Hey, Mags - looks like Wisconsin isn't completely happy with Walker and Repubs...

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Only one seat left and the balance of power shifts back to democrats after the recall elections of republicans tonight? Seems you are not exactly painting an accurate picture about how your state really feels about what Walker did? And the one race is taking so long that should have been the first one to report? What's up with that?

Kind of interesting results, all things considered, don't you think? I'd be happy to hear how you spin this - with everything supposedly so wonderful in the state and country for conservatives attacking unions (to hear you tell it), and two democrats win out of five, and one race hanging in the balance?
 

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with the amount of money pouring in from both parties from out of state, hard to say what Wisconsin really thinks.
 

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Looks like the republicans have held on - not surprising since these races were in primarily republican districts from what I'm hearing. Interesting that dems were able to win any of them in some respects. Another example of how outside money is going to play a huge role in our local elections from now on?
 

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Looks like the republicans have held on - not surprising since these races were in primarily republican districts from what I'm hearing. Interesting that dems were able to win any of them in some respects. Another example of how outside money is going to play a huge role in our local elections from now on?

Maybe if Dems get 3 or 4 more bites at the apple they'll get job done.

Maybe every month hold elections on just positions Rebs hold and have your flash mobs and unions at the polling places :lol:
 

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Only one seat left and the balance of power shifts back to democrats after the recall elections of republicans tonight? Seems you are not exactly painting an accurate picture about how your state really feels about what Walker did? And the one race is taking so long that should have been the first one to report? What's up with that?

Kind of interesting results, all things considered, don't you think? I'd be happy to hear how you spin this - with everything supposedly so wonderful in the state and country for conservatives attacking unions (to hear you tell it), and two democrats win out of five, and one race hanging in the balance?

Here's a boots on the ground perspective about these recall elections and such.

As an upper/middle class family in WI these recall elections are a pain in the ass. Walker ran on a platform of making the tough choices, balancing the budget, and doing what may be unpopular but necessary. And he won on that.

Now, reality has set in and people are realizing that there is no more coddling. More importantly, with all the "protests" going on, and the divisiveness all around between union vs non-union and dem vs repub... these recall elections are a goddam joke.

A lot of us didn't go to the polls. Not because we don't care, but because there is absolutely ZERO desire to take time out of my hectic day with a million other things to do, and run down to the polls so that I can wade through the masses of donkeys standing around chanting about this and that and the other thing. I have better things to do than play that stupid game, and quite frankly, I don't trust myself going down to an environment like that because I'll end up doing something dumb and regretting it later. There is NO desire to go anywhere near these lumps of protestors.

However, you have tons of people with entirely too much time on their hands that are going to the polls and trying to make change that over half the state said they wanted at the last election.
It's a very very vocal minority - a large minority though.
It's an unfortunate situation. It really is.
 

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Only one seat left and the balance of power shifts back to democrats after the recall elections of republicans tonight? Seems you are not exactly painting an accurate picture about how your state really feels about what Walker did? And the one race is taking so long that should have been the first one to report? What's up with that?

Kind of interesting results, all things considered, don't you think? I'd be happy to hear how you spin this - with everything supposedly so wonderful in the state and country for conservatives attacking unions (to hear you tell it), and two democrats win out of five, and one race hanging in the balance?

I don't know Chad, the R's won 4 of the 6, losing one of them by a razor thin margin. All the races won were pretty decisive.

And there are 2 recalls of Dems next week - and my guess is the R's will win 1 of them. So we end up with a net loss of 1 seat.

If "everyone" was so unhappy with the changes, I would have thought the Dems to sweep the seats. Clearly that is not the case.

The majority is very happy with how Walker has balanced the budget and led the state in a new direction.

The most disgusting thing was having Obama get involved with his Organizing for America. It's bad enough that he is screwing up the US - now he's trying to screw up WI? Is that what a president should be doing - directing his organization to get involved in state races?

It was a good result for WI - not great, because we did lose seats, but still good. We'll likely pick up one more. And it is good news for Walker - he would be extremely difficult to recall based on this news. And time is his friend - as time goes on, the positives will continue to show.

Interesting, the JS put out an article today titled something like "Walker's plan working - and the sky isn't falling" - but since they are a liberal rag, they waited until the day AFTER the recalls to put out the article. Shameless.
 

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Looks like the republicans have held on - not surprising since these races were in primarily republican districts from what I'm hearing. Interesting that dems were able to win any of them in some respects. Another example of how outside money is going to play a huge role in our local elections from now on?

Sorry, Chad, but you clearly have no clue on this. The 2 districts that the Dems won are democratic - and went heavy for Obama in the last election. And one, the Dem's won by a p*bic hair.

We are in great shape in WI. Not so for MN - didn't your state actually shut down government for 2 weeks????
 

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Here's a boots on the ground perspective about these recall elections and such.

As an upper/middle class family in WI these recall elections are a pain in the ass. Walker ran on a platform of making the tough choices, balancing the budget, and doing what may be unpopular but necessary. And he won on that.

Now, reality has set in and people are realizing that there is no more coddling. More importantly, with all the "protests" going on, and the divisiveness all around between union vs non-union and dem vs repub... these recall elections are a goddam joke.

A lot of us didn't go to the polls. Not because we don't care, but because there is absolutely ZERO desire to take time out of my hectic day with a million other things to do, and run down to the polls so that I can wade through the masses of donkeys standing around chanting about this and that and the other thing. I have better things to do than play that stupid game, and quite frankly, I don't trust myself going down to an environment like that because I'll end up doing something dumb and regretting it later. There is NO desire to go anywhere near these lumps of protestors.

However, you have tons of people with entirely too much time on their hands that are going to the polls and trying to make change that over half the state said they wanted at the last election.
It's a very very vocal minority - a large minority though.
It's an unfortunate situation. It really is.

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Looks like the republicans have held on - not surprising since these races were in primarily republican districts from what I'm hearing. Interesting that dems were able to win any of them in some respects. Another example of how outside money is going to play a huge role in our local elections from now on?

One other point that I was thinking about... remember in 2010, when Republicans had the huge edge in enthusiasm - as they were sick of Obama so they were the more fired up of the 2 bases and won in a landslide?

Well, here in WI for these recalls, the Dems surely were leading the enthusiasm race. Remember all the people at the Capital?

Now, given that huge margin by Dems, I would imagine they are pretty disappointed at only winning 2 of 6 seats. Based on the huge edge they had in the regard, and all the folks at the Capital, they should have easily won all 6 seats - not just 2.

My guess - it is a lot easier for a teacher to call in "sick" to go protest at Madison during work time, than to take time out of their 3 month summer vacation to go vote......
 

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kinda jumped the gun there,buddy,,,

looks from here like 30 million dollars worth of hard working union member`s dues poured down a rathole in a struggling economy....

with 2 potential dems in jeopardy of losing THIER SEATS in a few days....

always better to wait until the fat lady sings before crowing......:lol:

congrats to the people of wisconsin...they get it...:toast:
 

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Sorry, Chad, but you clearly have no clue on this. The 2 districts that the Dems won are democratic - and went heavy for Obama in the last election. And one, the Dem's won by a p*bic hair.

We are in great shape in WI. Not so for MN - didn't your state actually shut down government for 2 weeks????

I may not have a clue, but to call it a victory when you lose two republicans less than a year after elections in the districts they won in kind of sends a message to me. You can dismiss it all you want. My point is, if everyone is happy about the leadership of Walker - as you continue to say - then I would assume all six would hold seats they recently won. I may also be wrong on this, but I heard in two reports last night that all six districts voted for Walker in the election, since you bring up Obama. So, that would seem to be a comment in that regard.

A couple other points. Marine, it seems the only money coming into the state that bothers you is the money (and protestors) that have a different view than you do. And seems to me it shouldn't be that tough in a 12 hour period of time to go cast a vote for something you believe in - but that is a hassle for some, I guess. Plenty of money and campaigning being done by outside sources and financiers supporting the republican incumbents, including the tea party busses, for one.

If you people don't like the money coming in to your elections, you'd better revisit how you feel about the Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations to now fund races all over the country. These races are an indicator of where we're headed in the future.

And Wease - I wasn't crowing about anything. My observations were on point with two republicans losing seats and one hanging in the balance until well after Midnight in the district that just went through plenty of issues with the clerk who botched the results in the state supreme court race in April - and apparently hasn't figured out how to manage an election yet - if that's all that she was really up to, that is. I guess she found enough votes again last night, who knows? 40% of the seats changing hands this soon after an election is worth a mention, I'd say - but thanks for your opinion, as always Weasey... :SIB
 

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A lot of us didn't go to the polls. Not because we don't care, but because there is absolutely ZERO desire to take time out of my hectic day with a million other things to do, and run down to the polls so that I can wade through the masses of donkeys standing around chanting about this and that and the other thing. I have better things to do than play that stupid game, and quite frankly, I don't trust myself going down to an environment like that because I'll end up doing something dumb and regretting it later. There is NO desire to go anywhere near these lumps of protestors.
I'm curious about something, Marine. You've got your location listed as Kenosha. There was no recall election in your district. The closest recall election to Kenosha was District 8, north of Milwaukee.
 

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I may not have a clue, but to call it a victory when you lose two republicans less than a year after elections in the districts they won in kind of sends a message to me. You can dismiss it all you want. My point is, if everyone is happy about the leadership of Walker - as you continue to say - then I would assume all six would hold seats they recently won. I may also be wrong on this, but I heard in two reports last night that all six districts voted for Walker in the election, since you bring up Obama. So, that would seem to be a comment in that regard.

A couple other points. Marine, it seems the only money coming into the state that bothers you is the money (and protestors) that have a different view than you do. And seems to me it shouldn't be that tough in a 12 hour period of time to go cast a vote for something you believe in - but that is a hassle for some, I guess. Plenty of money and campaigning being done by outside sources and financiers supporting the republican incumbents, including the tea party busses, for one.

If you people don't like the money coming in to your elections, you'd better revisit how you feel about the Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations to now fund races all over the country. These races are an indicator of where we're headed in the future.

And Wease - I wasn't crowing about anything. My observations were on point with two republicans losing seats and one hanging in the balance until well after Midnight in the district that just went through plenty of issues with the clerk who botched the results in the state supreme court race in April - and apparently hasn't figured out how to manage an election yet - if that's all that she was really up to, that is. I guess she found enough votes again last night, who knows? 40% of the seats changing hands this soon after an election is worth a mention, I'd say - but thanks for your opinion, as always Weasey... :SIB

Chad - you are ignoring the huge enthusiasm gap for this election. Clearly, the union worker base was charged up about this issue. Many of the Republican base, while excited about the positive change that Walker has brought to WI, certainly weren't as motivated.

It was a lot like the 2010 elections - but in reverse. Given the E gap, Dems should have done a lot better than they did, IMHO.

The state's politics have changed greatly since 2008. We can clearly thank Obama for that. His 2 big social experiments - Stimulus (his payoff to unions) and Obamacare - have really been successful in changing our state to one that had been Democratic leaning to one that is, at a minimum, Republican leaning.

The Dem's underperformed yesterday, especially with Obama directing his national organization to come to WI and knock on doors (won't even get into how inappropriate that is).

It was a great day for WI overall. Yes, we'd have loved to keep all 6 seats, but knew that Kapanke was toast due to his district being trending Democrat and also knew that Hopper could lose due to his infidelities with young staffers.

The Unions poured a lot of money into the Paasch/Darling race and came up short. That one had to leave a mark for them.

The "Hope and Change" we were promised in 2008 never came - well, it did in 2010 due to Scott Walker. You may argue with his methods, but certainly can't complain about his results so far.

Now, Obama, you can complain about his methods (the way he rammed through Healthcare was not unlike how Walker did the budget bill), but with Obama, you can also complain about the results (higher healthcare costs due to Obamacare as verified by CBO, higher unemployment, etc).

I know its hard for liberals to admit when they are wrong, but clearly Walker is a hero, and Obama is a zero.
 

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I may not have a clue, but to call it a victory when you lose two republicans less than a year after elections in the districts they won in kind of sends a message to me. You can dismiss it all you want. My point is, if everyone is happy about the leadership of Walker - as you continue to say - then I would assume all six would hold seats they recently won. I may also be wrong on this, but I heard in two reports last night that all six districts voted for Walker in the election, since you bring up Obama. So, that would seem to be a comment in that regard.

A couple other points. Marine, it seems the only money coming into the state that bothers you is the money (and protestors) that have a different view than you do. And seems to me it shouldn't be that tough in a 12 hour period of time to go cast a vote for something you believe in - but that is a hassle for some, I guess. Plenty of money and campaigning being done by outside sources and financiers supporting the republican incumbents, including the tea party busses, for one.

If you people don't like the money coming in to your elections, you'd better revisit how you feel about the Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations to now fund races all over the country. These races are an indicator of where we're headed in the future.

And Wease - I wasn't crowing about anything. My observations were on point with two republicans losing seats and one hanging in the balance until well after Midnight in the district that just went through plenty of issues with the clerk who botched the results in the state supreme court race in April - and apparently hasn't figured out how to manage an election yet - if that's all that she was really up to, that is. I guess she found enough votes again last night, who knows? 40% of the seats changing hands this soon after an election is worth a mention, I'd say - but thanks for your opinion, as always Weasey... :SIB

Chad:

You may be on the few viewing this as a Democratic "victory"

Headline on Yahoo news (certainly leans more left than right, as most news outlets do):

Wisconsin GOP's stand could reverberate elsewhere

http://news.yahoo.com/wisconsin-gops-stand-could-reverberate-elsewhere-071238130.html
 

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If you people don't like the money coming in to your elections, you'd better revisit how you feel about the Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations to now fund races all over the country. These races are an indicator of where we're headed in the future.
Exactly. And it will get MUCH worse, Chad.

Corporations and wealthy power brokers have declared war on our Democratic election process and they're taking no prisoners.
 

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C'mon Mags. This is clearly a case where both sides can claim victory.

And they have. :0003

Trench - check out the JS article by Dan Bice talking about last nights winners and losers... thought it was pretty good (and not meaning from a partisan viewpoint - just spot on)
 

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Exactly. And it will get MUCH worse, Chad.

Corporations and wealthy power brokers have declared war on our Democratic election process and they're taking no prisoners.

A lot of us don't see it that way. To us, it is finally leveling the playing field against organized labor, who have been buying elections for years in the US.

Finally, conservatives can combat the large money contributed by unions which are sucked out of their members accounts (with political spending being done with each members dues without each members express consent).

So, we finally have a level playing field. What is so wrong with that?

Conservatives may not be loudmouths that spew a lot of profanity like some liberals are (which help them get recognized), but there are a lot of us and our opinions are important also......

Read some interesting comments from people lately on message boards - who support Walker and Darling for example, but are afraid to put signs in their yard or on their car as they are pretty confident that they will get vandalized because of it.

Yet, I (and many other conservatives) would never consider vandalizing a car with a "Recall Walker" bumper sticker.

Now, that is a true class war - conservatives have it, and some, at least, liberals don't.
 
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