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yesterday(via the Force): 1-4 -3.9 (IF dang SF can at least hang on)
total BB: 50-42 +8.05 (6.9 swing, the wrong way, if SF bags me)

No bonne chance at all for me yesterday: Pirates blew (very) early lead, Braves lose despite Hampton flirting with a no-no, and the other 2 were basically nowhere-to-be-found.

I have to do a bit of a discount thread, here, as the same BS excuse (time, sleep, etc) comes into play again. I did fully 'cap these, though, so I'm hoping for better results. Mind you, not much that I've hopped on so far, as value looks negligable on most, by what I've got.

Slightly different "discount" thread, but I'm going to include something a bit different (and probably less helpful). I often have a day or two look-ahead at the games, and jot down some numbers that I expect I will produce when I properly 'cap them; these are the 'using the Force' numbers I joke about. I'll put them alongside what I got 'capping, and maybe it will, at least, be a reminder to me to save my money if I'm not prepared to do things properly.

To save additional time, I'm going to have to cheat on providing as many #'s (a fully loaded thread often takes me 3-6 hours to complete, with maybe a short break in the middle). But, next to the starter's name I will include some "+" or "-" (s) to indicate how each has performed vs opposition. I look at both how starter's have performed against opposing TEAM, and further look at how each has performed vs CURRENT PLAYERS. A single plus or minus indicates the starter (in my judgement) has performed a little better or worse vs opponent, "++" will indicate that he has performed quite well vs the opposition, and the max of 3, + or -, indicates that he has dominated or been pounded by the opposition. Again, a starter who has dominated an opponent, but has never faced any of the current players, will not be credited with as much, but still something. The PITCH #'s I post already take into account these vs opponent +/-. Minimal appearances vs will also diminish any +/-, no matter how dominating or pounded.

I've played no totals, for this board so far, as I haven't had time to fully check them out. Generally I look to see if my pitcher ratings, multiplied by 10, give me more or less than my P.OPS. If both teams have a higher or lower #, by any reasonable amount, then I'm often trying them small (not as confident on totals as I was a few years back). Lately I have preferred to consider umpires and ballpark dimensions to take such risks.

PV's are for 'capped #'s ... the Force has cost me plenty.
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Reds(Graves--)@D'Backs(Dessens)
P.OPS: Reds: 761, D'Backs: 740
PITCH: Reds: 70, D'Backs: 67
--slight edge on offense and pitching for Reds, here, gives me a small advantage for them on the road. Reds 53 (Force54)
Price: Reds +110 (PV +5)
PLAY:
Reds +110
1/1.1
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Chisox(Garland--)@Cubs(Estes)
P.OPS: Chisox: 751, Cubs: 730
PITCH: Chisox: 75, Cubs: 76
--Garland has looked pretty solid this year, while the Cubs must be disappointed with Estes' work. Cubs 55 (Force60)
Price: Cubs -120 (PV even)
PASS
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Bosox(Kim+, - vs.some)@Phillies(Wolf+, - vs.key)
P.OPS: Bosox: 800, Phillies: 742
PITCH: Bosox: 74, Phillies: 86
--HR trouble about the only thing holding Wolf from a serious Cy Young run. Gotta like Wolf's chances at home, here. Philly 60 (Force55)
Price: Philly -125 (PV +4)
PLAY:
Philly -125
1/0.8
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Indians(Tallet)@Pirates(Fogg)
P.OPS: Injuns: 688, Pirates: 724
PITCH: Injuns: 69, Pirates: 72
(sure woulda been nice to know Wells was going to have such a short outing yesterday:mad: --only 5 IP, but did toss 100...Pitt's pen is the pits)
--righties absolutely pounding Tallet (lefty), and Fogg has not looked right lately (long balls galore). Very poor indian bats looking at missing Burks for season. Pirates 62 (Force65)
Price: Pirates -145 (PV +2)
PASS
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Jays(Lidle)@Expos(Vazquez-, + vs key, including Delgado 0/8 1K)
P.OPS: Jays: 854, Expos: 709
PITCH: Jays: 72, Expos: 82
--Expos better starter and pen here, but Jays bats have huge edge. Lidle has been off lately; Vazquez always a threat to dominate. 50-50 (Force N/A as Tucker was listed for Expos)
Price is right
PASS
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phew....Giants held on...I can take this paper bag off my head, now!

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Yanks(Pettitte+)@Mets(Trachsel+ w/Mondesi only real trouble...so far)
P.OPS: Yanks: 808, Mets: 670
PITCH: Yanks: 78, Mets: 76
--Trachsel may be better play than can-you-say-overrated-Pettitte here, but Mets, who have been starting to hit much better, still can't touch lefties. Yanks 60 (Force N/A w/Mussina listed earlier)
Price: Yanks -150 (PV even)
PASS
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Orioles(Ponson)@Braves(Maddux+)
P.OPS: O's: 768, Braves: 817
PITCH: O's: 78, Braves: 81
--both starters have been solid, Braves bats cooling off a little, and O's bats have surprised me for awhile (overachieving?). Braves 63 (Force68)
Price: Braves -175 (PV -1)
PASS
--under is tempting here, although what I said earlier about the P.OPS/PITCH thing doesn't warrant it; still, both starters are hot, offenses are cool(er), Turner Field helps, and avg. or below O's pen might work less if Braves don't bat in 9th
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D'Rays(Bell-)@Marlins(Redman++)
P.OPS: D'Rays: 722, Marlins: 753
PITCH: D'Rays: 67, Marlins: 81
--I was extremely disappointed when I saw this line. Even -160 and I think I hit it hard. Should be no contest here, though D'Rays have shown heart for much of the season. Redman must be thrilled to be outta Detroit; he is smokin'! Bell is basically hopeless. Marlins 70 (Force N/A w/Standridge listed earlier)
Price: Marlins -210 (PV +2)
PASS

Price: Marlins -1.5 -105 (PV +5 if I give (generous, maybe) 57%)
PLAY:
Marlins -1.5 -105
1.05/1
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Astros(Miller)@Rangers(Thomson---)
P.OPS: Astros: 762, Rangers: 821
PITCH: Astros: 80 (pen helped this), Rangers: 65
--Juan-Gon missed yesterday, but Rangers bats still a big threat, especially at home. Astros have beaten Thomson like an animal. Astros 55 (Force56)
Price: Astros -145 (PV -5)
PASS (especially w/that chase call yesterday--oops--couldn't touch Batista)
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Twins(Radke+)@Brewers(Sheets- in one start)
P.OPS: Twins: 794, Brewers: 738
PITCH: Twins: 68, Brewers: 75
--I can't touch Radke right now--hurtin'. Sheets certainly not living up to (very high) expectations (including 22 HR allowed ... on pace for what?...45?!?!?!...these are Ramon Ortiz HR #'s). I haven't playing it yet, but over 9 looks good, despite Brewers bats underachieving at home this year. Brewers 56 (Force50-50)
Price: Brewers +105 (PV +7)
PLAY:
Brewers +105
1/1.05

Juice too much for me on the over, right now...last time the Twins scored double-digits (16 yesterday) they followed it up by scoring only 3 (was Webb, mind you, at home where their bats have been quieter--June 12/13). Twins bats have been hot & cold (mostly hot past week), and they do have to travel to face pseudo-phenom Sheets. Still...a solid Radke start is unexpected.
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Royals(Lima---)@Cards(Morris++)
P.OPS: Royals: 757, Cards: 817
PITCH: Royals: 63, Cards: 84
--Morris claims he's straightened whatever troubles that he had out, but it may not be wise to bet the farm on him just yet, until he proves it. Wait a sec... Lima?!?!? ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... Cards still have plenty of offense, even if Edmonds doesn't go, while Royals order loses a ton if Sweeney doesn't go (both missed yesterday). I haven't scored a % this juicy since I chilled my system out a little, back in late April. BP too--every aspect of this game favors the Cards. Wierder things have happened, but ... Cards 80 (Force75)
Price: Cards -220 (PV +11)
Crap ... I can't go this high ... parlay with Marlins would give me +114, which I'm considering (VERY seriously), but for now...

Price: Cards -1.5 -110 (PV +7 at (NOT very generous) 60%)
PLAY:
Cards -1.5 -110
2.2/2

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Tigers(Maroth-)@Rockies(Elarton-)
P.OPS: Tigers: 609, Rockies: 878 (still lovin' lefties)
PITCH: Tigers: 74, Rockies: 64
--this one could get ugly; Elarton is not the answer. Rockies 63 (Force70)
Price: Rockies -190 (PV -3)
PASS

I still don't know what to make of Maroth, Rocks remarkable lefty/righty differential (OPS over 900 vs lefties for some time now), this humidor nonsense (keeping totals at Coors down this year), and the matchup of crappy Elarton vs crappy Tigers. Tigers pen better than average, and Maroth may surprise, while Elarton and crappy (most of the time ... better lately, it seems ... vs poor competition) Rocks pen may improve on their unHendrixy #'s vs swing-and-miss Tigers. I have no balls. This game should go WAY over. Frig. Alright, one sec...

12 even or 11.5 -120. I'm on the 12.
PLAY
Tigers@Rockies over 12 +100
1/1
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Giants(Moss)@A's(Harang- in one start ... virtually nada vs current)
P.OPS: Giants: 765, A's: 736
PITCH: Giants: 75, A's: 69 (solid pen or this # is 65)
--this is another one where I was disappointed with the line. A's have been at home now for a huge stretch, and they've won 6 straight there. Harang was not that bad last year, and he hasn't really provided us with a sufficient sample yet. Moss is nowhere near what he was doing last year--I loved him last year--with lefties hitting him for .321 this year (.165 last year!) and a BB-K of 48-41 to boot (89-111 last season). This is where a proper 'cap helps me -- I really liked SF here using the (Force60), calling Giants 55 (looks like a coin-toss to me know, since writing this)
Price: Giants -110 (PV +2 at 55, -3 at the coin-toss)
PASS
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Mariners(Meche)@Padres(Perez+ in 1 start)
P.OPS: M's: 814, Padres: 737
PITCH: M's: 82, Padres: 74
--this Perez has had some beauty moments, last year, and in 2 starts vs the Chicago clubs. Last was a silencing of the Chisox @Comiskey, but what he brings this time is anyone's guess - Padres pen unlikely to help him close out a 1-0 shutout like they did last game, as they have been generous. M's bats have quited considerably, but Meche may have his way in this one. M's 60 (Force68)
Price: M's -155 (PV -1)

The more I think about this one, the more the run-line looks appealing. Their 3 wins over the Angels (before yesterday's) were by 2+, but their 3 wins before that were by a singleton, and low-scoring, interleague games at that. Only +100 and the line is only -155 ... should get +110, +120 ...
PASS
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Angels(Washburn-- no record in 6 G (5GS) but .311 oba and 6.16 era thru 30.2 IP)@Dodgers(Nomo+/--- here: 2-1 w/2.97 era, .211 oba vs Angels, but Anderson, Erstad, Fullmer, Glaus, Kennedy, Salmon and Owens have all hit Nomo very, very hard ((check it out - #'s don't make sense)))
P.OPS: Angels: 751, Dodgers: 721
PITCH: Angels: 79, Dodgers: 83
--this one is impossible to call. Dodgers blanked yesterday, and their solid #'s vs lefties can't be counted on anymore (down to .271 on year with the .239 past 10, including meetings with Rueter, Traber, Tallet, and B.Anderson). Using the Force I called this one a 50-50, 'capped it originally at 61 Dodgers (pre-last night's game ... was Schmidt, mind you), and now have it lowered to Dodgers 57 based on further consideration of this Angels current vs Nomo factor. Nomo is hotter than hell this year, and Washburn had been great until recently, including his last shellacking by the we-can't-hit-lefties Mets. Dodgers 57, if anywhere to be found, makes the -130 bang on
PASS

Angels +140 (which probably won't happen) and I think I'll reconsider.
System needs work.
:eek:
Total here (7) is also twilight zone material.

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Can't wait for the NFL to start.
4-year old system (5th coming) has worked wonders for me, overall, and covers totals, point-spreads, you name it. Not half-times, now that I think of it:eek: but fortunately I have a calculator to divide by two.
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I'm allowed to keep SOMETHING simple, aren't I?:shrug:
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Fine...1st half/2nd half stats must be available SOMEPLACE.
:D

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Gambleodeon So Far

Gambleodeon So Far

Reds +110 -+- 1/1.1
Phillies -125 -+- 1/0.8
Marlins -1.5 -105 -+- 1.05/1
Brewers +105 -+- 1/1.05
Cards -1.5 -110 -+- 2.2/2
Tigers@Rockies over 12 +100 -+- 1/1


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Adding

Adding

2 team parlay (first posted, I think)

Marlins -210
Cards -220 (can't see this # going down)
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+114

.70 * .80 = 56% (PV +9)

1/1.14

This is ridiculous
I need :sleep:

Grand Lux

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3 years NFL, that is (will be 4th)
forgot about the strike
not in the NFL, at my Univershitty
:rolleyes:
(well ... how does your memory work?)

1st 3, 4 weeks, though ... it's using that daman force thing again

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Alright ... thought of one more cool:cool: thing.

All 3 70%+ 'capped games have won since I posted some stats after June 15th (D.Wells over D'Rays,Chacon over Padres,Clemens over D'Rays(in 12 .... 1-0 ... amazing the Clemens STILL has no no-hitter). The one glaring problem was the % of games 70+ that had won, so maybe that will get closer to the #. If only ONE of Marlins or Cards win and I'll be 12/17 in June, which is 70.5%. 80 with Cards today is about as much as I can conceive of giving a game. Anything can happen. This is baseball. Royals aren't the Tigers, even without Mike Sweeney, but I seriously like Lima to be to be pounded here. Some good signs that Morris may bounce back real strong from a crappy (and very short, and very predicted by the same source that suggests to me that he will bounce back strong). Not talking CG. Don't need it anyway ... closer Isringhausen is now in the BP and Morris should survive long enough for Cards to 'solve' anti-stud Lima. Mind you, 4 years ago he won 21 with Houston.

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Adding

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20%;) chance this empties an account.

Cards -220
4.4/2

Since 21W season (.265 oba) opponents have batted .313 ('00, 6.65), right around .300 ('01, 5.54), and .314 (7.77 during 12+ starts last year). He's allowed 8 HR in 31 IP vs Cards@Busch (7.55). 0-4 vs lifetime 8 starts (5 relief), 50.1, 7.51, 16 HR.
He's going down.

Hope so.:D

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Thanks EX, for all your hard work, they say you work for what you get, aint that the truth. GOOD LUCK! :)
 

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