if your TENN - what do you do to win?

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how do you 'gameplan' to give yourself a chance at pulling the upset?

other than taking a belicheck-ian run at it, in saying you score more than your opponent kinda deal

lotta people say don't get into shootouts with pats

with players tenn have, if you were TEN coaching staff, what do you think gives your team the best chance to compete in this game?


try sustain long drives, run ball, keep brady on bench, def fresh and hope that convert more TD's than FG's on offense?

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go off the page, in true goliath/underdog fashion and try anything/everything and hope change of 'the norm' provides enough confusion with other squad, to escape with W?




---to the board, lets hear how-- if TENN has chance to pull off upset, they would best be suited, at trying to do so
 
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A pass-heavy offensive game plan with a steady dose of designed Mariota runs mixed in. On defense: pray to god Brady doesn't torch their weak secondary.
 

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Mariota being fully prepared to sacrifice his own body to fake passes and run for first downs. Also, using the "possibility" of the QB running to open up a back to throw to. :shrug:
 

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Henry right, Henry left, Henry up the middle...run, run, run control the clock
 

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better just play for the spread cover


well the players themselves (to best of my knowledge) don't play for the spread cover -- and you're prolly right that the cover is a more achievable goal, but thats not the question we're mulling over - nor is it really what the players should be thinking.


if they're worth their salt as players, they want to keep moving on in these playoffs (as should be appreciated for how hard it is to get into playoffs alone, nevermind advance) - i mean, thats every player

to me, mariota has to be the difference maker, lynch pin for everything to go right. based off track record, has been abysmal on the road. not onlt does he have to play better, but he has to play on a level that approaches what deshaun watson did against the pats in WK 3. he has alot going against him to be able to easily replicate that however

1) a lesser supporting cast around him
2) mariota is more a known commodity in sense been around league longer that pats have more tape on, to undertsand what tendencies are, vs limited (by comparison) of what had on deshaun
3) offensive ability. granted, maybe tenn knows exactly what they have and are actually playing (very well) to their strengths, though in this game you feel they'll have to do more than play to strengths, and will have to push limits of what is thought can do.


now is that a product of the sometimes not as stout, pass rush from the pats (re: deshaun watson)? mind you, they added pass rush specialist in Harrison, who went ahead and notched, what was it, 3 sacks(?)... but yeah their pash russ -to me- is more reliant on qb needing to hold ball longer because OFF feels need big play in playing catchup to, that results in negative yd (no gain) plays. --and thats every off/def matchup, but prolly more so than most for NE, because of their lack of base pressure.



imo, these aren't the patriots of old with an offense you can't stop. maybe im soured by a handful of games i watched, though i guess as a complete team, they're close to as well situated across the board, as one could hope; hence where they got themselves to, proves out how good (yet, i hesitate to buy into completely).

---even still here now (with them just 2 games away), i do not see this team making it to the SB - thats just a gut feeling i have. ---so realistically i guess i'd hafta hang my hat on steelers (or jaguars?) to be most formidable opponent (and for good reason, as tenn has really not done whole lot to instill confidence in throughout year - in being verrrry up and down)

im not gonna get into the strength of schedules/vs whom they played, though in limited time have been able to watch pats (which is alot less than any other avg New Englander) i really haven't been altogether overly impressed by whole body of work by offense. The defense looked insanely pourous early on, and DC matt patricia took what he had and molded into a stingier crew towards the tail end of yr, to the tune of something like 5th best in NFL as far as scoring against from 2nd half on (don;t quote me on that though).

in order of ability to be gamebreaker (aside fro brady throwing) it goes like this, again, imo

Gronk (seeing how vital Kelce was in regards to KC vs tenn) - has been, and will continue to be matchup nightmare. best chance at corraling is when brady is off-target to
Dion Lewis - you never know who'll get the hot hand in pats backfield, but far as dion, has proven the better complete back (slightly) over likes of rex burkhead, james white -- certainly most complete/explosive back.
Brandin Cooks - CAN BE game changer if gets behind defense - though if struggles get separation tends to disappear (that said, watch him go off)
Danny Amendola - with Julian Edelman gone, amendola has been the catch-all for the much needed tough catch/clutch play to move chains kinda guy (more than he was with Edelman). Not by any means the flashiest, as is Tom's ol' standby when needs a play (so it seems)

throw in getting Chris Hogan back helps familiarity some for Tom's comfort.


Only grank is really able to take a game over - and im surprised he doesn't garner more attention from the def side than he does. - but again, at what cost do you help with him? so i get it

then after that dion lewis, who can turn a 3yd catch/run into a 60yd score better than rest (obv Cooks TDs are long, but that mostly just field stretching - even though something should be said for being able get behind defense / speed)


so as a TENN defense (which admittedly i really don't know much about), do you try pressure up middle (which from what i've read is best way get tom off his spot) -- maybe double team Gronk with a LB and safety. shadow cooks with best corner? that right there is dedicating 3 people to 2 and you're already behind the numbers in trying keep tabs on all weapons at disposal.

on defense i guess you'd somehow hafta take a page out of NE's def playbook and be (at worst) a bend but don't break unit. give up yards, but not TDs, Tom, since getting cooks on board, seems to be airing it out a whole helluva lot more than did (going back to Randy Moss days) though this year has looked like forcing more than ever. sure i buy into the give your guy a chance to make a play kinda mentality, and if cooks has step, why not? even too, if doesn't catch it, always have the chance get pass interference which is easily next best thing to completion at that point --- so there are plenty 'good things' that can happen in just chucking it down field (and i guess to get to point im making is, brady hasn't been as impressive --in eye test-- this year, than have seen -albeit in more limited attempts, that in prev years) - and maybe this is a moot point that doesn't come into play at all.



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...and i guess to get to point im making is, brady hasn't been as impressive --in eye test-- this year, than have seen -albeit in more limited attempts, that in prev years) - and maybe this is a moot point that doesn't come into play at all.

The Sports Medical Analyst here reports and opines (an excerpt):

Brady?s 87.3 passer rating over final six games of the regular season ? coinciding with his name next to ?Achilles? on the injury report ? comprised his worst six-game stretch since the start of the 2013 season.... The cold makes it more difficult for muscles and tendons to get and stay warm, which could accentuate the effects of his Achilles issue. If it is bothering him, where it will come up first is not in mobility, but as he steps into throws as he pushes the ball downfield.

The more he throws using just his arm strength instead of stepping into throws, the less accurate he may be.
 

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The Sports Medical Analyst here reports and opines (an excerpt):

Brady?s 87.3 passer rating over final six games of the regular season ? coinciding with his name next to ?Achilles? on the injury report ? comprised his worst six-game stretch since the start of the 2013 season.... The cold makes it more difficult for muscles and tendons to get and stay warm, which could accentuate the effects of his Achilles issue. If it is bothering him, where it will come up first is not in mobility, but as he steps into throws as he pushes the ball downfield.

The more he throws using just his arm strength instead of stepping into throws, the less accurate he may be.


interesting

as much as ive stopped paying attention to patriots injury reports, it certainly was a newer one, for brady at least, that might have more of an impact than originally thought
 

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Logic says, they should try and imitate the few previous scripts that have been succesful in Foxboro......

On offense...That would call for Henry to have 28 carries and Mariota to not turn it over.

On defense... That would call for a physical man-to-man coverage with consistent pressure on Brady.



The issue for me....Titans normal gameplan regularly calls for Henry/Murray to tote it 30 times....and if you go into Foxboro doing the same thing that you've done all year, Bilichik usually has s gameplan ready to shut down your strengths....

So, does Tennessee stick to normal script and hope to out-execute a New England team that thrives off of exactly that....executing and being more fundamentally sound....or do they come in and try to catch New England with a different gameplan that has Mariota rushing it himself 12 times and airing it out another 35 times?

Who knows in games like this, ecspecially when Temnesse could become desperate, and get away from whatever their initial gameplan was....


Game flow is obviously huge for how the running game can be inplemented....if Titans are forced to throw it around the yard, does Mariota have enough weapons to beat a Bilichik/Patricia lead defense?

Guess we will see. My guess is the ML on Tennessee is a lost cause....but the spread is interesting....the back door will probably be open


So I guess I'm saying is, this is a great thread, and I have no idea what to expect from Mularkey and Co.


GL to you.


P.S...I'm taking the over and staying away from sides....I think Brady will be able to expose this defense and Henry and Mariota will do enough to score 21....

34-21 final is my guess

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If I were Tennessee I would try get Brady out of the game....only chance they have to win SU
 

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Logic says, they should try and imitate the few previous scripts that have been succesful in Foxboro......

On offense...That would call for Henry to have 28 carries and Mariota to not turn it over.

On defense... That would call for a physical man-to-man coverage with consistent pressure on Brady.



The issue for me....Titans normal gameplan regularly calls for Henry/Murray to tote it 30 times....and if you go into Foxboro doing the same thing that you've done all year, Bilichik usually has s gameplan ready to shut down your strengths....

So, does Tennessee stick to normal script and hope to out-execute a New England team that thrives off of exactly that....executing and being more fundamentally sound....or do they come in and try to catch New England with a different gameplan that has Mariota rushing it himself 12 times and airing it out another 35 times?

Who knows in games like this, ecspecially when Temnesse could become desperate, and get away from whatever their initial gameplan was....


Game flow is obviously huge for how the running game can be inplemented....if Titans are forced to throw it around the yard, does Mariota have enough weapons to beat a Bilichik/Patricia lead defense?

Guess we will see. My guess is the ML on Tennessee is a lost cause....but the spread is interesting....the back door will probably be open


So I guess I'm saying is, this is a great thread, and I have no idea what to expect from Mularkey and Co.


GL to you.


P.S...I'm taking the over and staying away from sides....I think Brady will be able to expose this defense and Henry and Mariota will do enough to score 21....

34-21 final is my guess

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thanks addict! Good stuff, as always.

I was hoping people discuss their takes on and in sharing see if come across anything that resonates with, finds a light goin off in your head kinda deal. Considering wildcard games were 1-3 to under, on that basis alone I think totals ?at worst? go 2-2 today/tomorrow. Weather getting crisper over here ((more cooler than cold per se)) (bout 10 or so miles from stadium) but sun out (which won?t be case game time) and nice -kinda ideal weather for a playoff football game.
 

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If I were Tennessee I would try get Brady out of the game....only chance they have to win SU


Based off recent less-than-stellar play that accompanied toms trouble with Achilles that terryray soo aptly pointed out, I would usually be of mind that Tom prolly plays decent ?but I hesitate to, based off stat read where apparently tenn is ranked near bottom of league when defending passes to rbs, outta backfield. Course have Dion (whose shiftiness and versatility I?ve loved when at PITT) but too now, prolly their best pass catching back, to return in James white -who for sure will get a decent chunk of run, one would figure

-based off that explanation alone in tenn?s struggles vs pass catching backs, I figure will factor largely into 2 tds for NE (if not actual scores themselves, big plays -and or drive sustaining conversions)
 
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