.

Care to explain the base issue? Or is a sidebar issue the way to go to try to hide it?

I notice also that the record tax receipts came along at the same time that the record oil and gas prices came along, and all those houses were sold and built and sold with all those suppressed interest rates, to many people with dubious or marginal (if not laughable) abilities to assume those situations. Whether they should have done it or not is not at issue when taking credit for base tax receipts, now is it? Only when talking about personal responsibility, right? ;)

Great to see us edging back from the record high deficits of the Bush years to, um other high deficits of the Bush years. Well done!

The base issue is the nuts... I'm going to tell you right up front I know about as much about the economy or how to project it as all the fools that look at the same #'s and have different conclusions. It is not an exact science.... The base issue confuses many because : when is a tax cut really a tax cut. Are we paying < the yr before or are we paying < the projected budget ? It is great news that the deficit has fallen to the lowest level in 5 yrs .... Why was it so high ? Should we give credit to an arsonist for putting out his own fire ? I voted for Reagan & thought that at the time even thou his deficit was high, his tax cuts were the key to lowering inflation and bringing the American economy back because of the investment and every day spending that it created. Taxes were way to high at the time. The fact that tax receipts are increasing is a natural occurrence. I would guess that over the last 40 yrs, tax receipts have grown every 5 yrs over that period because the economy good or bad, naturally gets bigger. Is the economy good ? Depends on who you are in America. Is the president responsible for what happens in the economy good or bad ? Current Policy has less to do with whats happening today than policy 5 to 10 yrs prior. Also market forces including global,have much to say about it . Perception can have a big effect on the economy. I think that most Americans look at : oil prices UP, housing prices Down,the out sourcing of middle class jobs UP, the value of the dollar Down, health care cost UP, gov spending including waste & corruption UP.... And China: Why do we allow them to ship poison in the form of food, toys, clothes and many other lead based materials into our country & hold billions of our debt ? Why is this administration in bed with CHINA ? These guys want a pat on the back for bringing their deficit down ? It's their job, like it's their job to keep unsafe China goods out of our country. Why do we have so much Cancer in this country ? Why is Autism up ? All the ****ing lead from China might have something to do with it ! Where is the ****ing outrage ?
 

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back to issue of confusing facts--sure is lots of liberal blogs with egg on their face today--was tough deciding whether to put this here or in the party of hate thread :)

Hate Crime?

When liberal "Air America" talk hostess Randi Rhodes was injured Sunday night outside her Manhattan apartment ? her colleagues reported that she had been mugged ? and were not shy about pointing the finger of blame.

The New York Daily News reports fellow host John Elliott claimed on his show ? "Is this an attempt by the right-wing, hate machine to silence one of our own? Are we threatening them? Are they afraid that were winning? Are they trying to silence, intimidate us?"

Liberal blogs also lashed out at the alleged conservative muggers. Now it turns out Rhodes' lawyer says Rhodes in fact fell down while walking her dog.
 

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back to issue of confusing facts--sure is lots of liberal blogs with egg on their face today--was tough deciding whether to put this here or in the party of hate thread :)

Hate Crime?

When liberal "Air America" talk hostess Randi Rhodes was injured Sunday night outside her Manhattan apartment ? her colleagues reported that she had been mugged ? and were not shy about pointing the finger of blame.

The New York Daily News reports fellow host John Elliott claimed on his show ? "Is this an attempt by the right-wing, hate machine to silence one of our own? Are we threatening them? Are they afraid that were winning? Are they trying to silence, intimidate us?"

Liberal blogs also lashed out at the alleged conservative muggers. Now it turns out Rhodes' lawyer says Rhodes in fact fell down while walking her dog.

These are confusing facts. Most of America, at least the people that I talk to would say, who cares ??? Who is randi rhodes or john elliot , what is air America and what do they have to do with my real concerns about my country. This is a classic case of some Americans being distracted from what matters...... This is just another example of the anti American left & right playing games with the American People..This is 5th grade stuff. We get all charged up about immigration and those foreigners coming into our Country but most of America is unaware of our governments complicity of the foreign invasion led by china to degrade our health and wealth with goods. ARE YOU SERIOUS ? GET FOCUSED !! THIS IS THE TYPE OF MISLEADING INFO THAT HAS YOU CONCERNED ?
 

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--and speaking of NYT--appears they are having to live with their convictions --

Morgan Stanley Sells Entire New York Times Stake
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Oct. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Morgan Stanley, the second-biggest shareholder in New York Times Co., sold its entire 7.3 percent stake today, according to a person briefed on the transaction, sending the stock to its lowest in more than 10 years.

The person declined to be identified because Morgan Stanley hasn't made the sale public yet. Traders with knowledge of the transaction said Merrill Lynch & Co. brokered a $183 million block trade of 10 million New York Times shares this morning.

Hassan Elmasry, managing director of Morgan Stanley Investment Management, unsuccessfully challenged the Sulzberger family's control of New York Times Co. through super-voting stock that gives them a board majority. Shareholders owning 42 percent of the company, parent of the namesake newspaper and Boston Globe, withheld support for directors at the publisher's April annual meeting.

``This guy has been speaking for a lot of people who are too discreet to speak up and challenge management,'' said Porter Bibb, a managing partner at Mediatech Capital Partners LLC in New York and a former New York Times Co. executive.

New York Times shares slid 43 cents, or 2.3 percent, to $18.48 at 4:04 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, the lowest since January 1997. The stock has declined 24 percent this year.
 

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I guess at this point, I have to assume you did see my question, Wayne, and have chosen to ignore it. No problem.

As for your last post, it looks to me like a Morgan Stanley takeover attempt of the Times simply failed, and now they are selling the stake they have taken a position in to get to the point where they were.

I know you are trying to paint this as being some kind of failure of the NYT, but seems like that's not the case - actually a victory against someone trying a somewhat hostile takeover.

Again...I have a question on the table, if you ever care to stop changing the subject with whatever it is you can google, that really doesn't seem to have any real point, when quickly examined...carry on.
 

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I'm sorry Chad--What was your question?

If it was why deficit is up despite record revenue I've answered that numerous times prior.

This admin has funded 2 war and had to foot bill for greatest natural and man made disaters in history.

Not hard to have surplus when you do nothing to confront terrorism and pass it on to the next admin.

If you don't think that doing nothing can cost more in the future--consider the cost that would have been averted had we simply taken out UBL when we had chance after his 1st attack on U.S.
 

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The question was this - about previous republican administrations - per the Hume report:

Copying and pasting >>

Just wondering, Wayne and Bryanz...even in Hume's essay on deficits when he remarks about tax receipts increasing during tax cuts (I'm sure there are plenty of examples of rises and falls in all stages of taxation situations throughout history, right?), he never explains away the high deficits that went up during those administrations. Inclusive of those receipts, right? Just wondering if the ignoring of that fact has any bearing on the discussion? Or is that another inconvenient truth? I think we've seen here and elsewhere what happens to the deficit during recent republican and democratic administrations.

Care to explain the base issue? Or is a sidebar issue the way to go to try to hide it?
 

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This admin has funded 2 war and had to foot bill for greatest natural and man made disaters in history.

If you don't think that doing nothing can cost more in the future--consider the cost that would have been averted had we simply taken out UBL when we had chance after his 1st attack on U.S.

This was an interesting post. Seems to me that a prudent cause of action (or non-action, I'm sure you would prefer that name) considering the economic issues of the first war and the two disasters might not to have started the second (elective) war. And I guess the only important time to really focus and take out Bin Laden would have been during the Clinton years - which have been discussed ad nauseum and that situation has been shown to have arguable pretense. I can see why you wouldn't (and the administration you support) maintain it important to take out Bin Laden subsequently. I guess the threat of future Bin Laden attacks aren't as important now, or at least since we pulled the majority of Bin Laden hunting away from that task.

And just maybe, tax cuts at a time of war, signals a terrible message both here and abroad, and were done for the first time in history. Focus and sacrifice? Not for everyone, all the time, right? War is only a blaming device when it's convenient, I guess.
 

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I don't think ruling out every tax cut because of a war is sound policy..... tax cuts are needed to give the economy a boost. All a tax cut is : You earn it you spend or invest your money . Day after day, report after report, of careless spending and corruption involved in the waste of the tax payers money. I agree we should sacrifice when at war but the American People do not need to pay any more taxes. Why would you want to give failed leadership more of your money ? The Polls say the American Peoples approval of the senate, congress and this administration is under 30 %. Lack of money in the hands of our leadership is not the problem.
 

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So, Bryanz, I'll ask you, what is a fair rate of taxation? Should it be a flat rate (at what number?) for all citizens and have no tax breaks or benefits available to any citizen?

Everyone clamors for less taxes, but who can agree on what programs to cut? We all agree there is too much pork, but nobody is willing to make that an important factor in their own legislators, who bring home the bacon to each locality.

It's essentially kind of crying wolf, if you ask me, in a sense. Complaining about taxes, but doing nothing about it or offering up concrete allowances other than cutting funding for things you (everyone) don't agree with.
 

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So, Bryanz, I'll ask you, what is a fair rate of taxation? Should it be a flat rate (at what number?) for all citizens and have no tax breaks or benefits available to any citizen?

Everyone clamors for less taxes, but who can agree on what programs to cut? We all agree there is too much pork, but nobody is willing to make that an important factor in their own legislators, who bring home the bacon to each locality.

It's essentially kind of crying wolf, if you ask me, in a sense. Complaining about taxes, but doing nothing about it or offering up concrete allowances other than cutting funding for things you (everyone) don't agree with.
lets be reasonable, we need tax breaks and benefits.... I think a step in the right direction would be : lets get our dollars worth for the money we are currently spending, cut waste & corruption. CUT WASTE & CORRUPTION .....
 

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Bryanz Your beginning to see the light--
Been weighing out all those tax increases they plan for you.

Whats fair--The liberal PC crowd idea is keep taking from the product and add more to the already 40 million non tax payor list until there is absolutely no finacial reward for being productive.

Their next step is equality in classrooms. Their idea of grading on a curb would would bring those in top 20% down to the 50% percentile and raise the bottom 20% accordingly-- where everybody gets a C regardless of intelligence or study ethics. ;)
 
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