Final Throes of Insurgency or Mission accomplished

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no matter which liar you choose to believe the cold stark reality is that things are not getting better! We can glorify a passage of a constitution as a landmark but in reality this paper is basically worthless as we have created a training grounds for terrorists and due to the incompetence of the administration our soliders are in the line of fire due to the lack of a plan for both occupying and exiting Iraq. Even this far into the war the administration still has no ideas on what to do, al lwe keep hearing is we must follow through and to trust our judgement.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Six American soldiers were killed in separate attacks Monday and a Marine died in action the day before, making October the deadliest month for U.S. troops in Iraq since January. U.S. jets struck insurgent targets near the Syrian border and at least six people were killed.


Four soldiers from the Army's Task Force Baghdad soldiers died Monday when their patrol struck a roadside bomb in Youssifiyah, 12 miles south of Baghdad in an area known as the "triangle of death."

Two other soldiers from the 29th Brigade Combat Team were also killed in a bombing Monday near Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad. The U.S. military also said a Marine was killed Sunday near Amiriyah, 25 miles west of Baghdad.

Those deaths raised the death toll for October to more than 90, the highest monthly total since January when 107 American service members died. The latest deaths brought to 2,025 the number of U.S. service members who have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003.

In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said there is no readily apparent explanation for why the number of U.S. casualties was higher in October than in previous months. But he said the insurgents' roadside bombs ? which the military calls improvised explosive devices, or IEDs ? are getting more sophisticated.

"We see an adversary that continues to develop some sophistication on very deadly and increasingly precise stand-off type weapons ? IEDs, in particular. They're obviously quite capable of killing large numbers of noncombatants indiscriminately, and we're seeing a lot of that, too," Di Rita told reporters.

The insurgents continually search for new and more effective ways to use IEDs, he said, while U.S. forces look for new ways to counter the IED threat.

"We're getting more intelligence that's allowing us to stop more of these things, find more of them. So we're learning from them (the insurgents) and the enemy is learning from us, and it's going to be that way for as long as there is an insurgency," Di Rita said.

Before dawn Monday, Marines backed by jets attacked insurgent positions near the Syrian border, destroying two safe houses believed use by al-Qaida figures, a U.S. statement said. The statement made no mention of casualties, but Associated Press Television News video from the scene showed residents wailing over the bodies of about six people, including at least three children.

At the local hospital, Dr. Ahmed al-Ani claimed 40 Iraqis, including 12 children, were killed in the attack. But the claim could not be independently verified.

APTN footage from the scene showed Iraqi men digging through the rubble of several destroyed concrete buildings with a pitchfork or their hands. In the building of a nearby home, women cried over the bodies of about half a dozen blanket-covered bodies lined up on a floor. Some of the blankets were opened for the camera showing a man and three children.

"At least 20 innocent people were killed by the U.S. warplanes. Why are the Americans killing families? Where are the insurgents?" one middle-aged man told APTN. "We don't see democracy. We just see destruction." He didn't give his name.

Elsewhere, two separate mortar attacks in Baghdad and northern Iraq killed three Iraqi people and wounded 11 on Monday.

In other strikes in the capital, two car bombs and five drive-by shootings killed five Iraqis and wounded 10, police said. The body of an Iraqi civilian who had been kidnapped and killed in captivity also was found dumped on a city street.

Iraq's government has had two important victories in October: a national referendum that adopted a new constitution and the start of the mass murder trial of Saddam Hussein.

But the insurgents also have been killing coalition forces and Iraqi civilians with roadside and suicide car bombs that seem more powerful and sophisticated than before, based on technology that British officials say apparently originated in neighboring Iran.

The constitution also was adopted despite strong opposition from minority Sunni Arabs, many of whom think the document unfairly favors majority Shiites and Kurds.

On Friday and Saturday, U.S. and Iraqi forces conducted several raids in Baghdad, detaining 98 suspected insurgents and finding large weapons caches, the U.S. command said Monday.

One cache, found hidden in a building in a second-story crawl space beneath a bathtub, included 13 AK-47 assault rifles, three machine guns, 20 AK-47 barrels, a pistol, U.S. currency and an ammunition stockpile, the military said.
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Chadman

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Hey, it takes hard work. This is not an easy process. We have to stay the course. The fact of the matter is, it's going to take a lot more of our time, money and lives before we turn these people loose to conduct their civil war against themselves and the people that hate everything about democracy and we have to go back and do this all over again.

Lighten up, you unpatriotic pansies.
 

Marco

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There will be an insurgency as long as we are over there, and it will continue when we leave. They are opposed to our occupation and opposed to the new government being shoved down their throat.

Train them and get the fvck out. The only difference will be who is doing the bleeding and dying.

Train these goofs and let them get on with their religious gong show by themselves.

We're clearly not pursuing OBL and the rest of the war and all this democracy BS has been run inept from the start and continues to this day.

Train them and get the fvck out.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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"There will be an insurgency as long as we are over there, and it will continue when we leave. They are opposed to our occupation and opposed to the new government being shoved down their throat."
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I assume when you say "they" you mean the insurgents--As per voting records a lot bigger % turns out there than here and no one forced them to go vote in fact they did it at extreme risk.
They had about 26,000 die including their military and civilians and they are still fighting and wanting bigger role role in operations.

There will be insurgents everywhere-always.
You can either fight them or take the French approach.

By the way--Is it true the French tanks have one forward gear and 4 in reverse????
 

djv

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Give it a couple of more years it will all just go away. After all we won two years ago so its really been over for that long. Just ask Bush. Where's the problem.
 

Marco

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"I assume when you mean "they" you mean the insurgents..."

When I say "they" I am talking about the whole area over there and their stauch adherence to religious values and placing the Koran above everything else including government and human life....

We aren't chasing OBL, have no clue where he is, and it will do no good to train these backwoods raghead hillbillies to take care of themselves.

They are quite content fighting and feuding over there and blowing each other to bits, has happened over there since two people lived there.

I don't give a $hit about sob stories about Saddam killing 100,000 of them and burying them in some mass grave, they deserve some a$$hole like that in their lives if they haven't been able to get their $hit together and live on this planet without rioting because their bible gets placed in stale air.

Let these a$$holes blow each other up like Israel/Palestine has done for decades, and get on with the task of getting the major problems in the USA solved.

It took a hell of a long time for the government to get involved with the mess down in the South with the flooding but when Afghan had that earthquake they were there to help practically overnight.

It's long past due that our government take care of it's own country, and dump all these nations we help that will backstab us somewhere down the road.

Plain and simply put, IT'S NOT OUR JOB!
 
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