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elon +6: opening line moved up a point with early speculators so i'll buy in now. these two schools sit a few miles apart in the greensboro/burlington/highpoint triad area of north carolina and were basketball rivals for several years in the southern conference until elon bolted for the more lucrative caa four years ago. for years, the series stayed pretty even with elon holding 14-12 edge until coach mike matheny came to elon 9 years ago. during matheny's tenure, elon is 12-1 and have won the last 12 straight.

in college basketball, there are rivalries within coaching "trees" as well as between schools, and in north carolina there are coaching trees that have evolved through the big four schools of wake, duke, unc and nc state. the unc branch has kansas roots and includes phog allen - dean smith - roy williams. uncg's wes miller falls in here, having played on roy's 2005 nat'l championship team. he game to greensboro in 2011 and turned around a program in tatters, won socon coach of the year a few years ago, and now has the spartans in the upper echelon of the southern conference.

the nc state branch rose out of indiana through everett case - norm sloan -eddie biedenbach (best coach you've never heard of) - bob mckillop. elon coach wes matheny captained his davidson team for bob mckillop. matheny also turned the elon program around, partially prompting the miller hire in greensboro.

all of this leads me to note that, despite his overall success in greensboro, fox has never beaten matheny's elon team. that fact speaks volumes about where the competive edge currently glows hottest in this series. 6 points is a big edge in what promises to be a game between two relatively equal team where winning matters more to one team than the other. also, note that, while fox's spartans are 29-8 at home the last two seasons, this game is not played on campus but at the larger greensboro coliseum, where both schools will have equal contingents show up. line shouldn't be 6 playing there.


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elon +6: opening line moved up a point with early speculators so i'll buy in now. these two schools sit a few miles apart in the greensboro/burlington/highpoint triad area of north carolina and were basketball rivals for several years in the southern conference until elon bolted for the more lucrative caa four years ago. for years, the series stayed pretty even with elon holding 14-12 edge until coach mike matheny came to elon 9 years ago. during matheny's tenure, elon is 12-1 and have won the last 12 straight.

in college basketball, there are rivalries within coaching "trees" as well as between schools, and in north carolina there are coaching trees that have evolved through the big four schools of wake, duke, unc and nc state. the unc branch has kansas roots and includes phog allen - dean smith - roy williams. uncg's wes miller falls in here, having played on roy's 2005 nat'l championship team. he game to greensboro in 2011 and turned around a program in tatters, won socon coach of the year a few years ago, and now has the spartans in the upper echelon of the southern conference.

the nc state branch rose out of indiana through everett case - norm sloan -eddie biedenbach (best coach you've never heard of) - bob mckillop. elon coach wes matheny captained his davidson team for bob mckillop. matheny also turned the elon program around, partially prompting the miller hire in greensboro.

all of this leads me to note that, despite his overall success in greensboro, fox has never beaten matheny's elon team. that fact speaks volumes about where the competive edge currently glows hottest in this series. 6 points is a big edge in what promises to be a game between two relatively equal team where winning matters more to one team than the other. also, note that, while fox's spartans are 29-8 at home the last two seasons, this game is not played on campus but at the larger greensboro coliseum, where both schools will have equal contingents show up. line shouldn't be 6 playing there.


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I Concur!!! :yup Also like OVER 142.5 in this affair. Good Luck loophole!!!
 

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well when i'm right i'm right and when i'm wrong i'm extremely fucking wrong. looks like somebody WAS tired of losing. spartans stepped up defensively tonight. sorry about the turd. i'll turn up with something decent this weekend.
 

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If you were 100% none of us would be at the office this morning.

You do great work Brother........Keep it up and have an awesome weekend!
 

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thanks for the support guys. here's a telling post mortem from the greensboro news record account of the game:




UNCG opened the game on a 13-2 scoring run over the first 6 minutes 30 seconds. Smith finished the surge with a layup, a steal and a mid-range jumper.

Smith finished with four steals. And in the media timeout after Smith went to the floor chasing a loose ball, Elon assistant coach Monty Sanders shouted ?They want it more! They just want it more!? as the Phoenix players trudged past him to the bench.
 

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loophole...
when you write up something that is an explanation of why you favor a team or line and lose you get the feeling like you let some people down....god knows how many times I posted long ass boring posts and lost...but that's what this is all about...if we can hit 55% to 60% of these games we are doing pretty good...but I like having someone to explain to me why they like a game...I realize many people here don't have the time to do write ups but they know what their hell they are doing....and I enjoy seeing who they like....many have saved me numerous times by me either passing on the game or switching....love write ups but I might disagree with someone...you and I and every one here have no idea what might happen in a game...I like Zona St tonite...I like Holder and Evans at the gds to give Johnnies defensive problems..Evans and Holder pick up 2 quick fouls and have to sit out 12-14 minutes in the 1st half...everything changes...my thinking advantage is nullified and Johnnie are up 8 at the half..it happens more to centers and post players...their defensive scheme changes..Texas's Mamba was an example the other nite...anyway enjoyed your post...
I hate saying this because its so redundant....

if we all knew here what the hell we were doing we would be all retired doing nothing.. I always say "I would be on a beach in the Caymans" in a beach chair sipping a beer with maybe a lemon in it...and watching a girl go by in a bikini....but my wife might sitting right next to me..damn...

keep your head up and we all appreciate what you do....I sure hope Zona St covers the-5 tonite...lol
 

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thanks box. if i haven't told you before (i think i probably have) i always enjoy reading a coach's breakdown of a game. you go through a game just like i would expect one of my old coach's would - matchups, style of play, etc. im more of a situational handicapper that tries to get into elements not accounted for by the lines-makers.

in that regard, look in #crunchers thread and tell me what you think of the situational components i raised in there. is hurley's team ready for the style of ball the johnnies play. the kansas game looks like a huge lookahead. and then there's those asu kids getting all the media hype this week after breaking into the polls. love to hear your take on all that.
 

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loophole I didn't realize ASU has Kansas on Dunday..if Hersh doesn't mention that I wouldn't of know until probably late tomorrow..and yes that could effect their play tonite...I love the Holder kid...think his style of pay makes the Johnnies adjust..they have no big shot blockers so he can and will penetrate...Johnnies gds on offense are solid but you can penetrate against them..and then Zona can kick out...Zona has the 1 gd who can shoot but forgot his name...Hurley knows the Johnnies..his father probably has seen everyone of their games..and has explained to his son//" this is how you beat them " lol hopefully they don't look ahead..playing at Staple in LA..big lights,crowd,tc,etc...maybe keeps them on earth..
 

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thanks box. interesting point that bobby's dad has probably seen st johns play and can help him prep. i hadn't really considered that. that's what i mean about a coach's perspective. g/l tonight.
 
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