Florida Gators Vs Michigan - KOD
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you have been around long enough to know the answer , so I can only surmise its one of them trick questions, and if I say yes, you say...
you fawking chalk eater !
KOD
With Lloyd Carr's pending departure the majority of attention regarding the Michigan coaching search will focus on who the new head man will be. However, one of the biggest dynamic shifts will be who stays and who goes among the assistant coaches. Michigan has, depending on your point of view, either a very deep or very shallow coaching pool. Certain coaches are legitimate up and coming stars (QB coach Scott Loeffler). Others are being escorted out the door faster than a two day old can of opened tuna, in July (DeBord). But there are a number of coaches you may not know much about whose return or departure will have a significant affect on Michigan's future.
OFFENSE
Mike DeBord - Offensive Coordinator
No chance. If Brian's recent post on DeBord's tenure at CMU doesn't convince you he's gone, the OSU game should. DeBord is one of the most confusing coaches on Michigan's staff. When faced with a challenge, more often than not he delivers 30+ points and a Michigan win. When Michigan plays a team like Northwestern or Iowa, all of a sudden Michigan is incapable of exploiting an opposition weakness. It's maddening as a fan.
The lack of consistency and the inability to fashion an even remotely rational game plan against the majority of Michigan's opponents means he's gone.
Scott Loeffler - Quarterbacks Coach
Loeffler's been the golden boy around Michigan for the last few years and he's a proven recruiter. He recruited Chad Henne. He recruited Ryan Mallett. He turned John Navarre into one of Michigan's greatest quarterbacks He's a coach with a very bright future.
However, Chad Henne regressed in his senior season. Ryan Mallett looked every bit the freshman he was this season. Batted balls continue to be a problem for Michigan quarterbacks.
Like so many of Michigan's coaches, Loeffler's fate will be determined by who takes over at Michigan.
Rich Rodriguez takes over my guess is Loeffler's gone. But as one of the brighter stars on the sidelines for Michigan, he's even money to be retained.
Erik Campbell - Wide Receiver/Assistant Head Coach
Campbell is in his thirteenth year with Michigan as a coach. He's paid his dues. He's pounded the pavement as a recruiter. He's turned out some of the best receivers Michigan's ever seen. He played for Michigan at the same time Les Miles was coaching there in 1987. He played for Bo.
I'd be shocked if he was handed his walking papers, especially with Arrington (and possibly Manningham [ed note: Mario is pure speculation on my part]) leaning towards returning to Ann Arbor.
Andy Moeller - Offensive Line Coach
Gone, goneity,gonegonegonegone. On paper it doesn't seem to make sense to revel in the canning of a coordinator who can claim some level of credit for Jake Long, David Baas, and Tony Pape. But that's why they play the game. The Michigan line was a disaster this year :scared despite having three returning starters and 5 players with starting experience returning. The regressions of Steve Schilling, Adam Kraus, and Justin Boren can only be blamed on injuries for so long. On one hand you can say Moeller's lines have produced 1,000 yard rushers in Chris Perry and Mike Hart. On the other hand, you can point out those 1,000 yard seasons were more the result of the running back's awesomeness rather than any semblance of competence on the line.
Fred Jackson - Running Backs Coach
Initially, I thought Jackson's return will more than likely hinge on who the new HC is. However, now that he's interviewing for the Duke job and likely any one of the multiple positions that recently opened up, he's probably on his way out anyway.
DEFENSE
Ron English - Defensive Coordinator
Tough call on whether he's gone or not. I'm inclined to give English the boot, especially after the Wisconsin game, or the Northwestern game, or the Oregon game, or the Appalachian State game, et al. While I acknowledge Michigan wasn't nearly as talented as we believed on defense this year, the defensive scheming this season was terrible. Against Appalachian State and Oregon, Michigan stunted itself out of position and left both Qbs free to run a will. Unless a coach was trying to give the game away (Illinois), Michigan has struggled all season.
I can't endorse a coach whose players turn into Smurfs at the site of a mobile quarterback. I can't believe he'd be retained when Michigan was crushed by a Wisconsin rushing attack that didn't have its starting tailback!
The defensive line (save Terrance Taylor) never lived up to its billing, Sean Crable was more DE than LB, and the remaining LBs had never played prior to this year.
Steve Strippling - Defensive Line Coach
Real question mark. Terrance Taylor was good this year but no one else was. Tim Jamison and will Johnson were invisible for large chunks of the year and none of Michigan's backups came into their own or managed to soak up any real contributory minutes.
Unlike last year, the line was eaten alive on running plays. There are some mitigating factors to consider: 1) with the unmitigated disaster at Linebacker it's hard to really judge the line on rushing play; 2) coming into the year only Taylor was a starter, and he benefited greatly from having Alan Branch next to him; 3) Brandon Graham played most of the year hurt and as a DE for the first time; and 4) the line was either a bench warmer for the last two seasons or a sophomore or younger. Not exactly easy trying making a Mercedes out of balsa wood and elmers glue.
Steve Szabo - Linebackers Coach
Yes, Shawn Crable was still undisciplined this year. Yes, no matter how much we prayed Chris Graham and Obi Ezeh never turned into Dan Connor or Lauranitis. Yes, the linebackers caused the most cursing and throwing of objects of any position on Michigan's team this year.
All that said, any coach that gets rid of Szabo would be crazy.
Szabo has zeroed in on top linebacker recruits and gets credit for the commitments of JB Fitzgerald and Marcus Weatherspoon. Actual linebackers. People we need. Szabo's got proven NFL connections that recruits love and actually managed to turn Obi Ezeh into a mediocre linebacker by the end of the year. Remember, Ezeh had NEVER played linebacker prior to this spring.
Vance Bedford - Secondary Coach
Somewhat of a wildcard. A former Michigan DB coach and a fairly accomplished defensive backs coach in the NFL, Bedford got his shot as a defensive coordinator with the Oklahoma State Cowboys from 2005-2006. In 2005 Oklahoma State was 95th in total defense and 107th in rushing defense. They improved to 89th and 72nd in rushing defense in 2006. These stellar numbers earned Bedford his walking papers.
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When this many coachs are thinking about having jobs next year, its got to affect players performance, attitudes, practices, etc.
None of this crap going on for the Florida Gator Nation.
OFFENSE
Mike DeBord - Offensive Coordinator
No chance. If Brian's recent post on DeBord's tenure at CMU doesn't convince you he's gone, the OSU game should. DeBord is one of the most confusing coaches on Michigan's staff. When faced with a challenge, more often than not he delivers 30+ points and a Michigan win. When Michigan plays a team like Northwestern or Iowa, all of a sudden Michigan is incapable of exploiting an opposition weakness. It's maddening as a fan.
The lack of consistency and the inability to fashion an even remotely rational game plan against the majority of Michigan's opponents means he's gone.
Scott Loeffler - Quarterbacks Coach
Loeffler's been the golden boy around Michigan for the last few years and he's a proven recruiter. He recruited Chad Henne. He recruited Ryan Mallett. He turned John Navarre into one of Michigan's greatest quarterbacks He's a coach with a very bright future.
However, Chad Henne regressed in his senior season. Ryan Mallett looked every bit the freshman he was this season. Batted balls continue to be a problem for Michigan quarterbacks.
Like so many of Michigan's coaches, Loeffler's fate will be determined by who takes over at Michigan.
Rich Rodriguez takes over my guess is Loeffler's gone. But as one of the brighter stars on the sidelines for Michigan, he's even money to be retained.
Erik Campbell - Wide Receiver/Assistant Head Coach
Campbell is in his thirteenth year with Michigan as a coach. He's paid his dues. He's pounded the pavement as a recruiter. He's turned out some of the best receivers Michigan's ever seen. He played for Michigan at the same time Les Miles was coaching there in 1987. He played for Bo.
I'd be shocked if he was handed his walking papers, especially with Arrington (and possibly Manningham [ed note: Mario is pure speculation on my part]) leaning towards returning to Ann Arbor.
Andy Moeller - Offensive Line Coach
Gone, goneity,gonegonegonegone. On paper it doesn't seem to make sense to revel in the canning of a coordinator who can claim some level of credit for Jake Long, David Baas, and Tony Pape. But that's why they play the game. The Michigan line was a disaster this year :scared despite having three returning starters and 5 players with starting experience returning. The regressions of Steve Schilling, Adam Kraus, and Justin Boren can only be blamed on injuries for so long. On one hand you can say Moeller's lines have produced 1,000 yard rushers in Chris Perry and Mike Hart. On the other hand, you can point out those 1,000 yard seasons were more the result of the running back's awesomeness rather than any semblance of competence on the line.
Fred Jackson - Running Backs Coach
Initially, I thought Jackson's return will more than likely hinge on who the new HC is. However, now that he's interviewing for the Duke job and likely any one of the multiple positions that recently opened up, he's probably on his way out anyway.
DEFENSE
Ron English - Defensive Coordinator
Tough call on whether he's gone or not. I'm inclined to give English the boot, especially after the Wisconsin game, or the Northwestern game, or the Oregon game, or the Appalachian State game, et al. While I acknowledge Michigan wasn't nearly as talented as we believed on defense this year, the defensive scheming this season was terrible. Against Appalachian State and Oregon, Michigan stunted itself out of position and left both Qbs free to run a will. Unless a coach was trying to give the game away (Illinois), Michigan has struggled all season.
I can't endorse a coach whose players turn into Smurfs at the site of a mobile quarterback. I can't believe he'd be retained when Michigan was crushed by a Wisconsin rushing attack that didn't have its starting tailback!
The defensive line (save Terrance Taylor) never lived up to its billing, Sean Crable was more DE than LB, and the remaining LBs had never played prior to this year.
Steve Strippling - Defensive Line Coach
Real question mark. Terrance Taylor was good this year but no one else was. Tim Jamison and will Johnson were invisible for large chunks of the year and none of Michigan's backups came into their own or managed to soak up any real contributory minutes.
Unlike last year, the line was eaten alive on running plays. There are some mitigating factors to consider: 1) with the unmitigated disaster at Linebacker it's hard to really judge the line on rushing play; 2) coming into the year only Taylor was a starter, and he benefited greatly from having Alan Branch next to him; 3) Brandon Graham played most of the year hurt and as a DE for the first time; and 4) the line was either a bench warmer for the last two seasons or a sophomore or younger. Not exactly easy trying making a Mercedes out of balsa wood and elmers glue.
Steve Szabo - Linebackers Coach
Yes, Shawn Crable was still undisciplined this year. Yes, no matter how much we prayed Chris Graham and Obi Ezeh never turned into Dan Connor or Lauranitis. Yes, the linebackers caused the most cursing and throwing of objects of any position on Michigan's team this year.
All that said, any coach that gets rid of Szabo would be crazy.
Szabo has zeroed in on top linebacker recruits and gets credit for the commitments of JB Fitzgerald and Marcus Weatherspoon. Actual linebackers. People we need. Szabo's got proven NFL connections that recruits love and actually managed to turn Obi Ezeh into a mediocre linebacker by the end of the year. Remember, Ezeh had NEVER played linebacker prior to this spring.
Vance Bedford - Secondary Coach
Somewhat of a wildcard. A former Michigan DB coach and a fairly accomplished defensive backs coach in the NFL, Bedford got his shot as a defensive coordinator with the Oklahoma State Cowboys from 2005-2006. In 2005 Oklahoma State was 95th in total defense and 107th in rushing defense. They improved to 89th and 72nd in rushing defense in 2006. These stellar numbers earned Bedford his walking papers.
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When this many coachs are thinking about having jobs next year, its got to affect players performance, attitudes, practices, etc.
None of this crap going on for the Florida Gator Nation.
December 30, 2007
BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
ORLANDO -- Something was wrong. Chad Henne knew that much. But what was it?
Why, on the morning of Nov. 10, did his right shoulder feel "kind of pully, kind of stringy," as he warmed up to face Wisconsin?
Michigan doctors had just given Henne, the team's star quarterback, a cortisone shot to numb his shoulder, which Henne had dislocated three weeks earlier at Illinois. Still, the shoulder did not feel right.
"So I went back in the locker room and said, 'Something feels stretchy back here,' " Henne recalled. "They said, 'We'll put a little bit more in.' They didn't use a lot. So they put a little bit more in."
On Michigan's first two plays from scrimmage, Henne performed the easiest of quarterbacking tasks: He took the snap and handed off to tailback Carlos Brown. But this time, the handoffs were not simple. Henne felt like he had no control over the ball.
Henne threw five passes and somehow completed three of them. But he knew he wasn't right, and after his fifth pass floated into the hands of a Wisconsin defender, he left the game.
One of the cortisone shots had hit a nerve, numbing Henne from the shoulder down to his fingers.
Trainer Paul Schmidt, who has worked at Michigan since 1986, told Henne he had never seen it happen.
"It's like you and I both walking outside of this hotel and both simultaneously being struck by lightning," U-M quarterbacks coach Scot Loeffler said Saturday. "It was something that never happens. It was like one out of five million. It was ridiculous.
"The doctor said he could never do it again the rest of his life."
The big 'what if'
On the morning of the Wisconsin game, Michigan was 8-2, riding an eight-game winning streak. The week before, Henne had returned from his injury to throw four touchdown passes against Michigan State.
In retrospect, Michigan probably only needed to win one of its final two games to make the Rose Bowl. A win over Ohio State would have clinched the outright Big Ten title. A win over Wisconsin, followed by a loss to Ohio State, would have given U-M a share of the conference championship, and the Rose Bowl likely would have chosen 9-3 Michigan over 9-3 Illinois, because the Wolverines had beaten the Illini.
Instead, U-M lost to both Wisconsin and Ohio State and landed in the Capital One Bowl. Henne and his backup, freshman Ryan Mallett, combined to complete 26 of 78 passes against the Badgers and Buckeyes.
The performance against Ohio State was particularly galling. Henne completed just 11 of 34 passes for 68 yards. Part of the problem was that Michigan receivers dropped several balls, and of course, part of it was Ohio State's stellar defense.
But a lot of it was that Henne was a shell of himself. The nerve in his shoulder was no longer numb, but the shot had delayed his rehabilitation. Henne had not lifted weights in a month.
"My arm ... there's no muscle around it," Henne said. "My strength is still there but it's (decreasing), kind of weekly."
Said Loeffler: "We went for four weeks where the only time that he picked up his shoulder to throw a football would be on Saturday after he had his shot. We were living on borrowed time."
Henne and his teammates had pointed to the Ohio State game for 11 months. The quarterback was determined to play through it.
In the first half, Henne hurt his shoulder again. He thought he was finished for the day. He went in to get another cortisone shot, and the coaches gave him the option of sitting. But he wanted to play.
Michigan lost, 14-3. The Wolverines accumulated only 91 total yards. Ohio State coach Jim Tressel stuck with an ultra-conservative game plan, confident that U-M would not move down the field against his defense.
Anyway, the point here is not that if Henne were healthy, Michigan would have beaten Ohio State or made the Rose Bowl. Nobody knows that. The point is that Henne never really got the chance.
Chad Henne, like the rest of Michigan's seniors, pointed to the Ohio State game all season. The Ohio State game is when U-M quarterbacks create their most lasting memories. Henne will forever be 0-4 against the Buckeyes.
Henne had dislocated his throwing shoulder Oct. 20 in Champaign, Ill. The injury occurred midway through the first quarter.
"When I walked into the locker room at Illinois at halftime and looked at his shoulder ... when Lloyd Carr says after the game how courageous he was, that's an understatement," Loeffler said. "I've never seen a quarterback play with a truly dislocated shoulder."
What Henne did that night should remain part of Michigan lore for years. When Henne would reach his hands underneath the center, his shoulder would pop out. He had to pop it back in before taking the snap.
Pretty soon, Henne was on the headset with U-M's offensive coaches, begging for more plays out of the shotgun. The sheer force of the center's snap hitting his hands was popping his shoulder out of its socket.
"People don't understand how tough Chad Henne really is," Loeffler said. "That's why we were in the shotgun."
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So let me get this correct here. Michigan missed out on the Rose Bowl and landed in the Capital One bowl against the Suck Ass Florida Gators.
:SIB :scared :00hour
BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
ORLANDO -- Something was wrong. Chad Henne knew that much. But what was it?
Why, on the morning of Nov. 10, did his right shoulder feel "kind of pully, kind of stringy," as he warmed up to face Wisconsin?
Michigan doctors had just given Henne, the team's star quarterback, a cortisone shot to numb his shoulder, which Henne had dislocated three weeks earlier at Illinois. Still, the shoulder did not feel right.
"So I went back in the locker room and said, 'Something feels stretchy back here,' " Henne recalled. "They said, 'We'll put a little bit more in.' They didn't use a lot. So they put a little bit more in."
On Michigan's first two plays from scrimmage, Henne performed the easiest of quarterbacking tasks: He took the snap and handed off to tailback Carlos Brown. But this time, the handoffs were not simple. Henne felt like he had no control over the ball.
Henne threw five passes and somehow completed three of them. But he knew he wasn't right, and after his fifth pass floated into the hands of a Wisconsin defender, he left the game.
One of the cortisone shots had hit a nerve, numbing Henne from the shoulder down to his fingers.
Trainer Paul Schmidt, who has worked at Michigan since 1986, told Henne he had never seen it happen.
"It's like you and I both walking outside of this hotel and both simultaneously being struck by lightning," U-M quarterbacks coach Scot Loeffler said Saturday. "It was something that never happens. It was like one out of five million. It was ridiculous.
"The doctor said he could never do it again the rest of his life."
The big 'what if'
On the morning of the Wisconsin game, Michigan was 8-2, riding an eight-game winning streak. The week before, Henne had returned from his injury to throw four touchdown passes against Michigan State.
In retrospect, Michigan probably only needed to win one of its final two games to make the Rose Bowl. A win over Ohio State would have clinched the outright Big Ten title. A win over Wisconsin, followed by a loss to Ohio State, would have given U-M a share of the conference championship, and the Rose Bowl likely would have chosen 9-3 Michigan over 9-3 Illinois, because the Wolverines had beaten the Illini.
Instead, U-M lost to both Wisconsin and Ohio State and landed in the Capital One Bowl. Henne and his backup, freshman Ryan Mallett, combined to complete 26 of 78 passes against the Badgers and Buckeyes.
The performance against Ohio State was particularly galling. Henne completed just 11 of 34 passes for 68 yards. Part of the problem was that Michigan receivers dropped several balls, and of course, part of it was Ohio State's stellar defense.
But a lot of it was that Henne was a shell of himself. The nerve in his shoulder was no longer numb, but the shot had delayed his rehabilitation. Henne had not lifted weights in a month.
"My arm ... there's no muscle around it," Henne said. "My strength is still there but it's (decreasing), kind of weekly."
Said Loeffler: "We went for four weeks where the only time that he picked up his shoulder to throw a football would be on Saturday after he had his shot. We were living on borrowed time."
Henne and his teammates had pointed to the Ohio State game for 11 months. The quarterback was determined to play through it.
In the first half, Henne hurt his shoulder again. He thought he was finished for the day. He went in to get another cortisone shot, and the coaches gave him the option of sitting. But he wanted to play.
Michigan lost, 14-3. The Wolverines accumulated only 91 total yards. Ohio State coach Jim Tressel stuck with an ultra-conservative game plan, confident that U-M would not move down the field against his defense.
Anyway, the point here is not that if Henne were healthy, Michigan would have beaten Ohio State or made the Rose Bowl. Nobody knows that. The point is that Henne never really got the chance.
Chad Henne, like the rest of Michigan's seniors, pointed to the Ohio State game all season. The Ohio State game is when U-M quarterbacks create their most lasting memories. Henne will forever be 0-4 against the Buckeyes.
Henne had dislocated his throwing shoulder Oct. 20 in Champaign, Ill. The injury occurred midway through the first quarter.
"When I walked into the locker room at Illinois at halftime and looked at his shoulder ... when Lloyd Carr says after the game how courageous he was, that's an understatement," Loeffler said. "I've never seen a quarterback play with a truly dislocated shoulder."
What Henne did that night should remain part of Michigan lore for years. When Henne would reach his hands underneath the center, his shoulder would pop out. He had to pop it back in before taking the snap.
Pretty soon, Henne was on the headset with U-M's offensive coaches, begging for more plays out of the shotgun. The sheer force of the center's snap hitting his hands was popping his shoulder out of its socket.
"People don't understand how tough Chad Henne really is," Loeffler said. "That's why we were in the shotgun."
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So let me get this correct here. Michigan missed out on the Rose Bowl and landed in the Capital One bowl against the Suck Ass Florida Gators.
:SIB :scared :00hour
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I will tell you something that I have never told anyone in here and that is how King of Dogs came about. It has nothing to do with gambling or playing dog plays and all that.
I have 2 young Presa Canario dogs that I keep on a property I have along with a rotty. They were all three about 1 or 2 years old at the time. The Presas come from the Canary Islands and look like the one in my avatar. Fearless dogs cost about 1400 ea.
They are fighting dogs and difficult to control. They are very hard headed and if you arnt prepared to kick their ass then dont get one because they think they are boss.
Anyway, I had been working with them for about a month on voice commands and they are all three pretty smart dogs.
So one day my wife came into the shop and all the dogs were in there with me. They jumped up as she walked in and I yelled stay. And they all three sat down at the same time.
My wife said to me ...Who are you, King of Dogs.
KOD
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I cannot believe this thread didnt have the tebow gf pic.
As a fan and loyal watcher of the KOD - I was disappointed, to say the least.
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I thought about that, but I feel the Heisman thing is offset by the size of Tims gf titties. It seems a fair tradeoff.
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damn now I got to go find the one with her in the bikini.
I hate when my mind is taken off from bowl games to think about some big titties. :0corn
Someone pull the air hose out of her ars before she explodes.
I hope you guys are happy
From what I understand, that's not her. But no harm in leaving the photo up, nonetheless.
