Iraq Complains

djv

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There pissed at us because there is power to only half the country. And right now it's running around 110 each day. Hey we blew the chit up. They can fix it. That will give them something to do instead of sit on there asses. Take our money and complain.
The U S is full of emty promise the Iraqis say. To bad tell Bush and the boys. Don't come with this BS it's every americans fult.
One of Saddam Daughter wants to go home. Let her go just be a funeral in a few days. What a dumb head.
I see the insurgents only blew up two pipe lines this week. Dont worry about those pipe lines build another school. Half that oil still goes to France anyway. And we let it. We just seem to keep doing everything half ass back wards.
 

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You got to get away from that NY/ LA times and Algezeera media DJV and your day will look much brighter.
Maybe this will put a smile on your face.:)

In Iraq, 'Failure Is Not an Option'

Saturday, June 12, 2004



WASHINGTON ? The new Iraqi leadership under Prime Minister Iyad Allawi (search) acknowledges that security is the top concern in the country right now.

But the new cabinet is also anxious to remind onlookers of the big picture often lost in the day-to-day reporting.

"I think almost all Iraqis are so grateful to the brilliant work and vision of George W. Bush of liberating 27 million Iraqis last year ? of getting rid of the most despotic, the most tyrannical, ruthless regime ever seen of Saddam Hussein," said Muwaffak Rubai (search), the interim Iraqi national security adviser. "We feel a sense of belonging back to us; we feel we are freed."

"Our success here means bad news for so many terrible governments who have a stake proving that democracy cannot survive in this region," added Barham Salah, the interim deputy prime minister. "It can be done; it must be done, and failure is not an option."

Markets are packed with Iraqis, electricity is more stable now than before the war, schools are in session and hospitals are fully operational.

Perhaps the biggest changes are happening in Iraqi's judicial system. The main courtroom in the central court of Iraq is where former dictator Saddam Hussein may face justice. It's just one of more than 105 courthouses that are now up and running in Iraq.

In recent weeks, five Iraqi judges have been killed by terrorists anxious to stop the progress.

Iraqi leaders know there will be more suffering to come ? but it will come, they say, on the road to self-rule.

"Every person should be worried about his life, but I think the question should be, 'Are you willing to sacrifice your life to have something good?' The answer would be 'Yes,'" said Zuhair Al-Maliky (search), Iraq's chief investigative judge. "Iraq is full of patriotic people who are willing to re-establish their country, because they suffered a lot
 

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I would not call my friend a moron by any sense of the imagination--in fact I have been quite impressed by his ability to recall events and stats thru the course of years and in addition from his posts i gather he reads or views no less than 4 or 5 sources of media daily--lets just say he is somewhat pessimistic at times.:)
 

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DTB, I know he reads alot. but his conclusions are from off the wll somewhere. The moron was just a joke, playing off of oxymoron.

djv is just like all of the professed one time Republicans or albeit independents on this site. They are all truly liberals at heart no matter what they profess, just read their posts and it can't help but come out.

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:thefinger :firing: :nutkick It was from the A P and what part of the above would you all not agree with. There just simple facts.
And since everyone agrees we stay in Iraq till it's this perfect land.
At what cost to you and your family. And since we need so many things done here at home. Seems strange you dont want to spend the money here at home.
 

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hey brilliant genius....quit complaining about the $$

the $$ is going directly into US contractors pockets which means JOBS which you bitch about constantly....jobs to PRODUCE things instead of giving $$ away like you propose for people who sit on their asses just like you and do absolutely nothing for society

get off your bitter ass and work to make the world a little better for someone else....maybe that will lighten your heart a little and you will sleep better at night

nothing worse than wasting away in retirement complaining all the time
 

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isn`t it interesting

isn`t it interesting

that after several decades of saddam,the iraqi`s can now complain about situations in their country without fear of being tortured or killed......and will shortly be able to vote on who they want to change conditions....

i call that progress...
 

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Freeze that is the funniest remark I ever heard. The money is going for US jobs? What are you on? Maybe Cheney and a few cronies pocketed a few bucks but the rest of us didn't
 

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FUK that is a cool spell out here, so don't need to hear some rag head bitch when they blow up their own shit, and last few days are picking off their own leaders like fish in a pool.:shrug:

Live out here when it is always 104-105 past midnight and 110-118 in the day depending on what part of the valley you live in, shit you run your air at 90 and it is still 20 + degrees outside so the shit never shuts off, so I have no feelings for their so called heat :thefinger
 

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I see CTGuy remains a type A. Answers are full of name calling but have no substance. I dont know why he has not moved to Iraq since he thinks it's the garden spot of the world.
Fletch I agree with you 100%. They should stop bitchen and get off ther asses and do something.
 

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Letter from Navy Chaplain, Steven P. Unger, who has been in Iraq for over four months

Letter from Navy Chaplain, Steven P. Unger, who has been in Iraq for over four months

Dear Friends,
This is my third letter from Iraq. I have been working myself into the right mood to do this. Today is the day. In my last two letters I have leaned toward being as upbeat as possible. This time will be different; today I want to talk about Memorial Day, but I will start off by giving my perspective on the Abu Ghraib prison problem.

First off, the investigation into the abuses at Abu Ghraib began back in January. That is why the first court martial was ready for trial in May. The senior people here knew about the investigation; the rest of us didn't. By the time the media "broke" the story, the investigation was almost done and the soldiers who had committed the abuses had already been rotated home.

Second, I (we) don't see all the news coverage that you in the states see. I do see some Fox News and cNN. Fox editorializes toward the right wing; CNN is the voice of the anti-war movement. I wonder that if CNN had been around in 1942 we might all be speaking German and Japanese. I can tell you this, everything I have heard on CNN is so biased, negative, and out-of-touch that I will never watch CNN for the rest of my life. That being said, when the rest of us found out about the abuses we were shocked and sickened. I think maybe more so than people back home because we are here; these are the people I see every day. The people I see every day who are going out to fix: schools, hospitals, reservoirs, power plants, and sewer systems. They do these things risking sniper fire and hidden explosives. These soldiers are not a handful of bad apples like those at Abu Ghraib, these soldiers number into the thousands. Now think for a second, how much have you seen about that on the news? I believe Abu Ghraib should have been reported, but when I see the fixation of the media on the actions of a few, when the courage shown in reconstruction and the restraint shown in combat by thousands of our people is never shown, I believe this is inexcusable. For the real story of what our people are doing here, go to www.cjtf7.com/index.htm.

Third, what happened on that cellblock of Abu Ghraib is what happens when leadership is not out walking around. That is true in the military or in college dorms. I haven't seen it reported in the news, but other soldiers turned in the soldiers who did this. If the dirt bags that committed those abuses had been turned loose among the troops here it would've been ugly. I haven't heard any comments about them coming from soldiers that didn't express a hope that they would get the maximum punishment. A few leaders need to get demoted too.

As per the "outrage", if you were "outraged" by this, good. I was. However, I would like to ask Arab governments and our own media elites, "Were you just as outraged by what happened under Saddam? If so, you didn't show it."

Here is what people need to understand: the interrogation of prisoners of war is a little tougher than what the typical thug gets by the local police. I went to Survival, Evasion, Rescue, and Escape (SERE) School back in 1995. I am more proud of completing that course than anything I have ever done. Also, I would never do it again. After playing hide and seek with "bad guys" in California in March, we all got caught, knocked around, froze, went hungry, sleep deprived, threatened with worse, and then interrogated. Here's the deal: when interrogation is done correctly, people don't break so much as they leak. (The purpose of SERE is to teach you how not to leak. That is the classified part of the school.) The interrogator wants them to leak in a way so that the prisoner doesn't even know he is leaking. When someone breaks, as opposed to leaking, they usually give out a data dump of gibberish and then physiologically shuts down. A good interrogator avoids that. If you hurt them or scare them too badly, they quit leaking.

Interrogators ask the same question about ten times, ten different ways. Disoriented people leak and they don't even know it. What most Americans think of when they think of POWs being interrogated is what they remember of our pilots in North Vietnam. The abuse our people went through in Vietnam wasn't to get intelligence; it was to exploit them for propaganda purposes. I mention this to put the term "abuse" in context. When a terrorist here in Iraq or jaywalkers back in the states report jailhouse "abuse," what does it mean? When we catch a guy red-handed restocking his weapons stock and question him, withholding his TV privileges isn't enough. He won't be happy, but neither will he be destroyed or scared for life. He will tell his buddies, "I didn't tell them anything." In fact he will have told us a lot.

As I said, I had to work myself into a mindset to talk about this. To work around horror without out letting the horror seep into your soul is a spiritual battle. This week I worked with a National Guard soldier who had to clean up after a convoy of civilian aid workers were killed when an Improvised Explosive Device (IED) went off on the road into Baghdad. He is a carpenter in civilian life, but this week he was out on a highway picking up arms and legs while watching out for snipers. He was cleaning up after monsters. Some other young Americans were put in charge of guarding monsters and then became monsters. Care of the soul is serious business. That is part of the reason why I became a Navy Chaplain. The other reason is the people. The folks I have known in the military are more interesting to be around than anybody else I know. This leads me to Memorial Day.

Earlier this month I went to Camp Cooke at Taji. (To lend perspective, Taji is really north Baghdad; I am in west Baghdad.) The 39th Brigade (Arkansas National Guard) is stationed there. I didn't know any of them, but I wanted to see my home-state Guard here in Iraq. So I badgered my way into flying up there for two days. They are stationed in the old Iraqi army air defense school. Unlike downtown Baghdad, the old air defense school was turned into rubble. It is getting better, but it was like living in a junkyard. Their first month in Iraq was tough. These soldiers patrol the roughest part of Baghdad.

While I was there, the Chaplain of the 39th told me this story: One of the old troopers who came was a 52 year-old Sgt. who had already done his 20+ years and had retired. But his son was in the 39th, and when the father found out they were coming over here, he reenlisted. On their first week in country, Camp Cooke was attacked by rockets and the first rocket that landed killed the father.

I was born in 1958 and came of age when the Vietnam War and the anti-war movement were both in full swing. It has taken me years to put this into words, but I believe that as bad as that war was, the legacy of the anti-war movement was worse. The anti-war movement gave rise to the moral superiority of non-involvement and non-commitment. While that may have worked to help draft-dodgers sleep at night, it's not much of a strategy of how to go through life. Taken to its logical conclusion the message is: don't commit to your county, don't commit to your spouse, and don't commit to your kids, church, or community. Don't commit to cleaning up your own mess or any cause that demands any more from you than rhetoric. This was the mindset in which our country was firmly stuck. Until 9/11, some woke up. Kids came down and
joined the service. To the dismay of some of their teachers, parents, and the media elites, they came down here and raised their hand in front of the flag. And they are still coming to the shock of the non-committers. The Marines have more enlisting than their two boot camps can handle.

And we are all here together for Memorial Day 2004. Old National Guardsmen, grandfathers, and single moms, Texans and Mexicans, Surfers and Rednecks. A few weeks ago an Illinois National Guardsman, mother of three, was hit six times, saved by her body armor, but lost part of her nose. She stayed on her 50 caliber, firing on the bad guys, protecting the convoy. She said she was thinking of her kids and the guys she was with.

Commitment is love acted out. It is sad that the non-committers missed that. They and their moral high-ground haven't been near a mass grave. The kids I see and eat with every day still want to help this country, in spite of getting shot at while doing it. That is love acted out. You either get it, or you don't.

During my time in Iraq I won't be able to see any of the Biblical sites that are here. But a few weeks ago in Taji I got to stand on some holy ground, where a father died when he went to war just to be with his son.

Sincerely yours,
Steven P. Unger
LCDR, CHC, USN
Multi National Corps-Iraq
 

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Chaman this sounds close to what Fletch said. And I agree. The Iraqis are so lucky we came. Now they should get off there asses and do something. There government should just order us out. It's there country again June 30th. They know so much they dont need our help.
 

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Once again djv, you miss the whole point of the letter just so you can spew your sensless dribble.

it's all about the anti war movement and how we here at home are getting the wrong message from biased reporting from the left. It's about all the brave people over there being tarnished by a few bad apples and that the left biased media will not let go of it so as to promote their anti war agenda.

It's about the brave men and women fighting over there for what they believe and committing to something bigger than themselves and all this type of dedication some how gets lost in the biased news reporting back here.

Once again djv you have your head up your :moon:
 

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Wrong CTG my heads where it belongs. Above the BS we are led to believe by both sides of the media. The places is a mess. The Iraqis are complaning more and more. And half dont give a chit about our men and woman. Unless I missed it I saw none of them throw rose at our soldiers. True we built some schools. Now we need power to run them. Maybe we should have got the power up and running first. True the oil is flowing. But it is shut down once a week to do pipes blowen. Maybe we should protect those pipes alittle better. Better yet since we dont get any of the oil. Maybe someone else like the Iraqis should be hired to protect the pipes. Since the new government thinks we should leave in 6 months. Why wait bring them home now. Let them have there civil war with the kurds once were out of there.
 
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