I'm Confused

[Justinsmom829]

I'm trying to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head so I'll know how to vote come November.

Right now, we have one guy saying one thing. Then the other guy says something else. Who to believe. Lemme see. have I got this straight?

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists -good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator --bad...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy -- good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps -- bad...

Clinton commits felonies while in office -- good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit -- bad...

Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - good...
Entire world says WMD in Iraq - bad...

No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nukes -- good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes -- bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

Milosevic not yet convicted -- good...
Saddam turned over for trial -- bad...

Ahh, it's so confusing!

 

[FatBoy]

spin it anyway you want.

Yugo - we went in with UN support

Iraq - we went in without UN and against world opinion.

 

[bubbas1]

It will all come down to which side outspins the other side. Its really sad that most (not all) voters will believe all the bashing without even trying to look up the info for themselves to see if it is true or not.

 

[kosar]

Diverting resources from fighting Al-Queda to attack a country that posed no immediate threat-Bad

Arresting a genocide in progress without losing one American life-Good

Chain emails-Bad

 

[AR182]

fatboy quote:"Yugo - we went in with UN support "

i'm pretty sure that un did not support the war in the balkens.

 

[Nosigar]

fatboy quote:"Yugo - we went in with UN support "

i'm pretty sure that un did not support the war in the balkens.

I know the French didn't suport it. Chirac said it would unite the people against any outside intervention. Yeah, for a few weeks. And why would Chirac care about ethnic cleansing. Hell, he had bidnizz to do.

 

[selkirk]

"Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists -good..".

who said the Albanian were terrorists, when the fighting began many of there citizens were being killed in mass graves does that make them terrorists?

how much funding did the Taliban get from Ablanian how did it get from Saudia Arabia.

"Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator"

no that is good.

"Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad..."

both parties were in power and could have done more, Clinton should have done more that blow a few buildings in the desert. and put presure on Saudia Arabia and pakistan to stop supporting taliban and the terrorists in the country. Bush could have done the same.

when the northern alliance came to ask for funding to fight the Taliban and OSB they were shown the door by both parties.sad. that a few weeks later their leader is killed and then one week later 9-11. both parties did not act.


Milosevic not yet convicted -- good...
Saddam turned over for trial -- bad...

milosevic will be convicted the trial if he lives through it, bad health will take 1-3 years, he is in custody and not going anywhere so best if all of the information comes out and it is seen as fair as posible, three groups of people have to live with each other after it is all over.



No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...


this is wrong they have found mass graves in Serbia, where hundreds/thousands were killed. who says they did not find mass graves. they have found the graves. Milosevic is on trial for this.


thanks
selkirk

 

[Wilson]

Thanks JMOM..

Best post of the year...of course it was a given that these tree hugging hypocrites would quickly defecate upon it.

Kosar..if you disagree so much with the current admin's policies....tough shite. :142lmao:

This country wouldn't miss ya if ya left....Cuba is only a hop skip and jump from where you are at..you are a perfect fit.

 

[kosar]

Thanks JMOM..

Best post of the year...of course it was a given that these tree hugging hypocrites would quickly defecate upon it.

Kosar..if you disagree so much with the current admin's policies....tough shite. :142lmao:

This country wouldn't miss ya if ya left....Cuba is only a hop skip and jump from where you are at..you are a perfect fit.

Wilson,

Is there ever anything in particular that you take issue with, or do you just make generalizations as you're goose-stepping along. Have you posted one opinion or original thought?

You're right that it's 'tough shite' for me if I don't agree with this clusterfu*k of an admin, but it's quite possible that that condition will only last another few months. If that happens i'll be sure to remind you of your quote as you start bashing the new admin. I'll be sure to point you in the direction of Cuba as well.

It speaks volumes for your mental state that you consider a chain email that has been circulating for years and is full of lies and inaccuracies to be 'post of the year'.

 

[Hoops]

Yeah, kosar. If you disagree with any of the administration's policies, get the hell out of here.

 

[Wilson]

Wilson,

Is there ever anything in particular that you take issue with, or do you just make generalizations as you're goose-stepping along. Have you posted one opinion or original thought?

You're right that it's 'tough shite' for me if I don't agree with this clusterfu*k of an admin, but it's quite possible that that condition will only last another few months. If that happens i'll be sure to remind you of your quote as you start bashing the new admin. I'll be sure to point you in the direction of Cuba as well.

It speaks volumes for your mental state that you consider a chain email that has been circulating for years and is full of lies and inaccuracies to be 'post of the year'.

Its an improbable goal to teach the blind about vision. You see, Kosar, you and your clan are what is wrong with this country. You sit on your ass for eight years while our country becomes discombobulated germane to focus of our citizens safety and well being...then finally when the ship is being righted..you cloud the focus by crying foul at every turn.

You and every other liberal fawk out there are detrimental to me and my family's safety. But, that is just my opinion..I could be wrong...

 

[Wilson]

You can take Hoops with you.

 

[FatBoy]

Wilson,

So if you disagree with the current admin policies, you should leave the country? I guess I'm wrong, but I thought freedom of speech (and opinion) was one of our greatest rights. I guess we should just blindly follow and believe whatever our gov't tells us...

Justinsmom,

I'm really not sure what comparing the Serbian situation to Iraq accomplishes. Hey, if you support Bush and companies policies, fine. That's yours and every American's right. Just, as it is every Americans right to disagree with our policies.

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To those people who agree with our invasion and occupation of Iraq I ask;

1.) The reason we were given for the invasion was there were WMD. Spin it any way you want, but that was what we were told. Given that fact, I supported the invasion. Since it is generally accepted now as fiction, I no longer do support our efforts. How do you all still support/justify the Iraq war/occupation?

2.) If your answer is he was a Bad man who needed to be removed, or because Iraq was harboring terrorists. I ask why are we not in N.Korea, Sudan, etc whose governments are just as bad if not worse? Or why we don't seem to care about Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia etc, who probably harbored more terrorists then Iraq before the invasion?


3a.) Do you believe that our government's actions in Iraq have helped or hurt our chances with regards to future terrorist attacks?


3b.) Do you believe that our governments actions in Irag have helped or hurt our standing (perception) in the eyes of the rest of the world?

 

[Wilson]

No, I believe people should have the right to speak out.....its the liberal fawks that bark at every move for politcal gain/interest.

Don't put words in my mouth.

By the way...Kosar and Hoops both fit the above charateristic.

 

[Wilson]

1.) The reason we were given for the invasion was there were WMD. Spin it any way you want, but that was what we were told. Given that fact, I supported the invasion. Since it is generally accepted now as fiction, I no longer do support our efforts. How do you all still support/justify the Iraq war/occupation? Water under the dam..intelligence was bogus....but, its easy for you to say you simply don't support it....would you now support a full withdrawl?

2.) If your answer is he was a Bad man who needed to be removed, or because Iraq was harboring terrorists. I ask why are we not in N.Korea, Sudan, etc whose governments are just as bad if not worse? Or why we don't seem to care about Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia etc, who probably harbored more terrorists then Iraq before the invasion? what? so, you liberals can have more arsenal to use against this administration?


3a.) Do you believe that our government's actions in Iraq have helped or hurt our chances with regards to future terrorist attacks? From Saddam Hussein..yes.


3b.) Do you believe that our governments actions in Irag have helped or hurt our standing (perception) in world? Wow, was the perception a lot better prior to the war?

 

[kosar]

You can take Hoops with you.

Kosar and Hoops would have a blast in Cuba. Lots of hot chicks, I hear.

 

[djv]

MOM forget this junk. Both Clinton and Bush are half nuts. You as a Gal should vote for the party that let's you decide what is best for you as a woman and for your kids. Now the Rebs want to tell you what doc to go to and what you can and can not do with your own body. The Rebs love everyone to have assault weapons. I guess they believe a good old shot gun or 357 is not enough. Mom they say they have this no kid left behind thing. Only problem the Rebs have only half funded it. So that does not help your schools. If I was a Gal I could not vote for a republican.

 

[FatBoy]

1.) Well I do not believe it was faulty intelligence. I think the intelligence was molded to what Bush and company wanted it be. In retrospect, the invasion should never have happened. I do not think that Gore would have invaded Iraq However, since we are there, I'd like to see some sort multi-lateral UN force there instead of mainly our boys and girls.

2.) My point was that it was known beforehand where the real danger was. It was not Iraq or in Iraq. Instead, we chose to invade a paper Tiger, figuring we could kick their ass quickly. Well, we kicked their ass alright, but now we have the same problems facing us as Israel does.

3.) Well I don't think there was a threat at all and we knew it.

4.) Yes, the perception of the US from most countries was better before the Iraq invasion. I think that we have lost the support of many countries that we will need in the future. Our credibility right now is in an all time low. If you don't think that this is important, then you need to start looking at this from more of a global viewpoint rather then from an isolationist one.

 

[Hoops]

Wilson- Considering I'm not liberal, nor a democrat in any way, shape or form, your assertation falls into your usual category of Mr. Roboto-total BS-falsehoods. Must be nice living in a world where everything is either black or white to you.

 

[OUTRIGGER]

Bottom line, Republicans in power, I keep the money I work hard for. Democrats in power, everybody else gets the money I make.