Nice arn't they. Our energy policy is working for who. I see Saudi made a extra 22 billion last year.
Gas Prices
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As prices for thing across the board, it should motivate you to go out and make more money!
just my .02
just my .02
i was motivated to buy a hybrid 2 years ago. 50 mpg is ok - but we can do better than that. drilling in alaska won't solve this dilemma either. demand from china and india is rising dramatically. as those 2 billion people modernize, their oil consumption and effect on global demand will be staggering.
$2.50, $3, even $4 will seem like a bargain in the coming years IMO. could be wrong - lot's of pro-oil people argue about all these untapped feilds around the world. but fact is the middle east oil is cheapest, highest quality, easiest to refine - it's why prices have been low.
$2.50, $3, even $4 will seem like a bargain in the coming years IMO. could be wrong - lot's of pro-oil people argue about all these untapped feilds around the world. but fact is the middle east oil is cheapest, highest quality, easiest to refine - it's why prices have been low.
Remember the raves and perks youmade about Euro's last week DJV----
IMAGINE A $3.40 PER GALLON TAX
Taxes on fuel are of course the big difference between Europe and the United States. U.S. gas taxes average about 40 cents a gallon; European taxes are about $2 a gallon. In Britain, the current excise tax per gallon is $3.40, says Ian Parry of Resources for the Future, an environmental think-tank based in Washington. That stunningly high tax is defended by Prime Minister Tony Blair?s government as necessary for reducing pollution, easing traffic congestion and encouraging consumers to purchase more fuel efficient cars.
Does last sentence sound familiar??????
Lets raise some taxes here and really get prices right
IMAGINE A $3.40 PER GALLON TAX
Taxes on fuel are of course the big difference between Europe and the United States. U.S. gas taxes average about 40 cents a gallon; European taxes are about $2 a gallon. In Britain, the current excise tax per gallon is $3.40, says Ian Parry of Resources for the Future, an environmental think-tank based in Washington. That stunningly high tax is defended by Prime Minister Tony Blair?s government as necessary for reducing pollution, easing traffic congestion and encouraging consumers to purchase more fuel efficient cars.
Does last sentence sound familiar??????
Lets raise some taxes here and really get prices right
Funny how none of your vocal lefties bitch about the environmental regulations having an effect on the cost to refine oil in the PC way. :mj12:
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If you are not driving a hybrid vehicle like smurphy, you have no right to complain about high gas prices, imo.
I love to hear someone bitch about high gas prices while they drive an SUV that gets 10 mpg. If you would switch to a smarter vehicle, your gas price would go down by at least 60%.
I obviously don't know what kind of car any of you drive, but PERSONAL choice plays a huge role in your monthly gas bill.
I work from home, so the gas price doesn't effect me so much, but my family's next vehicle will be a hybrid or some other oil-saving vehicle. I think it is my PERSONAL responsibility to do so to help our environment and my family's economy.
It is NOT the government's responsiblity to babysit you. There are options available to you to save money in gas. If you do not choose to utilize them, then what ground do your complaints stand on?
But, of course, this is not how much of the country (loosely translated as the left) views things. They would rather just blame our government (regardless of party) and wait for them to fix it.
I love to hear someone bitch about high gas prices while they drive an SUV that gets 10 mpg. If you would switch to a smarter vehicle, your gas price would go down by at least 60%.
I obviously don't know what kind of car any of you drive, but PERSONAL choice plays a huge role in your monthly gas bill.
I work from home, so the gas price doesn't effect me so much, but my family's next vehicle will be a hybrid or some other oil-saving vehicle. I think it is my PERSONAL responsibility to do so to help our environment and my family's economy.
It is NOT the government's responsiblity to babysit you. There are options available to you to save money in gas. If you do not choose to utilize them, then what ground do your complaints stand on?
But, of course, this is not how much of the country (loosely translated as the left) views things. They would rather just blame our government (regardless of party) and wait for them to fix it.
I like my Monti 20 city 30 highway. I purchased it when I saw who won in 2000. I remembered some of those prices when 41 was in charge. But what gets me is not just who's in office. There is a majority last 6 years in Congress and they do nothing.
Hell there no reason we don't have more mass transit cleaner burning coal. Yes even a few new nuke plants. Autos that average more per gallon. But they seem to just get hung up on Alaska. Chit move on come back to that later. After all they say all the oil in that find will be worth about 3 cents a gallon to lower price. Heck we can get that right now by stopping the oil going into the reserves every day. I don't say use any that,s all ready there just stop the flow for a while. By the way it nice China need more oil to run those jobs we gave them.
Hell there no reason we don't have more mass transit cleaner burning coal. Yes even a few new nuke plants. Autos that average more per gallon. But they seem to just get hung up on Alaska. Chit move on come back to that later. After all they say all the oil in that find will be worth about 3 cents a gallon to lower price. Heck we can get that right now by stopping the oil going into the reserves every day. I don't say use any that,s all ready there just stop the flow for a while. By the way it nice China need more oil to run those jobs we gave them.
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Another "I know you are, but what am I?" comment from StevieD. Your attempt at humor is neither original nor accurate.
I realize that gas prices aren't great. Compare it to the world's prices, we are in pretty good shape.
I get sick of listening to people (mostly from the left) blaming problems on everyone else and not accepting any responsibility.
It's the old "poor me" attitude that has kept the Democratic Party from growing its reach.
I know you love grouping everyone who doesn't agree with you into this far right, neo-nazi, eccentric group. If that pleases you and makes you feel good then that makes me feel good, too.
This board has a lot of good posters, but the people that consistantly play the same old tune gets tiresome.
It's time that we came together as a country (this starts as individuals), stop bitching and moaning about every call that doesn't go our way, and do something about it.
The first step would be to write your Congressman about the topics that have you in a fuss.
I realize that gas prices aren't great. Compare it to the world's prices, we are in pretty good shape.
I get sick of listening to people (mostly from the left) blaming problems on everyone else and not accepting any responsibility.
It's the old "poor me" attitude that has kept the Democratic Party from growing its reach.
I know you love grouping everyone who doesn't agree with you into this far right, neo-nazi, eccentric group. If that pleases you and makes you feel good then that makes me feel good, too.
This board has a lot of good posters, but the people that consistantly play the same old tune gets tiresome.
It's time that we came together as a country (this starts as individuals), stop bitching and moaning about every call that doesn't go our way, and do something about it.
The first step would be to write your Congressman about the topics that have you in a fuss.
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Good point, djv. This is something that I totally agree with. For instance, when I lived in Atlanta, every vehicle had to pass a decently strict emissions test EXCEPT government vehicles including the MARTA buses.
This made absolutely no sense when those monsters were producing 100 times more pollution than my car ever could. These are the types of policies that need to be addressed immediately.
Part of the problem is we don't have enough refining capacity ...
How many years has it been since an oil refinery was built in the United States? I think that it's been over 25 years. Can you imagine that this is having some affect on getting gas to the pumps for your Summer driving? And then there's all those special blends. We have about 55 different blends for different parts of the country .. all demanded by the eco-whacko crowd. The refineries can't keep up...and there you go... expensive gas.
How many years has it been since an oil refinery was built in the United States? I think that it's been over 25 years. Can you imagine that this is having some affect on getting gas to the pumps for your Summer driving? And then there's all those special blends. We have about 55 different blends for different parts of the country .. all demanded by the eco-whacko crowd. The refineries can't keep up...and there you go... expensive gas.
Non-commercial gasoline should be $7-8 a gallon with the taxed excess for Mass transit. Maybe that would get some of these morons off the road. They could keep their alternate sex organ in the garage
How is it the fault of the environmental standards for this? How about if every state adopts the same strict standard - that would decrease the number of blends.Turfgrass said:
Anyone here who saw LA in the 70's and compare it to LA now will know exactly why gasoline pollutant standards in California had to get tougher.
Of course we could be like Mexico City and have no standards and just choke on our own waste. What the hell is wrong with trying to live healthier and peotect the air that we all breathe?
This is one big reason we lose so much work to China, Inda, Mexico - and soo0n to be Central America when CAFTA passes - THEY HAVE NO ENVIRONMENTAL standards there. But I guess it's the fault of environmentalists, not the tyrannical governments who could care less about living standards for their subjects.
Hell, why don't we just have a federal standard then...would that be ok with you?
For many of the so-called environmentalists, the goal isn't protecting the environment. The real goal is weakening America. The environmental movement became the refuge-of-choice for socialists and communists who had nowhere else to go after the fall of the Soviet Union and the worldwide communist movement. Here they found a movement they could use to further their goals of weakening capitalism and the American economy ... and anyone who dares to challenge them is branded as a wicked capitalist who wants dirty air and water.
When you fill up your tanks for your trip to grandmas, remember to thank your friendly local environmentalist groups for their help.
For many of the so-called environmentalists, the goal isn't protecting the environment. The real goal is weakening America. The environmental movement became the refuge-of-choice for socialists and communists who had nowhere else to go after the fall of the Soviet Union and the worldwide communist movement. Here they found a movement they could use to further their goals of weakening capitalism and the American economy ... and anyone who dares to challenge them is branded as a wicked capitalist who wants dirty air and water.
When you fill up your tanks for your trip to grandmas, remember to thank your friendly local environmentalist groups for their help.
I can't really think of another country (other than large oil producing countries) where gas is less.
We are fortunate to not have the taxes these European countries have to support their "free" heathcare and social programs so to speak. Nothings free.
I am in agreement with Dawg--we have SUV'S some famillies two--how many cell phones per family--think nothing of plopping down $75+ for dinner or $25 plus bar tab after work-BUT even though the cost of oil has almosted in past few years and is at all time high we bitch about 50 cent a gallon increase.
-and I am probably the worse culprit spending $160 a month on a habit (smoking) that is nasty and bad for health in general. If I quit would be much better off health wise--they could raise gas to $3 a gallon and I'd still be saving $100 a month.
Regardless of what occurs there will be those with the half full and those with the half empty attitude.
We are fortunate to not have the taxes these European countries have to support their "free" heathcare and social programs so to speak. Nothings free.
I am in agreement with Dawg--we have SUV'S some famillies two--how many cell phones per family--think nothing of plopping down $75+ for dinner or $25 plus bar tab after work-BUT even though the cost of oil has almosted in past few years and is at all time high we bitch about 50 cent a gallon increase.
-and I am probably the worse culprit spending $160 a month on a habit (smoking) that is nasty and bad for health in general. If I quit would be much better off health wise--they could raise gas to $3 a gallon and I'd still be saving $100 a month.
Regardless of what occurs there will be those with the half full and those with the half empty attitude.
