Iraq fires 1,300 police and soldiers

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I wonder who these guys will work for now? Maybe Al sader? Al sader is popular because he provides services, food and money that the Iraqi government does not. These same fired persons maybe next fighting against Americans.


http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=126224
 

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Stay the course. Don't lose. Support a military and police force that just fired 1,300 of it's well-trained people, because they didn't want to fight against "the enemy."

That's true progress, my friend.
 

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Stay the course. Don't lose. Support a military and police force that just fired 1,300 of it's well-trained people, because they didn't want to fight against "the enemy."

That's true progress, ""my friend"".


aid and comfort to the enemy...it is what it is...

can i mail you some pom poms?

/i'm busy picking up the shards of my jaw....it shattered when it hit the floor....
 

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aid and comfort to the enemy...it is what it is...

can i mail you some pom poms?

/i'm busy picking up the shards of my jaw....it shattered when it hit the floor....

What the hell are you babbling about now? Do you think it's a good thing that after 5 years of helping these people, they can't even tell the players on their own team with a scorecard, until they realize they are not going to, um, do whatever job it is they are still not qualified to perform? And I'm aiding the enemy? By expecting these people to take control of their own situation after 5 years of "training?!?"

Whatever, man. That's the weakest analogy you've ever made (and that says a lot) - not that it even qualifies as anything except more nonsensical ripping garbage.

Here's a question for you. When do YOU think these people should start being able to take care of themselves? Do you even care? What do you think the soldiers you are always SO surfacely supportive of think about something like this? Sorry, John, you'll have to stay for another tour or two of duty, since these guys won't fight. Maybe next year...

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Weasel doesn't give a shit about the actual problem here, he's just taking more personal shots at Spytheweb. It's pathetic.
 

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I wonder who these guys will work for now? Maybe Al sader? Al sader is popular because he provides services, food and money that the Iraqi government does not. These same fired persons maybe next fighting against Americans.

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They already are fighting Americans, thats why they fired them .

Doogy duh
 

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They already are fighting Americans, thats why they fired them .

Doogy duh

From what i have read the Iraqi government has alot more firing to do before it's all over. As in Vietnam, during the day the people are your friends and at night they're shooting at you. They don't want to kill their countryman on orders from a puppet backed US government.
 

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They don't want to kill their countryman on orders from a puppet backed US government.
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The countrymen they are killing are Al Sadr and Al Queda . You remember them , the terrorists.

They dont want to kill them because they want to join them. And they are causing shit in the ranks of police and army Iraq.

This isnt rocket science Spyguy
 
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I wonder who these guys will work for now? Maybe Al sader? Al sader is popular because he provides services, food and money that the Iraqi government does not. These same fired persons maybe next fighting against Americans.


http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=126224

where do you think al sadr gets his money ,brainiac?...(i know that you know)....

some hints for the neuron challenged.....

1)it`s from the same place in which he`s currently vacationing....

2)it ain`t niagara falls....

it`s the same country that now funds hamas....the same hamas who wants israel wiped off the face of the earth..won`t budge off that point...it`s in their charter....

and guess who`s visiting hamas right now?....jimmy carter.....over there kissing hamas` ass despite requests from the state dept to not go....

yep...even nelson mandela and kofi anan turned down jimmy...refused to accompany him into the monster`s den.....

an interesting analogy here...jimmy kissing hamas` ass while the lemmings in the forum are doing their part licking spythewebs boots as he posts one anti-american thread after another....

let me ask you,spy....you think it was a good idea for jimmy carter to undercut the shah of iran in favor of the ayatollah khomeini?....

and what`s your opinion of hamas refusing to back off the vow in their charter to destroy israel?....

i`d like your opinion on these 2 issues...not cut and paste....

take your time...
 
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The countrymen they are killing are Al Sadr and Al Queda . You remember them , the terrorists.

They dont want to kill them because they want to join them. And they are causing shit in the ranks of police and army Iraq.

This isnt rocket science Spyguy

The countryman they are killing are Al-sadr and Al-Qaeda, because the US is pressing them to so. Some of these people are blood or belong to the same tribe.

Let's see, they are terrorists because we invaded them? Someone breaks into your home, starts to shoot at you, you shoot back and you're the terrorist? So we were the terrorists when the British were here killing the Americans. George Washington was the #1 terrorist of them all.

As far as Al-Qaeda goes, this is not the 9-11 Al-Qaeda, they at still in the mountains back in Afghanistan.

Picture this, some country invades the US, sets up a puppet government, would you say that anyone who helps that government is a traitor?

Were the people of Poland or France terrorists because they attacked the Nazis?

Right is right and wrong is wrong. You can't be against murder one day and for it the next, when you do it.

I'am all for pulling out the soldiers in Iraq and puting say 60,000 in Afghanistan, for a time.

I think Al-sadr would be the top dog in Iraq if elections were fair, without what the US government wants. People like Saddam kept the country going, now it's the wild, wild west. The Philippines was the same way. When i was there at Clark AB, i didn't like Marcos that much, but after he left things got out of hand. I must say he kept order.

I bet the Repubs will start saying the Iranians are Al-Qaeda, that they are the ones that attacked the US on 9-11. They are already linking their names together. No word on the Saudis funding the fight against the Americans in Iraq and that most of the suicide bombers in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia.

Come on think people, why does the US have a hard on for Iran and Cuba? Iran didn't let the big oil companies come in and take over. America was willing to put up with a bad guy like Saddam to do it's bidding against Iran. In 1953 when Iran was democratic and voted for their President. The Iranian President didn't want to hand over their oil rights to BP oil so the CIA was employed to overthrow him and put the shah in power.

Cuba was somewhat the same way Castro kicked out the big companies and America has a sore spot ever since. People can travel to Vietnam where 58,000 soldiers were killed in a war, but can't travel to Cuba, WTF. You can even go to China or Russia, the big commie countries.
 

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where do you think al sadr gets his money ,brainiac?...(i know that you know)....

some hints for the neuron challenged.....

1)it`s from the same place in which he`s currently vacationing....

2)it ain`t niagara falls....

it`s the same country that now funds hamas....the same hamas who wants israel wiped off the face of the earth..won`t budge off that point...it`s in their charter....

and guess who`s visiting hamas right now?....jimmy carter.....over there kissing hamas` ass despite requests from the state dept to not go....

yep...even nelson mandela and kofi anan turned down jimmy...refused to accompany him into the monster`s den.....

an interesting analogy here...jimmy kissing hamas` ass while the lemmings in the forum are doing their part licking spythewebs boots as he posts one anti-american thread after another....

let me ask you,spy....you think it was a good idea for jimmy carter to undercut the shah of iran in favor of the ayatollah khomeini?....

and what`s your opinion of hamas refusing to back off the vow in their charter to destroy israel?....

i`d like your opinion on these 2 issues...not cut and paste....

take your time...

Hey it looks like both sides are getting money from the outside. The sunnis, from Saudi Arabia, but no one is talking about that because Iran is the one who the American government wants to attack next.


(AP) Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in Iraq and much of the money is used to buy weapons, including shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash.

Saudi government officials deny that any money from their country is being sent to Iraqis fighting the government and the U.S.-led coalition.

But the U.S. Iraq Study Group report released Wednesday said Saudis are a source of funding for Sunni Arab insurgents. Several truck drivers interviewed by The Associated Press described carrying boxes of cash from Saudi Arabia into Iraq, money they said was headed for insurgents.

Two high-ranking Iraqi officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity, told the AP most of the Saudi money comes from private donations, called zaqat, collected for Islamic causes and charities.

Some Saudis appear to know the money is headed to Iraq's insurgents, but others merely give it to clerics who channel it to anti-coalition forces, the officials said.

In one recent case, an Iraqi official said $25 million (euro18.8 million) in Saudi money went to a top Iraqi Sunni cleric and was used to buy weapons, including Strela, a Russian shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile. The missiles were purchased from someone in Romania, apparently through the black market, he said.

Overall, the Iraqi officials said, money has been pouring into Iraq from oil-rich Saudi Arabia, a Sunni bastion, since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq toppled the Sunni-controlled regime of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

Saudi officials vehemently deny their country is a major source of financial support for the insurgents.

"There isn't any organized terror finance, and we will not permit any such unorganized acts," said Brig. Gen. Mansour al-Turki, a spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry. About a year ago the Saudi government set up a unit to track any "suspicious financial operations," he said.

But the Iraq Study Group said "funding for the Sunni insurgency comes from private individuals within Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states."

Saudi officials say they cracked down on zakat abuses, under pressure from the United States, after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.

The Iraqi officials, however, said some funding goes to Iraq's Sunni Arab political leadership, who then disburse it. Other money, they said, is funneled directly to insurgents. The distribution network includes Iraqi truck and bus drivers.

Several drivers interviewed by the AP in Middle East capitals said Saudis have been using religious events, like the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca and a smaller pilgrimage, as cover for illicit money transfers. Some money, they said, is carried into Iraq on buses with returning pilgrims.

"They sent boxes full of dollars and asked me to deliver them to certain addresses in Iraq," said one driver, who gave his name only as Hussein, out of fear of reprisal. "I know it is being sent to the resistance, and if I don't take it with me, they will kill me."

He was told what was in the boxes, he said, to ensure he hid the money from authorities at the border.

The two Iraqi officials would not name specific Iraqi Sunnis who have received money from Saudi Arabia. But Iraq issued an arrest warrant for Harith al-Dhari, a Sunni opponent of the Iraqi government, shortly after he visited Saudi Arabia in October. He was accused of sectarian incitement.

The price of a barrel of oil reached $113.99 today, what this means is that the American public is funding the attacks against their own soldiers everytime they fillup their tank with gas.

Bush has done well, was oil about $21.00 an barrel when he took office? It will be $121.00+ when he leaves office.


THE ACTUAL QUOTE:

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".


You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts.

BTW, the shah was not a good idea, him and the savak, the secret police who tortured Iranians. people.
 
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Let me add one thing

Let me add one thing

I don't care for Israel, Israel is not a part of the United States. It's a bastard child. When the jews were looking for a homeland, America didn't wan't them here.

I don't like the fact that Israel lobbyists are paying off our government for favors, pushing for wars in the middle east where our citizens are dying and pushing for the US to attack Iran.

Israel has a min wage of $19.00+ and has universal healthcare. Why do they need our help? What does Israel make anyway? What's their export?


Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)

When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.
 

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i`ll try one more time.....no need for cut and paste...express your views...unless you`re afraid...

1)do you think it was a good idea for jimmy carter to undercut the shah of iran in favor of the ayatollah khomeini?....

2) what`s your opinion of hamas refusing to back off the vow in their charter to destroy israel?....


be specific....please don`t pussyfoot around the periphery of the questions and go off on a tangent......

no cut and paste....you`re an adult,and ex-serviceman(groan),and you obviously have an opinion...

straight answers....please...

was it a good idea for carter to undercut the shah and make way for khomeini?...do you agree with hamas` charter that israel should be destroyed?....


i`m waiting...

btw...which country do you think sends the most aid(above board) to the palestinians?

hint:it`s not a middle eastern country..
 
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Come on think people, why does the US have a hard on for Iran and Cuba? Iran didn't let the big oil companies come in and take over. America was willing to put up with a bad guy like Saddam to do it's bidding against Iran. In 1953 when Iran was democratic and voted for their President. The Iranian President didn't want to hand over their oil rights to BP oil so the CIA was employed to overthrow him and put the shah in power.

Cuba was somewhat the same way Castro kicked out the big companies and America has a sore spot ever since. People can travel to Vietnam where 58,000 soldiers were killed in a war, but can't travel to Cuba, WTF. You can even go to China or Russia, the big commie countries.

are you kidding....do you think it`s preferrable for iran to be a caliphate that`s seeking nuclear weapons and has a goal to exterminate israel,the only democracy in the region?...

if you knew your history you`d know that the battle in the the 50`s 60`s and 70`s was a battle between the ussr and the u.s. to try and influence iran toward democracy...or communism...to blunt soviet penetration into the region...

the shah was leading iran toward a more secular,democratiic direction...iran was a forward thinking prospering nation...until jimmy carter conspired with khomeinin to undercut the shah and bring khomeini back into power....the same thing`s happening in turkey as we speak...

and the laughable thing is ,carter complained about the shah`s human rights record....lol..he failed to continue to assist the regime and actually assisted khomeini...he believed what khomeini assured him (a "moderate" islamic state)...

the rest is history...after taking power,khomeini executed staggering numbers for religious or political reasons...

he spit in carter`s eye by taking the embassy and holding americans for 444 days...when khomeini saw that reagan was going to become presient,he gave up those hostages p.d.q.....the weakling/fool was gone..

many attribute the current rise in religious extremism to khomeini....


not only did khomeini fool the fool(i..e carter...he was also fooled by n. korea when he undercut bill clinton in the negotiations with the koreans...he was fooled then,too ).....

and the wonderful cuba?....the same cuba that people flee from in rafts?...the same cuba that until fidel fell ill,didn`t even allow it`s citizens to have cell phones?....

you`re amazing.....

this is what happens when you cut and paste excessively...think a little bit...

again,please answer my 2 questions...and be specific...

thank you..
 
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