Guerin (gone?) & DaFoe (maybe?)

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Set to change on the fly?

One bad week does not a fire sale make. But it does - or at least it probably will - warm up the trade rumors here on Causeway Street with only two weeks to go before the NHL's wheel-'n'-deal deadline.

The Bruins remained in their slump last night with a 4-1 loss to Philadelphia, and they've now gone O for the Islanders (a tie) and Hurricanes and Sabres and Flyers since returning to work after the Olympic break. Who knew that an extinguished flame in Salt Lake would turn things colder than the back side of the moon here in the Hub of Hockey?

''Right now, we are a frustrated hockey team,'' said No. 1 netminder Byron Dafoe. ''But it's not from lack of effort.''

Actually, what ails the Bruins most right now is a lack of bodies, both healthy and otherwise. Joe Thornton has one game to go on his three-game suspension for cross-checking Rod Brind'Amour. And then there's a long list of wounded, some walking (Martin Lapointe, Rob Zamuner, P.J. Stock), and some otherwise (Kyle McLaren). Get that bunch all back on the ice, wave the wand of wellness over them, and March probably doesn't look so menacing this morning.

''Having Joe helps,'' said veteran defenseman Sean O'Donnell. ''I mean, look at Colorado without [Peter] Forsberg - and look at us at the start of the year, before we had [Jozef] Stumpel and [Glen] Murray.''

The issue at hand now, however, is what happens to the Bruins in their half-dozen games leading up to the March 19 trade deadline. If their three weeks since Salt Lake read something like 2-7-1, and suddenly they are slotted as the fifth or sixth playoff seed in the East, then general manager Mike O'Connell will be forced to do something, anything, to get his club back playing the way it did for the 31/2 months (forget ugly October) leading up to mid-February.

As of the Olympic break, both Bill Guerin and Dafoe were considered fait accompli to finish out the season here. The club was hot. The W-L balance sheet was healthy. Even if they are both to walk as unrestricted free agents as of July 1, prevailing wisdom had it that the Bruins were better to keep them here, try to win a couple of playoff rounds, and suffer the potential consequences of their departure in the dead of summer. A lively spring was more important.

But now? Things are a little different.

The Bruins have little choice but to go the route with Dafoe. Without a No. 1 goaltender as of the eve of March 19, guess what? There may be no playoffs. Dafoe is a hold. In fact, unless he sets his price above, say, $6 million a year this summer, there is still a chance he could come back this fall with a new two- or three-year deal. That's not to say the Bruins would just toss him $6 million a year, but after enough mudslinging, name-calling, and wrestling in Big Dig debris, it's conceivable the battered and bloodied sides could strike a deal around $6 million. All in the name of good will and harmony. Of course.

Now Guerin is shaping up as something much different. He is already making slightly north of $5 million a year, and that's looking almost priceline.com-ish (you paid how much for your leading scorer?) in light of the fact that he potted his 34th goal last night - pulling him temporarily within two of Calgary's Jarome Iginla for the league lead.

If Guerin came in over the summer looking for a bump to $6 million, over three or four years, then it would be the easiest $6 million signing in the history of the francise. It also would be the only $6 million signing in the history of the franchise. Not even Ray Bourque, watching from the ninth floor last night and treated to a standing ovation when his smiling face was flashed on the message board, ever got into Jeremy Jacobs's deep pockets for $6 million per annum.

But the latest word around the water cooler - take the buzz around the bubbler for what it's worth - is that Guerin, on target to be the goal-scoringest unrestricted free agent on the market, will be looking for upwards of $45 million over five years. It's the same $9 million a year that John LeClair pocketed from the Flyers last summer, except LeClair's deal was for four years. In a world of comparable pricing, it fits.

Now, that sound you just heard? Probably the rolling echo of laughter emanating from the Delaware North Companies home office in Buffalo.

It takes exactly 1.8 million hot dogs, at $5 apiece, to cover one man's $9 million wage. Not going to happen. Not here. Not now. And likely not to happen until hot dogs sell for $10 apiece (bun included, of course) and the lower-bowl loge seats are running about $125 a pop and garage parking is edging toward $50. Another 7-8 years, max, just as Guerin is about to turn 40.

What all this means, here in the thick of a four-game malaise, is that Guerin is not the lock he was three weeks ago to stay here for the rest of the season. Every bad game gone by right now, with March 19 approaching, will be one more reason for O'Connell and his top player-personnel adviser, Sean Coady, to consider in earnest whatever a club like Colorado or St. Louis or Detroit tosses their way for Guerin.

Just as winning often masks all ills, losing changes everything. The Bruins are not bad, but they're playing that way right now, for a variety of reaasons.

Factor in, say, a clunker in Montreal (tomorrow), the standard stinker in Atlanta (Friday), and a stubbed toe here Saturday when the Flames are in town, and there will be that many more than the already existing 9 million reasons to consider going another way with Guerin. In this economy, folks, the line changes can be fast and furious.
 

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B's Special Teams & Adam Oates

B's Special Teams & Adam Oates

Advantage isn't apparent

By Nancy Marrapese-Burrell, 3/5/2002

During the first part of the season, the Bruins' special teams were among the sharpest in the NHL. Boston's penalty killing was among the best, and the power play, after a slow start, was pretty successful, too.

But recently the Bruins have experienced a falloff, particularly on the power play. Heading into last night's game against the Philadelphia Flyers, they were ranked No. 6 in penalty killing and No. 19 out of 30 teams on the man-advantage.

Against the Flyers, Boston came up empty again, going 0 for 5, including a five-on-three. That means in their last 21 games, the Bruins have converted eight times in 79 chances.

Their record in that span is 9-7-2-3. In the games they lost, tied, or lost in overtime, they are 3 for 45.

The power play will likely be handicapped a little bit longer, until Joe Thornton returns from a three-game suspension for cross-checking. In the first game without him, against Buffalo Friday, Boston was 0 for 3 on the power play in a 4-3 loss. Thornton will be eligible to return Friday night in Atlanta.

Coach Robbie Ftorek said part of the problem was the Olympics. Because key members of the power play were missing, the Bruins weren't able to practice, and it shows.

''Both of our units were not around,'' said Ftorek. ''We worked on it [Sunday] a little bit, one unit. With Joey out, we have one unit.

''I liked our power play the first two times out [last night] but we chose not to shoot the puck in the second couple of power plays.''

As far as penalty killing, it is still pretty good. The Bruins stumbled during a six-game span from Jan. 17-26, when they surrendered a whopping nine goals in 28 times short. However, in the last 11 games, they have killed off 41 of the last 44 shorthanded situations.

Oates backs off

Mike O'Connell was at the general managers' meetings in Naples, Fla., and said he expected talks to pick up there as the March 19 trading deadline approaches. O'Connell has said he isn't looking to move either Bill Guerin or Byron Dafoe, who are scheduled to become unrestricted free agents July 1. One player whose name has come up often in trade rumors is former Bruins center Adam Oates, now with Washington. Oates, 39, who leads the league in assists, wanted to be traded prior to the season because he felt Washington coach Ron Wilson had lost confidence in him. He even expressed a desire to return to Boston. Now Oates is saying he doesn't want to go anywhere. He said he doesn't want to be a ''rent-a-player'' for another team, even if it is a Stanley Cup contender. ''I have zero desire for that, none at all,'' said Oates. ''I have no desire to try to win with a team that really does not want me as a player. I want to play next year, and if they don't want to sign me, then what's the point? No. 2, not many guys play well when they get traded like that. They very rarely work. I don't want to go to, like, Colorado and play and then they say, `Well, [ Peter] Forsberg is back, so goodbye.' I don't want to go through that at all.'' ...
 

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Would you want to go anywhere centering a line with Jagr on the Right Wing? I really hope Oates resigns somehow for next year and then retires a Capital. He is a class guy and one of the great assist guys ever. As long as the Caps still have a shot at the playoffs at the deadline, I don't think he is going anywhere.
 

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Mugs, the Bs are in an interesting and difficult situation. Do they trade to get guys for the future so they don't lose those guys in the off season for nothing, or keep them and try to win the Cup this year? As a fan, what you want them to do?
 

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Junkie - As a realistic fan, I think it's a very simple situation. I don't think they would get past Philly in a 7 game series so you dump him and get what you can for him. You're gonna piss a lot of people off as he's become a fan favorite.

At least then, you have the extra $$ to try to save DaFoe because I think Grahame is a very capable back-up but I don't think he's ready for 60 games in the NHL.

I agree to your Oates comments also. I went to the first home game after his tirade on the west coast a few years ago. He openly critizied mgmt as the team went downhill every year he had been there. It was against Tampa Bay and every time he jumped over the boards - the crowd gave him an ovation. Not long after that, Harry Sinden raped your Capitals for Allison & Carter. Wait a minute...The B's don't have those guys anymore so I guess the jokes on us Bruin fans again. I remember how many fans were upset over loosing Oates for these two "prospects".
 

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SJ, I agree whole-heartedly with you comments on Oates. While Oates does not need the Caps, the Caps certainly need Oates. I hope he re-signs and does retire a Cap. He is a great compliment to Jagr, who hopefully will continue to score. Without 77 in the line-up, the Caps can kiss any playoff hopes bye-bye. Of course, losing to Toronto didn't help either.
 

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That loss was brutal, kono. Nice article on Jagr and Oates in the Post today. They don't have many decent centers on the team right now, so I doubt they deal him. Plus, they won't get a whole lot for him anyway. I wear my Oates sweater when I watch the games at home and my wife laughs at me. I think he got a really raw deal last year in the playoffs from Wilson. The guy busted his ass all year and basically wore himself out I think. He was leading the league in assists and the team was putting him off on a contract extension and they bring in Linden at the trade deadline. Word was that Oates thought he was being shown the door and I think lost his focus. But he was not the only reason they lost to the Pens in round 1. Having only 1 legitimate scoring threat (Bondra) was most of it, and they met up with a hot goalie. But we are used to losing to PIT in the playoffs. :mad:

Mugs, you are probably right about not getting past the Flyers. It is a real catch 22 for Boston. Trade guys and piss off fans now, or piss them off for getting nothing when they sign elsewhere this summer.
 
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