how s everyone enjoying those gas prices??
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oh get ready we have about two more years of goughing. What we need is another election to get the price down.
Ironic that the only 2 of 4 posters with addresses come from mass----The home of Kerry--who if he had his way they'd have been paying 50 cents a gallon more for the past 10 years plus---have another sip and complain about the nasty ole oil companies and free enterprise.
Then compare what your paying now to what socialism and regulations will get you--:s1:
Global gas prices ?Click column headings to re-sort?
City Effective Date Price in USD
Regular/Gallon
Nation City Price
UK TEESIDE $5.64
HONG KONG HONG KONG $5.62
UK MILFORD HAVEN $5.56
UK READING $5.56
UK NORWICH $5.54
GERMANY FRANKFURT $5.29
DENMARK COPENHAGEN $5.08
NORWAY STAVANGER $5.07
NORWAY OSLO $4.93
ITALY ROME $4.86
TURKEY ISTANBUL $4.85
PORTUGAL LISBON $4.80
KOREA SEOUL $4.71
SWITZERLAND GENEVA $4.56
KOREA KOJE/OKPO $4.53
AUSTRIA VIENNA $4.50
CROATIA ZAGREB $4.32
JAPAN TOKYO $3.84
AUSTRALIA SYDNEY $2.63
CAMBODIA PHNOM PENH $2.57
TAIWAN TAIPEI $2.47
GEORGIA TBILISI $2.31
LAOS VIENTIANE $1.66
THAILAND BANGKOK $1.60
CHINA TIANJIN $1.54
CHINA SHANGHAI $1.48
RUSSIA MOSCOW $1.45
KAZAKHSTAN ALMATY $1.36
KAZAKHSTAN ATYRAU $1.35
TAJIKISTAN DUSHANBE $1.32
AZERBAIJAN BAKU $1.15
VENEZUELA CARACAS
Then compare what your paying now to what socialism and regulations will get you--:s1:
Global gas prices ?Click column headings to re-sort?
City Effective Date Price in USD
Regular/Gallon
Nation City Price
UK TEESIDE $5.64
HONG KONG HONG KONG $5.62
UK MILFORD HAVEN $5.56
UK READING $5.56
UK NORWICH $5.54
GERMANY FRANKFURT $5.29
DENMARK COPENHAGEN $5.08
NORWAY STAVANGER $5.07
NORWAY OSLO $4.93
ITALY ROME $4.86
TURKEY ISTANBUL $4.85
PORTUGAL LISBON $4.80
KOREA SEOUL $4.71
SWITZERLAND GENEVA $4.56
KOREA KOJE/OKPO $4.53
AUSTRIA VIENNA $4.50
CROATIA ZAGREB $4.32
JAPAN TOKYO $3.84
AUSTRALIA SYDNEY $2.63
CAMBODIA PHNOM PENH $2.57
TAIWAN TAIPEI $2.47
GEORGIA TBILISI $2.31
LAOS VIENTIANE $1.66
THAILAND BANGKOK $1.60
CHINA TIANJIN $1.54
CHINA SHANGHAI $1.48
RUSSIA MOSCOW $1.45
KAZAKHSTAN ALMATY $1.36
KAZAKHSTAN ATYRAU $1.35
TAJIKISTAN DUSHANBE $1.32
AZERBAIJAN BAKU $1.15
VENEZUELA CARACAS
Stevie honestly if you think about this ,this really is a hidden tax hike. You know these two creeps in office are responsible for this. So what is the difference of raising your taxes or goughing your people? This is indefensible. We all saw the snake job they pulled before the election. Now if these crooks were not making 20 billion a quarter i might feel different. Dog shit likes to talk about free enterprise. That is all and well if you invent something or maybe create something. Not something you have no control over because you are basically forced to use it. Something they never invented and just found. Yeah Yeah Yeah they tell you that milk is 255 a gallon but i can have other options at less then 255 and take those. My options not taking their black gold will cost me thousands. these guys are such great americans it just gets a guy giddy.
Wayne,
No offense, but you're f*cking ridiculous. That Kerry 50 cent a gallon crap was discredited 8 ways to sunday long ago, by me and others...and.... uhhhh, by FACTS. Do you really want to go through it again?
dogs that bark said:
What was the price of our fuel in 3/03? 1.15, or thereabouts, I believe, but you check up on that and get back with us.
MUCH more pertinent than Crotia Zagrebs current price.
IRAQ 33 cents, Wyoming $2.05 here in WIS west side of state $2.54. Across river in Minn one mile a way $2.44. Calf up to $3.00. Get ready guys summer driving has not even started. Thing that's shows how there getting us even with $60 a barrel. There just not making as much gas. For get some of the supply and demand story. It's not complete story. It's like Brazil trying to ship ethanol to us at $2.00. Our Government will slap a 25% surge charge on any attempt. EXMobil showing there power again. At $60 a barrel we should be about $2.00. Some one in D C maybe looking the other way. Maybe?
In Iraq and Saudi it is. It could be here to. Greed is in play. And I don't blame middle east. Most of our oil comes from right here and Mexico and Canada. So don't let them BS you about middle east. To bad our government does not stick it to us real good. How about 3 dollar tax like most of Europe. But since that's not happening and never will. Not as long as big oil is in middle of our politics.
You are right. I don't think 10. It would just take 2.50 or 3.00 to change many things fast. But we must remember our country now runs on truck delivery so much. They would need a break. Or I'm afraid our goods we buy would go way up.
The problem with comparing gas prices here to other countries is Americans tend to drive longer distances.
I mean seriously, is anyone in Hong Kong commuting 75 miles to and from work everyday? I bet the average person in countries with $4+ per gallon of gas never needs to drive more than 20 miles. Ever.
Of course that's the shit you have to deal with when you live in a big country that has short sightedly developed a sprawling system of ever-expanding suburbs.
It's a mindset that will take more than 50 years to change.
I mean seriously, is anyone in Hong Kong commuting 75 miles to and from work everyday? I bet the average person in countries with $4+ per gallon of gas never needs to drive more than 20 miles. Ever.
Of course that's the shit you have to deal with when you live in a big country that has short sightedly developed a sprawling system of ever-expanding suburbs.
It's a mindset that will take more than 50 years to change.
"Wayne,
No offense, but you're f*cking ridiculous. That Kerry 50 cent a gallon crap was discredited 8 ways to sunday long ago, by me and others...and.... uhhhh, by FACTS. Do you really want to go through it again?
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Sure would--- who discredited it--
In 1994, Kerry Backed Half-Dollar Increase In Gas Tax. ?Kerry said [the Concord Coalition?s scorecard] did not accurately reflect individual lawmakers? efforts to cut the deficit. ?It doesn?t reflect my $43 billion package of cuts or my support for a 50-cent increase in the gas tax,? Kerry said.? (Jill Zuckman, ?Deficit-Watch Group Gives High Marks To 7 N.E. Lawmakers,? The Boston Globe, 3/1/94)
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http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=165
Analysis
As we've noted before , Kerry's support for a 50-cent-a-gallon increase in the gasoline tax happened a decade ago, back when regular was selling for a national average of $1.01 per gallon. Kerry's support was so fleeting that the only evidence of it to surface so far are two old newspaper clips in which Kerry complains that he deserved more credit as a deficit-cutter. He never voted for, or sponsored, legislation to impose such a tax, and he doesn't support one now, when the price is just under $1.76.
Misleading Vote Count
By saying that Kerry "supported higher gasoline taxes 11 times" this ad could give you the idea that Kerry voted for 11 different tax increases, which isn't true. Actually, a close look at the Bush campaign's own count shows that nine of the eleven were about a single increase. Five of those votes came in the manuevering that led to a single 4.3-cent-per-gallon increase in 1993, as part of President Clinton's economic package. Four more votes for "higher" taxes were actually cast against Republican attempts to repeal that same 4.3-cent increase in 1996, 1998 and 2000. (On one of those votes most Republicans voted against repeal, too.) The Bush campaign also counts a vote in 2000 against a proposal to suspend the federal gasoline tax entirely for six months -- which left gasoline taxes unchanged, not "higher." The 11th instance cited by the Bush campaign wasn't a vote at all -- just that Kerry quote from 1994 that he'd once supported a 50-cent increase.
so what do the FACTS show us Matt:shrug:
Which party would say has been for lower gas taxes and which for higher gas taxes--now add to that --the fact that they want to increase taxes on oil companies profits--do you think that will lead to higher or lower gas prices?
Would it be safe to say that if we didn't have the Rebs holding them in check--we could see a $1 a gallon minimum tacked on to price of gal of gas--on top of market flucuations. ?
No offense, but you're f*cking ridiculous. That Kerry 50 cent a gallon crap was discredited 8 ways to sunday long ago, by me and others...and.... uhhhh, by FACTS. Do you really want to go through it again?
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Sure would--- who discredited it--
In 1994, Kerry Backed Half-Dollar Increase In Gas Tax. ?Kerry said [the Concord Coalition?s scorecard] did not accurately reflect individual lawmakers? efforts to cut the deficit. ?It doesn?t reflect my $43 billion package of cuts or my support for a 50-cent increase in the gas tax,? Kerry said.? (Jill Zuckman, ?Deficit-Watch Group Gives High Marks To 7 N.E. Lawmakers,? The Boston Globe, 3/1/94)
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http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=165
Analysis
As we've noted before , Kerry's support for a 50-cent-a-gallon increase in the gasoline tax happened a decade ago, back when regular was selling for a national average of $1.01 per gallon. Kerry's support was so fleeting that the only evidence of it to surface so far are two old newspaper clips in which Kerry complains that he deserved more credit as a deficit-cutter. He never voted for, or sponsored, legislation to impose such a tax, and he doesn't support one now, when the price is just under $1.76.
Misleading Vote Count
By saying that Kerry "supported higher gasoline taxes 11 times" this ad could give you the idea that Kerry voted for 11 different tax increases, which isn't true. Actually, a close look at the Bush campaign's own count shows that nine of the eleven were about a single increase. Five of those votes came in the manuevering that led to a single 4.3-cent-per-gallon increase in 1993, as part of President Clinton's economic package. Four more votes for "higher" taxes were actually cast against Republican attempts to repeal that same 4.3-cent increase in 1996, 1998 and 2000. (On one of those votes most Republicans voted against repeal, too.) The Bush campaign also counts a vote in 2000 against a proposal to suspend the federal gasoline tax entirely for six months -- which left gasoline taxes unchanged, not "higher." The 11th instance cited by the Bush campaign wasn't a vote at all -- just that Kerry quote from 1994 that he'd once supported a 50-cent increase.
so what do the FACTS show us Matt:shrug:
Which party would say has been for lower gas taxes and which for higher gas taxes--now add to that --the fact that they want to increase taxes on oil companies profits--do you think that will lead to higher or lower gas prices?
Would it be safe to say that if we didn't have the Rebs holding them in check--we could see a $1 a gallon minimum tacked on to price of gal of gas--on top of market flucuations. ?
Dogs you really are way off. Let us say what you say is true and Kerry did propose a tax hike of 50 cents a gallon. At least the money would be going to TAXES and not in some Oil indistries CEO's Golden Parachuet. Big difference.
Funny, that's the exact same bit from fact-check that myself and others used back a couple years ago when you were making statements like this:
This Kerry thing is a perfect example of a Dogs-ism. Holding Kerry to a position made when the price of gas was a paltry $1.10 per gallon, and intimating that no matter what price gas is, he still supports that - despite never voting FOR that, nor suggesting it again when the price is high.
Going even further, the Bush administration (and its local lapdog(s)) used this very issue in the flip-flopping hysteria campaign days saying at one time he was for a gas tax increase, and then he was against it. So, they even made the leap of faith that Kerry was against the same tax he is criticized for.
You just can't make this stuff up...
And the REALLY amazing thing about this argument, is that Dogs is trying to take credit for Republicans holding gas taxes down, when the Republicans (we can keep it to the administration oil cabal in this case...) are the ones specifically responsible for inviting the energy companies in to shape our current energy policy.
How has that worked out for all of us? Pretty dang well, if you are an oil company executive, or Dogs, who merely invests in the oil companies because he knows how much they are benefitting from the current administration. Not sayin' the investment is wrong, just sayin.' Hard to give you any objectivity value in this situation, in any way, shape or form, Wayne.
Going even further, the Bush administration (and its local lapdog(s)) used this very issue in the flip-flopping hysteria campaign days saying at one time he was for a gas tax increase, and then he was against it. So, they even made the leap of faith that Kerry was against the same tax he is criticized for.
You just can't make this stuff up...
And the REALLY amazing thing about this argument, is that Dogs is trying to take credit for Republicans holding gas taxes down, when the Republicans (we can keep it to the administration oil cabal in this case...) are the ones specifically responsible for inviting the energy companies in to shape our current energy policy.
How has that worked out for all of us? Pretty dang well, if you are an oil company executive, or Dogs, who merely invests in the oil companies because he knows how much they are benefitting from the current administration. Not sayin' the investment is wrong, just sayin.' Hard to give you any objectivity value in this situation, in any way, shape or form, Wayne.
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This Kerry thing is a perfect example of a Dogs-ism. Holding Kerry to a position made when the price of gas was a paltry $1.10 per gallon, and intimating that no matter what price gas is, he still supports that - despite never voting FOR that, nor suggesting it again when the price is high.
Going even further, the Bush administration (and its local lapdog(s)) used this very issue in the flip-flopping hysteria campaign days saying at one time he was for a gas tax increase, and then he was against it. So, they even made the leap of faith that Kerry was against the same tax he is criticized for.
You just can't make this stuff up...
Lets say there was a 50 cent tax back in the day so now the price would be over 3 dollars. Im sure dog would point this out on why the price was so high and not the 1.50 gouging overcharge to benefit a select few. To me this gouging is the single worst thing for an economy. This kills the food industry because first of all the price of food goes up along with a new fee the truckers charge you for delivery. You just can't keep changing your prices on the menu and its tough to raise the prices because people are seeing less money in their pockets to spend. Then you have people deciding whether to grab a sandwich at your shop or throwing that extra ten dollars into their tank which they were not doing before. It just trickle downs to so many areas but what ya gonna do with these two creeps in office. To think they have nothing to do with this is laughable. It is almost as laughable as thinking they were not playing games during the election. Since that con didn't work i think they want to get those lost billions back. I was wondering has any of them built any new refineries like they were crying about last year?
