good article......mexican illegals vs. american voters....

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i agree with tony.....thse politicians better wise up & listen to the american public.......after all we vote & the illegals don't....


Mexican illegals vs. American voters
By Tony Blankley
March 29, 2006


It is lucky America has more than two centuries of mostly calm experience with self-government. We are going to need to fall back on that invaluable patrimony if the immigration debate continues as it has started this season. The Senate is attempting to legislate into the teeth of the will of the American public. The Senate Judiciary Committeemen ? and probably a majority of the Senate ? are convinced that they know that the American people don't know what is best for them.
National polling data could not be more emphatic ? and has been so for decades. Gallup Poll (March 27) finds 80 percent of the public wants the federal government to get tougher on illegal immigration. A Quinnipiac University Poll (March 3) finds 62 percent oppose making it easier for illegals to become citizens (72 percent in that poll don't even want illegals to be permitted to have driver's licenses). Time Magazine's recent poll (Jan. 24-26) found 75 percent favor "major penalties" on employers of illegals, 70 percent believe illegals increase the likelihood of terrorism and 57 percent would use military force at the Mexican-American border.
An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll (March 10-13) found 59 percent opposing a guest-worker proposal, and 71 percent would more likely vote for a congressional candidate who would tighten immigration controls.
An IQ Research poll (March 10) found 92 percent saying that securing the U.S. border should be a top priority of the White House and Congress.
Yet, according to a National Journal survey of Congress, 73 percent of Republican and 77 percent of Democratic congressmen and senators say they would support guest-worker legislation.
I commend to all those presumptuous senators and congressmen the sardonic and wise words of Edmund Burke in his 1792 letter to Sir Hercules Langrishe: "No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of." The senators should remember that they are American senators, not Roman proconsuls. Nor is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee some latter-day Praetor Maximus.
But if they would be dictators, it would be nice if they could at least be wise (until such time as the people can electorally forcefully project with a violent pedal thrust their regrettable backsides out of town). It was gut-wrenching (which in my case is a substantial event) to watch the senators prattle on in their idle ignorance concerning the manifold economic benefits that will accrue to the body politic if we can just cram a few million more uneducated illegals into the country. ( I guess ignorance loves company.) Beyond the Senate last week, in a remarkable example of intellectual integrity (in the face of the editorial positions of their newspapers) the chief economic columnists for the New York Times and The Washington Post ? Paul Krugman and Robert Samuelson, respectively ? laid out the sad facts regarding the economics of the matter. Senators, congressmen and Mr. President, please take note.
Regarding the Senate's and the president's guest-worker proposals, The Post's Robert Samuelson writes: "Gosh, they're all bad ideas ... We'd be importing poverty. This isn't because these immigrants aren't hardworking, many are. Nor is it because they don't assimilate, many do. But they generally don't go home, assimilation is slow and the ranks of the poor are constantly replenished ... [It] is a conscious policy of creating poverty in the United States while relieving it in Mexico ... The most lunatic notion is that admitting more poor Latino workers would ease the labor market strains of retiring baby boomers ? Far from softening the social problems of an aging society, more poor immigrants might aggravate them by pitting older retirees against younger Hispanics for limited government benefits ... [Moreover], t's a myth that the U.S. economy 'needs' more poor immigrants.
"The illegal immigrants already here represent only about 4.9 percent of the labor force." (For all Mr. Samuelson's supporting statistics, see his Washington Post column of March 22, from which this is taken.) Likewise, a few days later, the very liberal and often partisan Paul Krugman of the New York Times courageously wrote : "Unfortunately, low-skill immigrants don't pay enough taxes to cover the cost of the [government] benefits they receive ? As the Swiss writer Max Frisch wrote about his own country's experience with immigration, 'We wanted a labor force, but human beings came.' " Mr. Krugman also observed ? citing a leading Harvard study ? "that U.S. high school dropouts would earn as much as 8 percent more if it weren't for Mexican immigration. That's why it's intellectually dishonest to say, as President Bush does, that immigrants 'do jobs that Americans will not do.' The willingness of Americans to do a job depends on how much that job pays ? and the reason some jobs pay too little to attract native-born Americans is competition from poorly paid immigrants." Thusly do the two leading economic writers for the nation's two leading liberal newspapers summarily debunk the economic underpinning of the president's and the Senate's immigration proposals.
Under such circumstances, advocates of guest-worker/amnesty bills will find it frustratingly hard to defend their arrogant plans by their preferred tactic of slandering those who disagree with them as racist, nativist and xenophobic.
When the slandered ones include not only The Washington Post and the New York Times, but about 70 percent of the public, it is not only bad manners, but bad politics.
The public demand to protect our borders will triumph sooner or later. And, the more brazen the opposing politicians, the sooner will come the triumph.
So legislate on, you proud and foolish senators ? and hasten your political demise.
 

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I have to totally agree.

The senators should remember that they are American senators, not Roman proconsuls. Nor is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee some latter-day Praetor Maximus.

Sure does sound true. WTF?

Regarding the Senate's and the president's guest-worker proposals, The Post's Robert Samuelson writes: "Gosh, they're all bad ideas ... We'd be importing poverty. This isn't because these immigrants aren't hardworking, many are. Nor is it because they don't assimilate, many do. But they generally don't go home, assimilation is slow and the ranks of the poor are constantly replenished ... [It] is a conscious policy of creating poverty in the United States while relieving it in Mexico ... The most lunatic notion is that admitting more poor Latino workers would ease the labor market strains of retiring baby boomers ? Far from softening the social problems of an aging society, more poor immigrants might aggravate them by pitting older retirees against younger Hispanics for limited government benefits ... [Moreover], t's a myth that the U.S. economy 'needs' more poor immigrants.



Bottom line is:

The public demand to protect our borders will triumph sooner or later. And, the more brazen the opposing politicians, the sooner will come the triumph.
 

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AR182 said:
i agree with tony.....thse politicians better wise up & listen to the american public.......after all we vote & the illegals don't....
Sounds good in theory, but the politicians who perpetuate the madness (ie Bush) are safe as kittens. All they have to do is throw in issues about gay marriage, or bash the military service of their opponent, and the sheep will gladly continue to vote for pretend conservatives.
 

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murphy....

not me.....

i like mccaim because of his independence & was planing to vote for him come 2008...but if he keeps aligning himself with teddy on this immigation issue....i will change my vote....

and as far as bush is concerned...i'm very disappointed with his attitude on immigration....

i heard part of pat buchanan on imas this morning & he said that 45% of mexicans that were polled in mexico would live in the u.s. is they could.....

can you imagine that !!....

bush & the prime minister of canada should tell fox that he must do a better job of helping his people...
 

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Bush SHOULD do lots of things. But they will never tell Fox that. Bush absolutely loves illegals because it's an integral part of his plan to destroy the middle class.

OK OK, I know that sounds crazy. I retract it....kind of. It would appear to be the case, based on his actions or lack thereof, though.

45% of Mexico in the US would be perfect. The "elite" (sorry to borrow a buzzword from the neocons) would love it because it's an endless source of super cheap labor - while of course they are very well insulated from the side effects.

I really don't think anyone's going to do anything about this. The logical arguments always somehow become lost in petty racist accusations, etc. Bottom line, those in power like it, Business likes it, the middle folk don't. ...Doesn't take much to figure out who gets the shaft.
 

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didn`t reagan give an amnesty?....

wasn`t it the "final" amnesty?....

hmmm..we keep doing the same thing....but,we don`t solve the problem.....millions of illegal mexicans swarming over our borders...

all this crap from congress in gobbledygoop...

if you want to fix a leaky faucet,you turn off the water first.....right?....

well,our politicians don`t have the character...or the stones to shut off the water(i.e. a wall,or the guard)....

we aren`t stopping this....and mccain?...sorry,ar....i wouldn`t vote for mccain under any circumstances...
 

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AR182 said:
i like mccaim because of his independence & was planing to vote for him come 2008...but if he keeps aligning himself with teddy on this immigation issue....i will change my vote....
bush is essentially aligned with them too. very very very few take a stand on this.

realistically, i can actually understand bush's plan - BUT ONLY - if it is simultaneously met with the border being closed. otherwise, it will only encourage even more to pour through and make the permit scenario ridiculously overwhelming.
 

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down in bush`s beloved mexico there are sex towns where the elite of the sick world from america and europe can go and buy sex with 6 year old grils and boys...

and they accept debit cars from big name american banks at the "clubs"...


couldn`t have fox shutting us out,now could we...

seriously,

our leaders have their heads so stuffed so far down in the sand it`s pathetic....

votes for politicians...money for big business...

once again,the little man gets it in the groin..
 
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