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Pretty easy to recruit under *these* circumstances.


Thursday, November 7, 2002

BY LARRY LAGE
ASSOCIATED PRESS

ANN ARBOR -- The University of Michigan punished the men's basketball program Thursday, ordering a one-year postseason ban, forfeiting victories for certain years and removing championship banners from Crisler Arena as a result of the scandal surrounding a former booster.

In a letter submitted to the NCAA Thursday, Michigan said the men's basketball team would: be ineligible to participate in the 2003 NCAA tournament as well as the 2003 National Invitation Tournament; be placed on probation for two years; forfeit all victories earned during the entire 1992-1993 season and all seasons from fall 1995 to spring 1999; return $450,000 to the NCAA for money earned for appearing in the NCAA tournament during those years; and have four championship banners removed.

"There is no excuse for what happened. It was wrong -- plain and simple," university president Mary Sue Coleman said. "This is a day of great shame."

The scandal, involving Ed Martin, has been an ongoing headache for Michigan, with some, including former athletic director Don Canham, saying it has caused irrevocable damage to the university, not just the basketball program.

Martin, who pleaded guilty in May to conspiracy to launder money, has said he took gambling money, combined it with other funds and lent it to Sacramento Kings star Chris Webber and other former Michigan basketball players and their families while the players were still amateurs.

By imposing the sanctions on itself, Michigan hopes to forestall more severe action by the NCAA.

Athletic director Bill Martin said the university received a formal letter of inquiry from the NCAA on Oct. 29. Thursday's report represented Michigan's official response, said Martin, who is not related to Ed Martin.

"We have worked closely with NCAA at every stage," he said. "We will now ask to get on the schedule for a hearing with the infractions committee as soon as possible. We hope it will be very soon."

NCAA spokesman Wally Renfro said Thursday that the association doesn't comment on pending investigations.

The scandal traces itself to the "Fab Five" era, during which the basketball program became a national sensation.

Webber and four other freshmen, including future NBA stars Juwan Howard and Jalen Rose, with their baggy shorts and black socks, led the Wolverines to two consecutive NCAA finals in 1992 and 1993.

The banners taken down are the 1992 Final Four, 1993 Final Four, 1997 NIT championship and the 1998 Big Ten tournament championship.

Martin has said he paid $280,000 to Webber; $160,000 to Robert Traylor, who plays for the New Orleans Hornets; $105,000 to Maurice Taylor, who plays for the Houston Rockets; and $71,000 to Louis Bullock, who plays for a professional team in Spain.

Webber, along with his father, Mayce Webber Jr., and aunt, Charlene Johnson, are charged with lying to a grand jury and obstructing justice in Martin's case. They have pleaded innocent and their trials are not expected to begin until next year.

Martin's name first surfaced after former Michigan standout Maurice Taylor lost control of his Ford Explorer on February 17, 1996. He was returning from a party in Detroit with four teammates who were entertaining Mateen Cleaves on his official recruiting visit.

Cleaves led Michigan State to the 2000 national title.

The well-publicized crash led to the first of three investigations, the firing of head coach Steve Fisher and the cloud that has hovered over Michigan's basketball program since.

Second-year coach Tommy Amaker has continued to do everything he can to turn around the program, despite possibility of NCAA sanctions stemming from the activities of Martin.

He signed five freshmen -- including two of the best prospects in the country -- for this season and also has received commitments from three high school seniors for next year, including two marquee players: shooting guard Dion Harris of Detroit and center Courtney Sims of Boston.

Last year, during Amaker's first season, the Wolverines continued to struggle, going 11-18 overall and 5-11 in the Big Ten.
 

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But the whole point of the matter is the ncaa rules people are full of shit i delt with them for over 10 years. They can do what they want and force programs and schools to do things that are wrong to the people that are there now. I am not a big mich fan but they got shafted the players now. If your a 5th year sr you can not transfer even if you go down a div you still have a 90 day waiting period. And if you are a under classmen you must set out year somewhere and use your red shirt then if you get hurt getting a med red shirt is like waiting for a new heart almost. then most players might have used the red shirt their first year so they lose the 5 to 4 rule ncaa is a bunch of stiifed nose pricks with a few bitches mixed in that would not know a sports arena from a out house paper pushers who act like god.

If you want punishmet fine the university for lack of inst. control and leave the kids or young adults whom were in what 7th grade out of it. Hell i along with many cocaches broke and break rules everyday,biggest one buy a kid some food to put in apartment so he can eat ,don't give money but fill him up with food not all players get full rides you pnly have so many you can give and you better off splitting them all up to meet your needs. Hell it against the rules to see a player walking to class and give him a ride can't tell you how many times i broke that rule even written up once for it. so f the ncaa and their higher then god thoughts because they have no clue to what goes on in the life of a coach or a player. When you are on the black ball list lookout,and i can say this with 100% every i say every program and coaches break a rule each week ,car ride phone calls food a few bucks for gas just life things that people need and some families do not have the means to help their child out right then and now not talking 1000 bucks but fill a gas tank up spend 30-40 on some real food for the fridge let a kid call home from office if they have a family problem. I say the ncaa rules people need to be removed and new fresh minds brought in. But as a coach they can black ball you and your done seen it happen to a few friends of mine,they use you as a scape goat last one that comes to mine billy banyo talk about shaft if you want to probe start with the top school president and deans now there are you crooks. And will do what ever it takes to save their ass as a coach you are on a island by yourself trust me no one will take youback because they know what is in their closet.
 
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Ah, you take down all the banners you want but you can't erase the memories! You'll never see 5 freshman have a chance to win the National Title in your lifetime again. Let alone do it back to back!

Well said fletcher
 

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I feel bad for Amaker and the current players, but the fact of the matter is Michigan committed big time infractions..hundreds of thousands of dollars given to recruits..not a few hundred or thousand bucks here and there. And the higher-ups in the school surely had to have some clue as to what was going on (and this was an on going situation with Martin). Wolvs got caught, the program has to pay the price, which, like I said, is extremely unfortunate for the current members of the program.

Hopefully Webber will do some time for perjury...he might want to amend his version of things now as his sown school obviously doesn't buy his nonsense either.
 

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Hoops said:

Hopefully Webber will do some time for perjury...

Yeah, like an NBA superstar will go to jail....that's a good one. :p If they did, maybe he could share a cell with Art Shlister!

My favorite Fab 5 moment was when they, as freshman, knocked off Ohio State in the Final Four. That alone made up for the embarrasment vs Duke.
 
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I agree with most of fletcher's comments. The NCAA rules committee has left off one very important thing, COMMON SENSE. These rules don't allow for life stuff. The beauty of the whole system should be that a kid can come from a poverty stricken ghetto and get a chance at an education and a new beginning even if he isn't good enough to play professionally. Some of these folks are just getting richer and richer on the backs of these kids. They don't all make it to the NBA.

Leave some room for some common sense and don't penalize the kids who had no part in the wrong-doings.
 

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This explains all those mich wins THEY CHEAT
MICHIGAN THE CHEATERS OF THE WEST hmh

Tressel 1 mich 0
 

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ctownguy said:
This explains all those mich wins THEY CHEAT
MICHIGAN THE CHEATERS OF THE WEST hmh

Tressel 1 mich 0

Actually.......they are just the latest to get nabbed........
 

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Won't belong and buddget cuts will start to kell some programs. Then the NCAA will say it's ok for money to come from where ever to support the university.
 

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I don't have the answers just can't see punishing the current players . Webb & the rest keep on with there career , u of m cuts a check, steve fisher is still coaching, ncaa still fails to join the real world & a kid like Lavell Blanchard gets it in the ass. something is wrong with this picture.
 
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