Gingrich Says World War III Has Begun

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i happen to agree with newt.


World War III has begun, and the nation?s leadership is failing to deal with this reality, former House of Representatives Speaker Newt Gingrich concludes.


Appearing on NBC?s Meet the Press with Tim Russert Sunday, Gingrich explained that "today is not the fifth day of the war, it?s the 58th year of the effort by those who want to destroy Israel. As Ahmadinejad, the head of Iran, says, he wants to defeat the Americans and eliminate Israel from the face of the earth. So we should not see this event in isolation. There is an ... Iran/Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas alliance trying to destroy Israel.?


". . . the Israelis withdrew from Gaza to create the circumstance of peace. The Israelis withdrew from south Lebanon to create the circumstance of peace,? Gingrich continued. "They now have a thousand missiles fired from Gaza, they?ve had hundreds of missiles fired from south Lebanon. You clearly have Iranian involvement. There are at least 400 Iranian guards in south Lebanon. Apparently it was an Iranian missile fired by Iranians which hit an Israeli warship yesterday. The United States should be saying to Syria and Iran, 'South Lebanon is going to be cleared out. We are for Israel and the Lebanese government breaking the back of Hezbollah, getting rid of all 10,000 to 13,000 missiles, and we will decisively stop any effort by Syria and Iran to intervene.'?


Gingrich says the current crisis facing Israel is part of a larger world war that involved the U.S.


"I mean, this is absolutely a question of the survival of Israel, but it?s also a question of what is really a world war,? Gingrich said.


He then cited a litany of events that confirm this conclusion.


"North Korea firing missiles. We say there?ll be consequences, there are none. North Koreans fire seven missiles on our Fourth of July; bombs going off in Mumbai, India; a war in Afghanistan with sanctuaries in Pakistan ? the Iran/Syria/Hamas/Hezbollah alliance.?


In addition, he said "there is the war in Iraq funded largely from Saudi Arabia and supplied largely from Syria and Iran.?


Other evidence of the war, Gingrich argues, includes:


The British home secretary saying that there are 20 terrorist groups with 1200 terrorists in Britain.

Seven people in Miami videotaped pledging allegiance to al-Qaeda

Eighteen people in Canada being picked up with twice the explosives that were used in Oklahoma City, with an explicit threat to bomb the Canadian parliament, and saying they?d like to behead the Canadian prime minister.

In New York City, reports that in three different countries people were plotting to destroy the tunnels of New York.

Gingrich explained: "We are in the early stages of what I would describe as the third world war, and frankly, our bureaucracies aren?t responding fast enough. We don?t have the right attitude about this . . . And frankly, the Israelis have every right to insist that every single missile leave south Lebanon and that the United States ought to be helping the Lebanese government have the strength to eliminate Hezbollah as a military force, not as a political force in the parliament, but as a military force in south Lebanon.?


Asked host Tim Russert "This is World War III??


"I believe if you take all the countries I just listed, that you?ve been covering, put them on a map, look at all the different connectivity, you?d have to say to yourself this is, in fact, World War III,? Gingrich said.
 

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Never personally was a big fan of Newt, but I believe he is dead on here. He's correct on all counts, and one that people refuse to acknowledge "the Iraq situation funded by Saudi Arabia". So far the mighty U.S. sits on the sidelines content to keep playing kids games in Iraq.
 

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I saw that this morning, and calling this 'WW3' is hyperbole at it's finest.

Gimme a break. The only two states(governments) at 'war' (and undeclared at that, but i'll play along) are Palestine and Israel. Hey, I guess this is the first democracy/democracy war in history. We always hear about how that has never happened and never will.

This is WW3?

There really isn't even a regional war and this nutjob says we're in the midst of WW3?

A regional war could very well happen at any time, but when there are really no countries in the world 'at war' with each other, saying that we're in WW3....Well, that's just bizarre.

Is it possible that it turns into WW3? Sure, but it's not very likely. And even so, 'turns into' is the key phrase there.
 

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Kosar, can you with a straight face actually call Lebanon a democracy, the tail is wagging the dog, its a joke.
 

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kosar said:
I saw that this morning, and calling this 'WW3' is hyperbole at it's finest.

Gimme a break. The only two states(governments) at 'war' (and undeclared at that, but i'll play along) are Palestine and Israel. Hey, I guess this is the first democracy/democracy war in history. We always hear about how that has never happened and never will.

This is WW3?

There really isn't even a regional war and this nutjob says we're in the midst of WW3?

A regional war could very well happen at any time, but when there are really no countries in the world 'at war' with each other, saying that we're in WW3....Well, that's just bizarre.

Is it possible that it turns into WW3? Sure, but it's not very likely. And even so, 'turns into' is the key phrase there.


you're kidding right ?

come on matt..you can't be serious !!

if the world doesn't wake up iran, hezbollah, & the rest will start spreading their wings & take it further. and i won't go into the hezbollah cells that are in this country.
 

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Kosar, can you with a straight face actually call Lebanon a democracy, the tail is wagging the dog, its a joke.

Of course the tail is wagging the dog, and I didn't call Lebanon a democracy in my post even though they are. Some of our neo-con friends correctly identify Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq as this wildfire of democracy that has spread across the Middle East recently.

My point was, which states exactly are at war? None, really, even though I would concede, I guess, that Israel is at war with that other shining democracy, Hamas.

So calling this WW3 is ridiculous.
 

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AR182 said:
you're kidding right ?

come on matt..you can't be serious !!

if the world doesn't wake up iran, hezbollah, & the rest will start spreading their wings & take it further. and i won't go into the hezbollah cells that are in this country.

Look, don't take this as meaning I don't see the great threat from radical Islamofascism. I thought that I had been pretty clear on that in many posts.

But WW3?

There are no countries governments fighting each other, for Christs sake!

Israel is not against Lebanon's government, America is not against the Iraqi state or the Afganistan state, no war declared with Hamas and Israel. No skirmishes anywhere else except for Africa(and even that crap is a civil war, not between states) and we know nobody gives a shit about that. So show me WW3.



Potential? Sure.

You guys want to call this WW3? What will you call it if governments actually start fighting each other?

If you wanna call it an important 'war' against Islam, then fine, but calling it WW3???
 

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My point was, which states exactly are at war? None, really, even though I would concede, I guess, that Israel is at war with that other shining democracy, Hamas.

if you think states are the only ones that go to war, you're missing it...additionally hezbollah is doing the fighting for iran & syria..that makes it 3 states that are at war.
 

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wars of conventional ways are over.

if the rest of the world doesn't stop this now...it's going to get worst.

all of those g8 countries should get together & form an army & go into iran, syria, afghanistan, iraq, the pakistan mtn.s & wind up at the door of that maniac in n.k.....

this nonsense of tit for tat must end..otherwise it's going to get worse.
 

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I liked what he and Joe Bidden who was on the show with Newt said about N Korea. Time for the administration to go one on one with N Korea. Both agree only way to get job done right.They either agree to stop nuke planning and long range missile testing or they get wiped out. For them behaving they get there peace of paper we wont attack. And they get food. They cheat again and it's good by. Or attack will be with such force there cannons pointed at soul won't be firing much. I guess N Korea can read in to that what they want said Bidden.
Joe and Newt made a lot of sense about many things today. I wonder why our present administration can't.
 

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AR182 said:
if you think states are the only ones that go to war, you're missing it...additionally hezbollah is doing the fighting for iran & syria..that makes it 3 states that are at war.

They support Hezbollah, but unless we actually go to war with them, then we're not at war with them. Believe me, I wish we were in a better position to do something.

No more than we were at war with the USSR as we were supporting OBL in Afghanistan in the 80's.

But let's say even if your premise held water, that certainly is not a 'WW3.'
 

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israel also said that iran has been firing upon them from within lebannon.

They said that Iran has had around 100 'advisors' and 'trainers' in Lebanon since 1982. And that those guys helped Hezbollah fire the longer range rockets.

Almost all of the weapons are supplied by Iran and to a much smaller extent Syria.

But that still doesn't mean that we were at war with Iran when we supplied Saddam with WMD in the late 80's.
 

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But that still doesn't mean that we were at war with Iran when we supplied Saddam with WMD in the late 80's.

true...china supplied iran.

i'll see if i can find where it said that iran was also firing on israel from within lebannon.
 

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i'll see if i can find where it said that iran was also firing on israel from within lebannon.

I agreed with you to the extent that Iranian troops likely helped Hezbollah fire some of the longer range rockets that they originally got from Iran in the first place. No reason to look anything up.
 

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I agreed with you to the extent that Iranian troops likely helped Hezbollah fire some of the longer range rockets that they originally got from Iran in the first place. No reason to look anything up.


if a country helps somebody fire missles..isn't iran attacking israel ?
 

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if a country helps somebody fire missles..isn't iran attacking israel ?

I dunno, man. I don't think there's an easy answer to that one. Maybe it's a matter of nuance.

Israel could do some damage in Iran, but without our help it would be a fruitless exercise I think. There are all sorts of geographical/logistical problems with Israel trying to attack Iran.

And although I agree with Israels actions in Lebanon, wouldn't a similar question also be 'if a guerilla group from a country kidnaps 2 soliders, is Lebanon attacking Israel?'

Tough one, really.
 

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kosar said:
Israel could do some damage in Iran, but without our help it would be a fruitless exercise I think. There are all sorts of geographical/logistical problems with Israel trying to attack Iran.
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Lets just lend Israel one of these baby and help them guide it to Iran in a sub super sonic venue.
 
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