Drowned Iraqi 'was forced into river by five US soldiers'

[DR STRANGELOVE]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=491210

Thoughts?

I for one, am aware that, individually, soldiers aren't bad people. The problem is that when they are part of a larger group, their personality is submerged (no pun intended) and they are capable of unspeakable evil. The stresses of war alone are enough to send many soldiers off the deep end (again, no pun intended).

From an onlookers perspective, I am sure that the majority of soldiers still retain their sense of dignity and humanity, but when they are at the heart of a situation such as this, it is easy for these qualities to become watered down (no pun intended).

Seriously though. I think this is F'ed up.

 

[Stuman]

I guess these five are "up the creek w/o a paddle"?

 

[ChrryBlstr]

undoubtedly an infidel who had no other purpose than to perpetuate some sort of attack or mischief against the wonderful american liberators....the nerve of these people....driving around after curfew and refusing to comply with direct orders from the peacekeepers....it wasn't the americans' fault that he didn't know how to swim....far from it....how would they know that....anyways....who cares....it's just one less terrorist destined to threaten millions of americans basking in their God given liberty....no biggie....collateral damage....the price of war!!!

 

[dr. freeze]

if only Saddam would have complied, things like this wouldn't have had to happen....

 

[kosar]

lol- when I saw freezes name as the 'last post', I took a wild guess that I would get treated to a post like this.

Complied with what, freeze? A wmd ban? Oh. Oh, you must mean those 13 missles made in 1972 that we found that flew 15 miles more than what we allowed.

If we murder in cold blood another 1000 people over the next 10 years that we're there, I suppose that you would give the same response. In fact, I would bet on it.

These are the same civilians that you found sudden compassion for in support of the 'liberation'. What happened?

if only Saddam would have complied, things like this wouldn't have had to happen....

 

[hellah10]

Re: Drowned Iraqi 'was forced into river by five US soldiers'

I for one, am aware that, individually, soldiers aren't bad people. The problem is that when they are part of a larger group, their personality is submerged (no pun intended) and they are capable of unspeakable evil.

thats very very very very very true. all it takes is 1 person to say something, if your not part of that "in" group - your an oukast! you dont wanna be an oukast in your platoon...otherwise your gonna have it rough and have no friends. Having friends is what keeps you sane. I was fortunate in a way....I was going from camp to camp every week it seemed like. But the armed forces have alot of rednecks that dont think and are close minded as fawk. They tried doing this shit to me saying "well your either one of them or one of us" He was a stupid ass private and I out rank him by a ton...so I looked at him and said "soldier, you will not give me any ultimatums for as long as Im here. Do as your told or I will have you court marshalled" yea it felt good sounding like the tough guy lol....but if you wanna scare someone in the army, espeically a private...just say court marshall and they will drop to thier knees....

 

[dr. freeze]

lol- when I saw freezes name as the 'last post', I took a wild guess that I would get treated to a post like this.

Complied with what, freeze? A wmd ban? Oh. Oh, you must mean those 13 missles made in 1972 that we found that flew 15 miles more than what we allowed.

If we murder in cold blood another 1000 people over the next 10 years that we're there, I suppose that you would give the same response. In fact, I would bet on it.

These are the same civilians that you found sudden compassion for in support of the 'liberation'. What happened?

no its idiots like you who want to blame unfortunate incidents that happen in all wars on our soldiers...personally, i choose to shift the blame to Hussein who didn't comply with 20 some odd UN resolutions....

that is non-compliance and he has the responsibility of what is happening over their along with every other terrorist......we are over there fighting Al-Quaeda right now and i guess you could argue the fact that they are to blame....

fortunately for you and I the battle is not being fought on American soil....otherwise that Iraqi who may or may not have been murdered (it amuses me how quick to believe anecdotal reports some of you are) could have been an American(s)....

unfortunate as that may be, Hussein is the one who brought it upon his people.....his actions begining in the late 80's up til the gulf war brought upon consequences which he did not abide by....therefore why don't you morons blame him?

 

[Stuman]

Suicidal Iraqis are killing Americans EVERY DAY. I have no sympathy for this one guy. Besides, this whole incident might be out of context for all we know. We might not know all the facts for this incident.

 

[kosar]

no its idiots like you who want to blame unfortunate incidents that happen in all wars on our soldiers...personally, i choose to shift the blame to Hussein who didn't comply with 20 some odd UN resolutions....

that is non-compliance and he has the responsibility of what is happening over their along with every other terrorist......we are over there fighting Al-Quaeda right now and i guess you could argue the fact that they are to blame....

fortunately for you and I the battle is not being fought on American soil....otherwise that Iraqi who may or may not have been murdered (it amuses me how quick to believe anecdotal reports some of you are) could have been an American(s)....

unfortunate as that may be, Hussein is the one who brought it upon his people.....his actions begining in the late 80's up til the gulf war brought upon consequences which he did not abide by....therefore why don't you morons blame him?

The fact that this admin invaded Iraq and that Saddam was bad does not mean that every individual incident that happens can be dismissed with a 'well, if Bush didn't' or a 'well, if Saddam didn't'. That's very lazy thinking. Typical for Dr. Roboto.

 

[kosar]

Suicidal Iraqis are killing Americans EVERY DAY. I have no sympathy for this one guy. Besides, this whole incident might be out of context for all we know. We might not know all the facts for this incident.

I agree, stuman. I don't really have any great sympathy for him either. Or really anybody over there, except for our troops. And I agree also that the story could be much different than what was presented in that article as I will always give our guys the benefit of the doubt. It's dumbass, flip comments like the one Dr Roboto made that are annoying.

 

[KMA]

Read the article, doesnt seem to me to be too credible although who can say. If Reuters.com has no mention of it, then it probably didn't happen. Same goes for the BBC's website. After trying CNN.com and NYTimes.com I didn't find anything either. Doesn't mean it didn't happen but it doesn't mean it did either. Even if you do a search for "drowned" you'll get a slew of articles about other individuals who have drowned. I would think if this was legit it would be plastered everywhere, and Pres. Bush would be to blame for it. Being it's not pasted all over the networks as is the storys of GW's service/non service record I have to doubt it all!!!

 

[kosar]

I agree, KMA. No offense to our British brothers, but their media makes ours look like Rush Limbaugh Inc.

 

[dr. freeze]

The fact that this admin invaded Iraq and that Saddam was bad does not mean that every individual incident that happens can be dismissed with a 'well, if Bush didn't' or a 'well, if Saddam didn't'. That's very lazy thinking. Typical for Dr. Roboto.

well my well nourished friend, i won't argue that you can identify "lazy", but have no idea what "lazy thinking" refers to....perhaps its some slogan which you use to label logic which you cannot refute

Mr Hussein is responsible for whatever atrocities happen in this war....he did not comply with us after being defeated in the treaty he signed and did not support our war on terror...in fact he helped hinder our effort in ways which may be a little bit over your narrow minded way of thinking....therefore, he chose to bring war upon his people....

now, for some unclear reason, there has been very few countries in the history of the world who has been concerned with the welfare of opposing country's citizenry when at war....and the US has taken immeasurable steps to do so....yet we are hated for it by almost all stinking, ungrateful Euro trash...and dr. roboto and friends are tired of this attitude

so forgive me mr. Chirac, i mean kosar for my "lazy" thinking...enlighten me with your utopian thinking and someday maybe we will all reach that magical place --- together