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To be fair to you, I don't know if you're disdain is with
1. The existence of God per se
2. Christianity vs The Roman Catholic Church
3. TV Preachers and their "Gospel Of Prosperity"
4. Much of the buffoonery that takes place under the guise of Christianity (i.e Westboro Baptist Church, Kentucky snake handlers, Benny Hinn, etc.
5. The accuracy and veracity of the bible as the divinely inspired word of God.

Just trying to get a better understanding of where you're coming from.
 
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To be fair to you, I don't know if you're disdain is with
1. The existence of God per se
2. Christianity vs The Roman Catholic Church
3. TV Preachers and their "Gospel Of Prosperity"
4. Much of the buffoonery that takes place under the guise of Christianity (i.e Westboro Baptist Church, Kentucky snake handlers, Benny Hinn, etc.
5. The accuracy and veracity of the bible as the divinely inspired word of God.

Just trying to get a better understanding of where you're coming from.
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Most of your list is minor issues conducted by insignificant characters.

My objections to Christianity are because of the church's evil deeds, directed right from the top.

The Crusades.
Witch Trials.
Inquisitions.
Failure to speak against serious evil, ie. Nazi Germany, the imprisonment of Japanese-American citizens, wholesale bombing of civilians, ie. Iraq.

There is, of course, no God. If there were, he would not permit such extensive evil.

Would you allow children you created to act as humans sometimes do, or would you say, "no, bad boy, I will not allow you to torture and murder in my name"?
 
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Duff Miver said:
Most of your list is minor issues conducted by insignificant characters.

My objections to Christianity are because of the church's evil deeds, directed right from the top.

The Crusades.
Witch Trials.
Inquisitions.
Failure to speak against serious evil, ie. Nazi Germany, the imprisonment of Japanese-American citizens, wholesale bombing of civilians, ie. Iraq.

There is, of course, no God. If there were, he would not permit such extensive evil.
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If your serious about a BASIC understanding of Christianity, you may want to understand the difference between Christianity and the Roman Catholic Church.

Much of your bitterness and confusion can be diffused and explained with an understanding of early church history. Especially the transition from the last Caesar to the first pope.
The following link is to a seven-page PDF file. Just read the first page (Some of the words and phrases toward the bottom are scriptural references to Revelation 17) ~

http://www.harvestdothan.com/Public/system/Church/Documents/Revelation Study Session 11.pdf
 
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If your serious about a BASIC understanding of Christianity, you may want to understand the difference between Christianity and the Roman Catholic Church.
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For 1500 of the last 2000 years Christianity and the Catholic church were one and the same, inseparable.

And I have watched non-Catholic Christians sit in front of their television sets and cheer as we bombed civilians. Non-Catholics are just as bad as Catholics....and God does nothing about it.

Why not? Because he exists in your imagination only.
 
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Duff ~

What makes anyone think God owes them an explanation? How could any finite mortal with a little peanut brain expect to understand the mind of the infinite Creator who has the ability to speak things into existence?

The bible states in Isaiah 55:8-9 , "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Lastly, in terms of doctrine, Christianity and the Roman Catholic Church are miles apart.
 
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There is, of course, no God. If there were, he would not permit such extensive evil.

Would you allow children you created to act as humans sometimes do, or would you say, "no, bad boy, I will not allow you to torture and murder in my name"?
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First off, God permitted His Son to die a horrible death on the cross. He could have stopped it at any time. Why didn't He?

Secondly, because of His great love He allowed us to be born with a free will.
 
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You can understand why people do not believe in this can't you?
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If you're referring to God the father not interfering with His Son's death on the cross then yes, I can understand why people do not believe in this.

I just find it sad that this point alone would turn their seeking would turn to unbelief.
 
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"You are incapable of understanding, therefore...
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We have a "limited" understanding. We want to believe we're smarter than we actually are.

How can someone finite understand the mind of an infinite Creator?

According to the bible, that's why Lucifer was cast out of heaven.

Isaiah 14:13-15 ~ "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
 
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Not many know about those Duff. I'm impressed.
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I know more about the Bible and Christianity than you think.

I attended four years at a religious college where attendance at religious services was mandatory, Bible studies were mandatory.

Prior to that experience and education I was agnostic. After four years of immersion in Christianity, I realized how fucked up that religion is, right up there with Islam.
 
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I know more about the Bible and Christianity than you think.

I attended four years at a religious college where attendance at religious services was mandatory, Bible studies were mandatory.

Prior to that experience and education I was agnostic. After four years of immersion in Christianity, I realized how fucked up that religion is, right up there with Islam.
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I would think that anyone with half an ounce of common sense would have figured that four years of mandatory bible study would have answered all your concerns you listed at the beginning of this thread, i.e, Crusades, Witch trials, Inquisitions, etc.

But who am I to argue?

And besides, you know more about the Bible and Christianity than I ever thought.

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.
 
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buddy said:
If you're referring to God the father not interfering with His Son's death on the cross then yes, I can understand why people do not believe in this.

I just find it sad that this point alone would turn their seeking would turn to unbelief.
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I don't think this point alone would turn to unbelief. I think there is a whole Bible of inconsistencies and rhetoric that relies on a gullible crowd.
 
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