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45 more bodies found in different sections of Iraq.
No big deal except they all were shot in the head like the 56 last week. Some were still in hand cuffs. Estimate for April was over 700. At least it was not our soldiers. But what a Screwed up place. Not much different then when Saddam walked the streets. It's a shame we spent so much money for this. And with real threat all this time next door in Iran.
 

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And all for a lie! And now some want the same liars who planned this plan the next one? As a great liar once said Fool me once....I want get fooled again!
 

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DJV Sometimes things may not be what they appear.

There is no proof nor will there be any--but I know if I was in charge-- with the crowed jails and imprisoned terrorist coddled via watch groups and "others" pre occupation with prisoners rights when the terrorist comply with no rights--I think I might be inclined to do without the trials/confinement on individuals who terrorist status were pretty concrete. Believe shot to the head would be much more effective deterent than than 3 squares a day and support by attorneys and civil rights groups. :)

---and why is it no civil war has erupted if in fact it is innocent civilians be targeted?--just food for thought.
 

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That's right Weasel when you can't argue with the facts attack the person. Freeze you are beyond hope anyway. Let's give the oil companies more tax breaks.
 

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stevie..please tell me where i attacked you personally..

i pointed out the symptoms of bush derangement syndrome...pointed out that you`re a bit myopic regarding the administration..

i never attacked you...called you names....

i gave you the last word...and forgot about it...

jeez....chill out...it`s just a discussion.. :mj06:
 

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Weasel you are such an hypocrite. You brush aside all criticism of your boy Bush as being from someone who is criticizing him because he hates him. Then you go on your merry little way disregarding all facts. To your way of thinking you just love bush and that's why you think the War in Iraq is a good idea.
Yes, I do hate the prick for what him and his cheerleaders have done to this country.
 

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stevie...you brought up the facts issue...i`ve been extremely critical of bush on immigration,stem cell,the ports,the administration`s horrible public relations acumen...

i`ve said i`d never vote for jeb.....

but yes..i`m a hard ass on our enemies...the war on terror...and those that state they`d do us harm...directly or indirectly......be they saddam or iran.....jimmy carter or the msm...

your idea of "the "facts" is"bush lied"...period....neglecting to mention that clinton(bill and hillary) and most of congress...not to mention the majority of the free world...must have been a part of that cabal...

any thanks from you for keeping the homeland safe for the last 4 years?....no,just bitching about the patriot act,abu gharaib,surveillance of terrorists and on and on....

you represent the 5th column in america...

everyone should read my thread on the courageous female iraqi journalist that was tortured and hacked to death...

and remember it the next time a bunch of hollywood personalities or sassy american journlists sit around a cnn table slapping each other's backs for their "courageous" sniping at our administration....

in some places, there are consequences for "speaking truth to power(f-cking smarmy liberal slogan)."....and that says something really important about the nature of power that hollywood and the msm seem incapable of grasping....

ANYONE who makes excuses for the scum who perpetrate these acts is a feeble worm.....

and with regards to news coverage, "if it bleeds it leads" only applies if it's politically convenient to the 90% of the news corps who self-identify as "left-wing."....

it's really pretty fricking revolting when our own press corps blames our entire government for the acts at abu ghirab (for which the perpetrators have been prosecuted), and yet when things like this are done by the enemy, they cover their ears and scream at the top of their lungs about gas prices......

you guys are the sheep railing against the excesses of the sheepdog as the wolves pick us off one by one.....


i know you don`t like that......and i`m sorry...it needs to be said...
 
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StevieD said:
Weasel you are such an hypocrite. You brush aside all criticism of your boy Bush as being from someone who is criticizing him because he hates him. Then you go on your merry little way disregarding all facts. To your way of thinking you just love bush and that's why you think the War in Iraq is a good idea.
Yes, I do hate the prick for what him and his cheerleaders have done to this country.
I defend Weasel on this. He's been bashing bush for quite a while (although praising Cheney for some mysterious reason). He's been as tough on "chimpy" as he has on anyone other than the "msm".

I have some empathy for Weasel. Seems we both get labeled as a certain "ilk" because of one or two issues. When we make statements contrary to our label, those statements seem to get ignored. Weasel doesn't like Bush and I wanted to turn Afghanistan into a Target Greatland (not even the Taliban deserve a Wal-Mart ruining their neighborhood).

Weasel - as far as your take comparing the enemy who chops up female reporters to our problems with Abu Gharib etc. I think you miss a point - we have no control of our enemy. We can't make them all of a sudden decent. But we are responsible for our own actions. Because the enemy slaughters a journalist doesn't excuse relatively slight abuses on our part. The point of Iraq was never supposed to be a comparison of bad acts, was it? Frankly - who cares what the enmey does - fukc em - I mean they're the enemy. If we defeat them, they are gone and that's that. But the second we started driving through the desert towards Baghdad, we automatically assumed a certain responsibility. Everyone who complains about the press being tough on our military leadership and illegal acts are very very naive. When we pre-emptively start going after an enemy, the spotlight is on us. That's just the way it is. It's a an element that needs to be considered before we start wars like this.
 
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StevieD said:
And all for a lie! And now some want the same liars who planned this plan the next one? As a great liar once said Fool me once....I want get fooled again!


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
 

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3800 civilians real people so far this year was in AP article. And then we lost 65 soldiers last month to. I don't understand how folks can keep standing on the side of this great screw up. Including congress. Where are some strong voice for real change. Ok we had 9/11. So Iraq had zero to do with it. Mean while at home our borders are still open. We need some real leadership to protect the home base. We could use some new ideas. The course is not working. And back in Afgan it's turning back to a law less place. And Bin keeps sending his messages. The guy we went after is still free. This is just as big a screw up as Carter and Iran hostages.
 

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Weasel, I have never made excuses for any atrocities our enemies have made. This is a major problem with you and your ilk. Just because the planning of this stupid War in Iraq was all wrong does not mean that those of us against it celebrate the enemy. If you still think this war is being fought correctly good luck to you. Go on your happy little way cheering the war listing to Toby Keith.

Freeze, how many of those you quoted said they knew where the WMD was as your good friend Rumsfeld did? Maybe they said what they did in support of sanctions. Sanctions, that obviously were working.
 

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StevieD said:
Freeze, how many of those you quoted said they knew where the WMD was as your good friend Rumsfeld did? Maybe they said what they did in support of sanctions. Sanctions, that obviously were working.

I'm just pointing out the "liars" and the "lies" which you claim this war is based on and who said them

Then you hope to vote these guys out of office because of that

Lets not be hypocritical StevieDean
 

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StevieD said:
Freeze you are beyond hope anyway. Let's give the oil companies more tax breaks.

StevieDean, please don't exhibit your sense of entitlement towards other people's money. That is greed and demonstrates envy. You are a better man than that.
 

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Freeze, once again you exhibit youyr desire to crush the middle class by giving their hard earnerd money to the oil companies in the form of corporate welfare.
 

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StevieD said:
Freeze, once again you exhibit youyr desire to crush the middle class by giving their hard earnerd money to the oil companies in the form of corporate welfare.

No, we pay the oil companies to deliver us oil

They do work

They are productive

If I so choose, I can invest in them and get money back as part of the PROFIT that people make in this country for WORKING HARD and being PRODUCTIVE

You, for some reason, think things should come to you for free, and that someone else's hard earned money, should be taxed and given to you

What a pathetic outlook
 

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Freeze,

Do you agree with special tax breaks for the oil companies?

i agree with almost any and all tax breaks for anyone or any company that is productive -- i personally think that a company or individual can better spend that money than the government

hope that answers your question
 
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