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--just a little prelude to O and companies agenda after the healthcare fiasco.

Will add what we can expect on utilties next.

Of course there will be subsides for Da Base on utilities- as on healthcare --so no reasons for everyone to get upset--only the productive :)


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http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/fuel-taxes-must-rise-harvard-researchers-say/

March 2, 2010, 6:35 pm <!-- date updated --><!-- <abbr class="updated" title="2010-03-02T18:35:21+00:00">— Updated: 6:35 pm</abbr> --><!-- Title -->
Fuel Taxes Must Rise, Harvard Researchers Say

<!-- Byline --><ADDRESS class="byline author vcard">By SINDYA N. BHANOO</ADDRESS><!-- The Content -->To meet the Obama administration?s targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions, some researchers say, Americans may have to experience a sobering reality: gas at $7 a gallon.
To reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the transportation sector 14 percent from 2005 levels by 2020, the cost of driving must simply increase, according to a forthcoming report by researchers at Harvard?s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
The 14 percent target was set in the Environmental Protection Agency?s budget for fiscal 2010.
In their study, the researchers devised several combinations of steps that United States policymakers might take in trying to address the heat-trapping emissions by the nation?s transportation sector, which consume 70 percent of the oil used in the United States.
Most of their models assumed an economy-wide carbon dioxide tax starting at $30 a ton in 2010 and escalating to $60 a ton in 2030. In some cases researchers also factored in tax credits for electric and hybrid vehicles, taxes on fuel or both.
In the modeling, it turned out that issuing tax credits could backfire, while taxes on fuel proved beneficial.
?Tax credits don?t address how much people use their cars,? said Ross Morrow, one of the report?s authors. ?In reverse, they can make people drive more.?
Dr. Morrow, formerly a fellow at the Belfer Center, is a professor of mechanical engineering and economics at Iowa State University
Researchers said that vehicle miles traveled will increase by more than 30 percent between 2010 and 2030 unless policymakers increase fuel taxes.
 

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--just a little prelude to O and companies agenda after the healthcare fiasco.

Will add what we can expect on utilties next.

Of course there will be subsides for Da Base on utilities- as on healthcare --so no reasons for everyone to get upset--only the productive :)


NYT
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/fuel-taxes-must-rise-harvard-researchers-say/

March 2, 2010, 6:35 pm <!-- date updated --><!-- <abbr class="updated" title="2010-03-02T18:35:21+00:00">? Updated: 6:35 pm</abbr> --><!-- Title -->
Fuel Taxes Must Rise, Harvard Researchers Say

<!-- Byline --><ADDRESS class="byline author vcard">By SINDYA N. BHANOO</ADDRESS><!-- The Content -->To meet the Obama administration?s targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions, some researchers say, Americans may have to experience a sobering reality: gas at $7 a gallon.
To reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the transportation sector 14 percent from 2005 levels by 2020, the cost of driving must simply increase, according to a forthcoming report by researchers at Harvard?s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
The 14 percent target was set in the Environmental Protection Agency?s budget for fiscal 2010.
In their study, the researchers devised several combinations of steps that United States policymakers might take in trying to address the heat-trapping emissions by the nation?s transportation sector, which consume 70 percent of the oil used in the United States.
Most of their models assumed an economy-wide carbon dioxide tax starting at $30 a ton in 2010 and escalating to $60 a ton in 2030. In some cases researchers also factored in tax credits for electric and hybrid vehicles, taxes on fuel or both.
In the modeling, it turned out that issuing tax credits could backfire, while taxes on fuel proved beneficial.
?Tax credits don?t address how much people use their cars,? said Ross Morrow, one of the report?s authors. ?In reverse, they can make people drive more.?
Dr. Morrow, formerly a fellow at the Belfer Center, is a professor of mechanical engineering and economics at Iowa State University
Researchers said that vehicle miles traveled will increase by more than 30 percent between 2010 and 2030 unless policymakers increase fuel taxes.

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Here's another way to look at the utilities/energy issues, compared to the healthcare issue. How many public discussions did we have when the Bush Administration (READ: DICK CHENEY) held the closed door meetings with only republicans and oil/energy corporation executives to create our energy plan? How did that work out for the oil/energy companies? Were Americans well-served by that process?

I don't remember seeing George Bush appear before any groups of Democrats to discuss issues of ANY kind. I don't remember an energy roundtable, and any subsequent Bush suggestions to implement democratic ideas that came from those discussions, or legislators at all. Oh, yeah, they were banned from the meetings.

I guess you have to take extreme measures when you are BLOCKED from the democratic process, eh?
 

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So true TU.

DTB, I know it scares the hell out of you, but you might wnat to use your own words in the future.

Hedge, have anymore "on topic" responses to this thread --:142smilie
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Just thought you might have an answer :shrug:

I should wait till we are are pass the heallthcare tax and spend agenda until we move to the tax and trade.

You and TU might want to give us your odds on taxing carbon getting passed on to consumer. :)

--I'll give you my odds on similiar issue-

Those that support redistribution of wealth-- are overwhelming favs to be on receiving end of the distribution. :SIB
 

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Just thought you might have an answer :shrug:

I should wait till we are are pass the heallthcare tax and spend agenda until we move to the tax and trade.

You and TU might want to give us your odds on taxing carbon getting passed on to consumer. :)

--I'll give you my odds on similiar issue-

Those that support redistribution of wealth-- are overwhelming favs to be on receiving end of the distribution. :SIB

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You still don't get it! Ask Jack to have your thread deleted while you can. I never thought I'd see the day. Thank you!
 
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