Look like Florida's games on who votes and who doesn't started early. Seem's 42000 folks are on the you cant vote list just out. They are all under the class of felon's. Problem is many are not felon's and or have payed there dues more then the 12 months they must wait. No surprise the list is 38% black Democrats 22% white Democrats and 13% white Republicans. Other is not determined. Just enough votes that again could swing who wins the highest office in the land. Sounds like the Jeb Bush political machine put list out to soon this time. These folks all have time to fight the labeling going on. And sounds like most can't wait to vote. In a state won by Bush by less then 3000 votes. Could get interesting.
Florida Politics. Vote Maybe Not?
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It's almost a given that this state is going to decide the election again and if Kerry wants to win he needs to get his ass down here a little more often instead of wasting time in states like California, which are already decided. The latest poll in Florida is 43%-43% with Nader at 6%. Bush has help from the inside (once again) and for that reason has the advantage in another dead heat down here. Kerry needs to do something to counteract that, even if it just means campaigning very hard down here in the very near future.
djv said:
Copy and paste job, Mr. djv?
Nice spelling.
I agree, things are dead heat down here. Heck, Kerry's been trying to get the Cuban-american vote down here in Southe Florida. Fat chance. He may get the boondocks and jews from Palm Beach (New York), the rest are mostly immigrants down here so they can't vote. Or can they? :shade:
Nosigar,
Why don't you think Kerry can get the majority of the Cubans? I really don't know, but they don't seem very pleased with the current Cuban-American policy. Or perhaps better put, they are finally trying to alter a long-standing Cuban policy that traverses many admins pretty much in it's current state. Particularly the travel rules. Bush is generally seen as somewhat hardline on the Cuba issue. I don't think it would take much for Kerry to sway them. They are important, but the elderly voters probably decide.
Why don't you think Kerry can get the majority of the Cubans? I really don't know, but they don't seem very pleased with the current Cuban-American policy. Or perhaps better put, they are finally trying to alter a long-standing Cuban policy that traverses many admins pretty much in it's current state. Particularly the travel rules. Bush is generally seen as somewhat hardline on the Cuba issue. I don't think it would take much for Kerry to sway them. They are important, but the elderly voters probably decide.
Nosigar of course the story came from a AP report. You think im smart enough to know all that stuff.
Hey I just said it could get interesting. Seniors for sure vote there pocket books. The rich will go R. The middle and poor will go L. Cubans last election were about 54/46 R/L. Not enough to change out come.
Hey I just said it could get interesting. Seniors for sure vote there pocket books. The rich will go R. The middle and poor will go L. Cubans last election were about 54/46 R/L. Not enough to change out come.
Decent article on this topic from the Miami-Herald. It speaks to my earlier comments about Bush's 'status quo' policies and how the Cubans are getting a little restless with that. It also addresses Kerry's waffling on his proposed policies. With him saying two different things in two different situations.
I agree with the last line of the article.
"Bush's problem with Cuban-American voters is one largely of perception -- and it is one largely of his own making. He is the victim of rising expectations, which he is responsible for raising. Like every Republican since Ronald Reagan, Bush has come to Miami numerous times and thundered, ``?Cuba, s?; Castro, no!'' But after four decades of such talk, Cuban Americans want to see some action. They thought that Bush was the guy who would provide it. After all, brother Jeb understands la causa cubana well and has his brother's ear. Then, too, Cuban Americans expected some kind of reward from Washington after contributing generously to Bush's campaign and turning out to vote en masse and en bloc for him in 2000.
But many feel that all they've gotten in return is rhetoric, not action. Last August, 11 Cuban-American state lawmakers wrote Bush a letter asking him to act as well as he talks tough about Castro. A poll taken in January among Hispanic Republicans in Miami-Dade County shows that 70 percent agree with the lawmakers.
Even the governor said that it ''wasn't right'' when his brother's administration repatriated a dozen Cubans who had hijacked a ferry and tried to reach Florida. Several got long prison sentences.
The president had given Cuban exiles reason to believe that he would not let such things happen. In a major Cuba policy speech in Miami on May 20, 2002, Cuban Independence Day, Bush promised to beef up Radio and TV Mart?. It hasn't happened. He promised to provide U.S. college scholarships to the children of Cuban political prisoners and negotiate direct mail service. That hasn't happened either. He also promised to crack down on Americans who travel to the island illegally. That has happened.
Treasury Secretary John Snow proudly trotted out the latest statistics on the crackdown during a visit to Miami in February. He said that 264 cases had been opened by Treasury's Office of Foreign Asset Control, the agency that licenses travel to Cuba. If the Bush administration's Cuba policy is, at the least, inconsistent, do the Democrats offer an alternative? Not much of one. John Kerry told me recently that he's ''tough on Castro'' and opposes lifting the embargo. That's not what he told The Boston Globe in 2000 when he said that a review of the embargo was ''way overdue.'' Kerry also told me that he ''voted for the Helms-Burton legislation to be tough on companies that deal with (Castro).'' In fact, Kerry voted against Helms-Burton precisely because it came back from conference with Title III, which would punish companies that trade with Castro. It's a provision that has been waived by both Presidents Bill Clinton and Bush.
Clinton won about 30 percent of the Cuban-American vote in 1996. It's possible that Kerry could approach that number with a well-conceived and articulated Cuba policy along with the active support of some prominent Cuban-American leaders. The first thing that Kerry should do is stop misrepresenting his voting record on Cuba.
There is an opening for Kerry among Cuban-American voters. He won't get through it by trying to get to the right of Bush."
I agree with the last line of the article.
"Bush's problem with Cuban-American voters is one largely of perception -- and it is one largely of his own making. He is the victim of rising expectations, which he is responsible for raising. Like every Republican since Ronald Reagan, Bush has come to Miami numerous times and thundered, ``?Cuba, s?; Castro, no!'' But after four decades of such talk, Cuban Americans want to see some action. They thought that Bush was the guy who would provide it. After all, brother Jeb understands la causa cubana well and has his brother's ear. Then, too, Cuban Americans expected some kind of reward from Washington after contributing generously to Bush's campaign and turning out to vote en masse and en bloc for him in 2000.
But many feel that all they've gotten in return is rhetoric, not action. Last August, 11 Cuban-American state lawmakers wrote Bush a letter asking him to act as well as he talks tough about Castro. A poll taken in January among Hispanic Republicans in Miami-Dade County shows that 70 percent agree with the lawmakers.
Even the governor said that it ''wasn't right'' when his brother's administration repatriated a dozen Cubans who had hijacked a ferry and tried to reach Florida. Several got long prison sentences.
The president had given Cuban exiles reason to believe that he would not let such things happen. In a major Cuba policy speech in Miami on May 20, 2002, Cuban Independence Day, Bush promised to beef up Radio and TV Mart?. It hasn't happened. He promised to provide U.S. college scholarships to the children of Cuban political prisoners and negotiate direct mail service. That hasn't happened either. He also promised to crack down on Americans who travel to the island illegally. That has happened.
Treasury Secretary John Snow proudly trotted out the latest statistics on the crackdown during a visit to Miami in February. He said that 264 cases had been opened by Treasury's Office of Foreign Asset Control, the agency that licenses travel to Cuba. If the Bush administration's Cuba policy is, at the least, inconsistent, do the Democrats offer an alternative? Not much of one. John Kerry told me recently that he's ''tough on Castro'' and opposes lifting the embargo. That's not what he told The Boston Globe in 2000 when he said that a review of the embargo was ''way overdue.'' Kerry also told me that he ''voted for the Helms-Burton legislation to be tough on companies that deal with (Castro).'' In fact, Kerry voted against Helms-Burton precisely because it came back from conference with Title III, which would punish companies that trade with Castro. It's a provision that has been waived by both Presidents Bill Clinton and Bush.
Clinton won about 30 percent of the Cuban-American vote in 1996. It's possible that Kerry could approach that number with a well-conceived and articulated Cuba policy along with the active support of some prominent Cuban-American leaders. The first thing that Kerry should do is stop misrepresenting his voting record on Cuba.
There is an opening for Kerry among Cuban-American voters. He won't get through it by trying to get to the right of Bush."
DJV
The felons list. "No surprise the list is 38% black Democrats 22% white Democrats and 13% white Republicans."
I agree no surprise there,in fact figured the the felons would hit closer to 90% dems---I wonder if pardoned felons count
The felons list. "No surprise the list is 38% black Democrats 22% white Democrats and 13% white Republicans."
I agree no surprise there,in fact figured the the felons would hit closer to 90% dems---I wonder if pardoned felons count
DJV Maybe this Dem has correct approach. Let the United Nations run our elections to make sure every felon gets to vote. Then why not open up the prisons for voting and let those Edward refers to as "intellectuals/thinkers" dictate our future.
http://www.indystar.com/articles/6/159824-9116-010.html
http://www.indystar.com/articles/6/159824-9116-010.html
Problem it seem's DTB is many on that list are not to be there. There are some that have there voting rights rejected that have been voting for over 10 years. And are cleared to vote. Point is this kind of screwing around with folks can back fire. They may get off their asses and vote again. Could easily win the state for Kerry. Some times it's better not to wake folks up.
