families of 14 mexican illegals want $42 million from the us

AR182

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i'm sorry to see these people die, but i don't think that the us should pay any money for people breaking the law.


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U.S. liable for border-crosser deaths?

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Posted: May 8, 2003
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? 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

The families of 14 illegal Mexican immigrants who died of dehydration while crossing the hot Arizona desert have filed a $42 million lawsuit against the U.S. Department of the Interior, claiming it failed to help them survive.

The lawsuit, filed April 30 in U.S. District Court in Tucson, claims federal border policy forced the immigrants to enter the country through the treacherous area southwest of Tucson known to have little water. Border Patrol agents found the immigrants on May 23, 2001 in the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge.

The 14 are among hundreds of undocumented immigrants that have succumbed to the 100-degree temperatures in the desert region since October 2001, according to Border Patrol statistics.

The lawsuit also alleges the department could have prevented the deaths if it hadn't blocked the humanitarian-aid measures of a group called Humane Borders. Two months prior, the human rights organization was refused permission to place a water station "in the exact area" where the crossers died, according to the suit.

Environmental concern reportedly trumped that over the Mexicans.

Robin Hoover, pastor of First Christian Church and president of Humane Borders, told the Associated Press and Arizona Star the application for the water station was denied over concerns for the endangered Sonoran pronghorn antelope.

"They've got all kinds of critters. They also seem to have some human beings running around out there," James Metcalf, one of three attorneys who filed the lawsuit, told the Arizona Star. "These folks are still human beings who die at alarming frequencies, and they're aware of that," he said.

The day after the 14 bodies were recovered, according to the lawsuit, wildlife officials placed seven Humane Borders flags marking water stations migrants could use. Metcalf maintains this shows culpability on the part of the Interior.

"By allowing water stations in areas where it formerly prohibited them and by setting up emergency call boxes to save the lives of illegal entrants in the desert, the government has acknowledged people need help to make the journey, he told the Arizona Star. "The government doesn't assume responsibility unless they in fact have one."

Worse than the lack of compassion, asserts Hoover, is the escalating violence at the border, including the presence of citizen militias taking border security into their own hands.

"We're very concerned that the Border Patrol's attitude is becoming more militarized," Hoover told the Tucson Citizen. "We think the Border Patrol's job is truly a law enforcement style of public service and not military."

WorldNetDaily has reported the Mexican border increasingly resembles a war zone as drug and illegal-migrant smugglers pull out all the stops to defy U.S. agents. In 2000, the Juarez cartel, one of Mexico's biggest drug gangs, placed a bounty of $200,000 on U.S. lawmen.

Following the announcement, Border Patrol officers reported instances of "armed incursions" into U.S. territory by heavily armed Mexican army units. In March 2000, two Mexican army Humvees carrying about 16 soldiers, armed with automatic assault rifles, pistols and a submachine gun drove across the international boundary near Santa Teresa, New Mexico and shot at Border Patrol agents.

Then in March 2002, a Border Patrol officer encountered four heavily armed Mexican army soldiers on the U.S. side of the border near San Diego. The soldiers, armed with three submachine guns and one M-16 rifle, crossed the border near Tecate, Mexico, while on a counter-drug mission.

The shooting death of a park ranger in Arizona's Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument last August prompted calls for more security on the U.S. border. The 28-year-old ranger was killed as he and Border Patrol agents closed in on two gunmen suspected of having ties to Mexican drug lords.

"We have to put the military down here; we have to help these people," Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., the head of the House Immigration Reform Caucus, declared at the time.

Then there are security concerns beyond smugglers.

WorldNetDaily reported last month a southern Texas sheriff put out a public warning that unidentified armed men dressed in military fatigues, carrying "professional backpacks" and walking together in a military cadence have been spotted on numerous occasions in his county near the border with Mexico.

Despite the risks, The Tucson Citizen reports some 3,000 migrants make it across the border successfully every day.

The lawsuit seeks about $3 million for each of the 14 who failed.

Wes Bramhall, president of Arizonans for Immigration Control, condemned the lawsuit.

"It's ridiculous," he told the Arizona Star. "These people knew what they were doing. They knew they were breaking the law."
 

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ILL TELL YOU WHAT THESE GOD DAM MEXICANS WOULD GET THE MONEY IF MASSACHUSETTS WAS THE BORDERING STATE WITH THE 2 LIBERAL PUSSIES WE HAVE IN OFFICE TED I DIDNT KNOW THE BRIDGE DIDNT HAVE A GAURD RAIL KENNEDY AND HIS SIDE KICK LIBERAL PUSSY JOHN DONT CALL ME THERESA HEINZ KERRY.WHERE ELSE CAN YOU HAVE SAME SEX MARRIAGES AND YOUR CONGRESMAN BARNEY FAG I MEAN FRANK IS THE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE UNBELIEVABLE HOW F-CKED UP MY STATE IS.NO DEATH PENALTY,PRIEST WHO ABUSE KIDS EVERYWHERE MAN THEY SHOULD HANG THESE NO GOOD BASTARDS,OUR TAXES GO UP EVERY YEAR TO SUPPORT SINGLE LESBIAN MOTHERS AND THERE 10 ADOPTED KEEDS.BOYS THE OTHER DAY I WENT TO HAVE AN ICE CREAM CONE IN A LESBIAN COMMUNITY JAMAICA PLAIN AND YOU GUESSED IT BROAD DAYLIGHT AND A BIG FAT LESBIAN IS BREAST FEEDING HER SON LIKE IT WAS NOTHING.I FELT LIKE SAYING DO I HAVE TO WATCH THIS YOU BIG TUB OF SH-T BUT SHE WAS A LOT BIGGER THAN ME AND I DIDNT WANT TO TAKE THE CHANCE OF HER KICKING MY :moon: IN FRONT OF OTHERS.SO BOTTOM LINE IF YOU ARE MEXICAN OR ANY OTHER FREE LOADING GENDER OR RACE ESPECIALLY RUSSIAN MOVE TO MASSACHUSETTS TED KENNEDY AND JOHN KERRY WILL MAKE SURE THE TAX PAYERS TAKE CARE OF YOU.:thefinger :thefinger
 

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I am surprised they are not referred to as 'Undocumented Immigrants.' Thats the term most in use out here- trying the psychological approach so as to seem less offensive. Also the American Lawyers sought out these people. What would you do w/someone telling you the US OWES you$ for the deaths? Same thing happens when a car or truck is w/Illegals gets in a wreck, (Police 's fault), or they are hit trying to escape, (brutality). Where does responsibility for one's actions come into play? Now they want Illegals to all be licensed so they can vote- Politician's know an opportunity when it arises. Remember Elian Gonzales? The Cubans said it was his mother's dying wish for him to get to the States. How responsible is it to take a young boy into the Atlantic in a raft? I am in no way saying the loss of life is not horrible, but Illegals get reduced College tuition too. I went to College 22 miles away in another state and had to pay 3 times in- state tuition? I'm a rich american I guess- even though @ the time I just got out of the service and was single. Can't see anything changing at all as if you say anything you are prejudiced or inhumane. Plus don't ever get in an accident in the southwest. The Illegals who don't even have a license much less insurance just walk away. The Police just shrug and say what can you do? same does not apply to an American- better have a valid DL and insurance. Wife got hit 10 years ago by 3 young Mexicans speeding and all under 18. guess who paid?
Isn't there a better way or should we just have open borders?:shrug:
 
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maybe we can plant mines in the desert area where the little mexicanos run across.
Then again, can't we please just build a wall?
 

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AR182 -- You're in the southwest. What do you think about the illegals? Crack down? Look the other way?

I've never lived anywhere that its a big issue. One hears lots of complaints about the drain on resources and that kind of thing, but one also hears that they're cheap labor and that the big agri-business (in the pockets of both parties, presumably) wants them there.

This lawsuit is another matter -- it sounds completely ridiculous. But I've heard that a lot of people in Texas, Zona, Cali aren't exactly complaining about the affordable work force that's easy to keep in line.

I don't really have an opinion on the matter. Just wondering your take. . .
 

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shrimp,

my opinion on this has changed post 9/11. previously it didn't bother me because my landscaper uses them as helpers & a friend rents apartments to them in so. phoenix. so they were useful in my eyes. but after 9/11 & starting to read about all of the border problems that take place daily, i think it's very important that we crack down on illegal immigration. i read somewhere that we pay around $100 million in taxes that go into medical care, housing, schooling, etc. for illegals from all over the world. i think that we should use that money for tighter border security, & for supplemental medical care for our seniors & care for the workers who were layed off as a result of 9/11 & those who were affected by the corp. corruption (enron, mci, etc.). (thats some run on sentence there...lol)
 

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i`m sorry board attorneys

i`m sorry board attorneys

but this is a lawyer problem...... these guys are assholes...we need to go to a system where the loser pays....if a frivolous case is brought,the loser is responsible for footing the bill....maybe that would halt some of this nonsense...something should be done...there are people who make a living suing other people....one case after another....

unfotunately,the law lobby is immensely powerful...i suspect they may a part of the roadblock to getting our ridiculously complex taxation system streamlined and overhauled.....
 

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yep...they have turned our courts into a free lottery....who can hit the jackpot?

and guess who pays for this sh1t?
 

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agree gardenweasel, barratry in its worst form. probability is this case will be settled for some token relief for the illegals and a seven digit attorneys fee payment from the gov't. maybe the justice dept. will have a sac and stand firm. this case has no chance of prevailing at trial.
 
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