Enough of the "Knock the Ball Down" crap......

[TeeMo]

If you are saying that the he should have knocked the ball down.......then you are wrong. You have either never played the game, coached the game or were not very good at either one. Green Bay defended the play perfectly. They had the receiver surrounded......a guy in the front, one in the back and one on each side. The guy in front got shoved off.......blatant P.I. right there......but no call. That's the first mistake. The guy in back got up higher and got his hands on the football. He cannot knock the ball down right there......knock it down where???? To the receivers gut ??? You can't knock the ball down when you are the defender behind the play guys. The refs scrwed the pooch here......plain and simple. First on the no call of the pass intereference. Then on the guy ..... who was also out of position by the way...... giving credit to Tate for the touchdown.

I won't wager another dime on the NFL until the refs come back. This is just bullshit....... :sadwave:

 

[yyz]

Wrong? I think not.

If GB had defended the play "perfectly", Golden Taint would not have scored a TD. The ball would have been batted into the stands.

But, I'm not here to change you view.

 

[Zamo]

Wrong? I think not.

If GB had defended the play "perfectly", Golden Taint would not have scored a TD. The ball would have been batted into the stands.

But, I'm not here to change you view.

As you know T...I agree with you 100% on this

 

[yyz]

As you know T...I agree with you 100% on this

I know there will always be two camps on most everything. The play was not very common, yet we've seen it several times this season already. Some 'knockdowns' get caught by the receiving team, too......I get it. I blame that on unintelligent swatting of the ball, most of the time. Other times.....it's just the way the ball bounces.

Last night.....all the defender had to do was make sure that ball hit the turf. He didn't do that.

 

[the addict]

played in college...

(only 1.5 years)

very small school...


so i am not here to pretend like I am so all knowing football guru...


i just know and love the game...


what I can tell you is this



when I played, we practiced this literally everyweek...it is 100% a judgement type play...

when the ball goes up, obviously you are coached to evaluate where you are, where the receivers are, where the ball is, and where your teammates are....all of that is easy....what is not easy is to determine where all of those factors will be in 3 seconds when the ball finally reaches the endzone....it is impossible to know where all of those factors will end up....so because of that, we were always coached when all else fails, "KNOCK THAT FUCKIN THING DOWN"....like I said, you simply do not have the time nor the ability to decipher where a receiver will be compared to the ball when it is in the air....to many variables (i.e trajectory, wind, velocity)

so we were always coached to just knock it down, no matter what....

Tee is not wrong tho....we were told if you are able to 100% make a play on it, and it is more appropriate to try and snag it, then do it, but in my experience this is rarely the case, because of what I talked about above, it is nearly impossible to decipher and deterrmine who is around you, and if they can make a play on it if you knock it in a certain direction....thats why they usually say knock it down always....less thinking by the players tends to end up in less mistakes....just go play...



dunno if that came out like I wanted, but I dont think its important at all...

"knock it down and it doesnt matter"

not the case, he made a helluva play, and made a INT, so in no way will i try and say he shouldnt of put them in that position...he did great....


tee is right, cant say the d player did anything wrong...


HE MADE A GAME WINNING INT

 

[Roger Baltrey]

I agree with Teemo but my money says Tee is back on Sunday capping 5-6 games like always. You can't keep a good gambler down. Funny thing about NFL is that they couldn't even get good replacements.

 

[Mr. Poon]

I blame that on unintelligent swatting of the ball, most of the time.

:0002

You are the same type of guy that likely believes Steve Bartman is such an idiot for interfering for trying to catch a foul ball, even if you would be going for the ball sitting next to him.

 

[Zamo]

I played some ball as well and feel like I know a little something about the issue at hand...no expert here....but with such a quick judgement....when you feel the best chance to help your team win a game in that situation is to make a play on the ball than do it. It is a split second decision and you are trained to make a play on the ball OR knock it away....it is easy to say knock it away...but as T pointed out....and what I pointed out as well in another thread....it is all about the situation and what position you are in to make that play on the ball. I feel the WR did the right thing and again agree with T 100%.

 

[yyz]

:0002

You are the same type of guy that likely believes Steve Bartman is such an idiot for interfering for trying to catch a foul ball, even if you would be going for the ball sitting next to him.

Bartman was a fan at a game doing what every other fan would do. (And did do!) Not the same thing.

These guys are all told what to do in that situation, and catching the ball in a crowd, isn't in the book. Sorry.

Just like intercepting a pass 50 yards down the field on 4th down is a no-no, yet these uneducated fucks do that weekly. Why? Well, I can't imagine.

 

[Mr. Poon]

Bartman was a fan at a game doing what every other fan would do. (And did do!) Not the same thing.

These guys are all told what to do in that situation, and catching the ball in a crowd, isn't in the book. Sorry.

Just like intercepting a pass 50 yards down the field on 4th down is a no-no, yet these uneducated fucks do that weekly. Why? Well, I can't imagine.

oh I see, that make sense. Just like it's unreal that a PGA golfer would miss a 5-foot putt to win a major yet you are deadly at that range on your local course.

 

[poolplayer8888]

WRONG..They did play it perfectly and did NOT score a TD

 

[Shleprock]

How about straight from the mouth of former packer allpro safet leroy butler. "first thing you are taught is to violently knock the ball down." However in reality it happens so fast and its instinctive to catch the ball. In this case jennings no doubt in the back of his mind knew the refs would call pass interference on the defense if he breathed on receiver. By jumping over receiver if he touched tate by trying to knock the ball down he would be penalized so in a split second he decides to catch it which he did. I think Butler has a bit more credibility than any one of us. You catch the ball I see no problem with that and I bet if he tries to knock it down by reaching over receiver he gets a penalty he seen the bs call on shields so this is another way these refs affect a game.

 

[yyz]

oh I see, that make sense. Just like it's unreal that a PGA golfer would miss a 5-foot putt to win a major yet you are deadly at that range on your local course.

No, it would be like that PGA golfer picking the putt up, all of the sudden forgetting he has to putt out, like he has been taught since day one.

Quit apologizing for these guys. They don't need you.

 

[Mr. Poon]

Quit apologizing for these guys. They don't need you.

:facepalm:

I'm not apologizing for these guys. People claim you are a pretty sharp witted guy, but this topic proves otherwise.

Don't worry though, go ahead and pick up that last putt. This is just a friendly round and gimme's are allowed. I know you would have made it. :0008

 

[yyz]

:facepalm:

I'm not apologizing for these guys. People claim you are a pretty sharp witted guy, but this topic proves otherwise.

Don't worry though, go ahead and pick up that last putt. This is just a friendly round and gimme's are allowed. I know you would have made it. :0008

I'm sharp enough to not fall for your game. I think that's good enough!

:0074

 

[TeeMo]

I am not saying that it is WRONG to knock the ball down.......if you're the front or side defender. The guy in the back did what he was supposed to do.......he got both hands on the ball and brought it to his chest for an interception. There is nowhere to knock the ball down.....

Anyway.....the refs are back tonight. Hopefully we will get back to just football and proper officiating......

 

[yyz]

I am not saying that it is WRONG to knock the ball down.......if you're the front or side defender. The guy in the back did what he was supposed to do.......he got both hands on the ball and brought it to his chest for an interception. There is nowhere to knock the ball down.....

Anyway.....the refs are back tonight. Hopefully we will get back to just football and proper officiating......

Quick question:


When did we ever have proper officiating? It's been a MAJOR complaint week after week.

I would love to see a "fair fight".......but it will never happen.

 

[TeeMo]

Quick question:


When did we ever have proper officiating? It's been a MAJOR complaint week after week.

I would love to see a "fair fight".......but it will never happen.

:facepalm:

 

[yyz]

:facepalm:

Oh, so you think the regular refs are just swell?

I'll raise your :facepalm: and toss in a couple :mj07: :mj07: "coach".


:lol:

 

[Zamo]

Quick question:


When did we ever have proper officiating? It's been a MAJOR complaint week after week.

I would love to see a "fair fight".......but it will never happen.

That I agree with as well YYZ....It's amazing to me how the public will view these officials going forward...in the past...we all criticized...and they will get standing ovations this weekend...maybe even tonight..... or some type of acknowledgment we have never seen. I will say that I think everyone of us will realize how difficult it is to do their job and nobody is perfect...just happy to have them back.

Refs do have favorites and give leverage to established high profile players....that wont change.

I am just hopeful that rules of instant replay/ability to overturn bad calls/ what is and isn't reviewable will help the league in the future moving forward