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Is it not someone's job to tell Allen that it is third down and if ANYTHING goes wrong he can simply spike the ball and retry the kick????....maybe they did and he screwed up but growing up in a Jints household it makes me sick...i might throw up
 
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HH,

You said it my friend. Sounds to me the kind of error that should cost someone their job. I hate to be so harsh but these coaches and players are making some big big $$$.

How about responsibility = accountability!:sleep:
 

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I totally agree

I totally agree

I agree that is totally on the special teams coach to tell the player that before he walks out to hold the ball. He has two jobs, hold it if snap good spike if snap bad.

That one is on coach and totally agree with the accountibility thing, but honestly, to not shit all over the guy, it is not something I was thinking after the bad snap, cant fault the holder.
 

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i only fault the player if the Special Teams coach told him exactly what you said...I wasn't thinking about it either but I was sitting on the couch with a beer and it wasn't MY responsibility to think about it
 

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one more thought heavy

one more thought heavy

The niners also called time out to ice bryant with 6 seconds left, the special teams coach had enough time to read his special teams coaching for dummies book.

I say fire em!
 

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good point

good point

oh well, although the loss hurts coming from a giants family...my interest lies with 4:30 next saturday...GO TITANS!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Again...coaches can put in 80-90 hours a week and get on that field for 3 hours on Sat/Sun and have NO CLUE WHAT TO DO.

If I can sit here and think of all these scenarios, shouldn't these 6-7 figure income coaches? Why not prepare and be ready for the worst case scenario and then expect the best case scenario?
 

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special teams coach for the jints should start packing now.

terrible execution. didnt drill it into allen's head that he could spike. didnt practice "fire drill" play with linemen maintaining discipline (as jimmy johnson said on postgame). missed field goals all season. brings in a 42 year old snapper. who didnt play all this season and results in two bad snaps. WTF? yer telling me no 20-something with long snapping experience was available from the practice squads or CFL?

what a joke. feel bad for all the giants fans around
 

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HeavyHitter,

I have been a Giants fan since 1960, & this loss today was without a doubt the most sickening Giants defeat that I can recall. Even worse than the famous fumble blunder against the Eagles.
I agree with you in wondering what the special teams were practicing during the year. You would have thought that they would have been prepared for this situation. You would have also thought that after two years of having shitty place kickers, that the Giants would have that position settled. As a true Giant fan you know that Parcells always had a reliable kicker. All the successful coaches for that matter made sure that they had a reliable place kicker they could count on. You would have also thought that these professional athletes were trained to have discipline & not lose their cool during a crucial part of the game, as Williams did in the 4th quarter.
The blame for this disgusting meltdown falls on one person & that is the head coach. This team simply lacks discipline, a key ingrediant to be a successful team. Add this to the mismanaged time outs in the first 49er game & the blunder in the Arizona game at the end of the first half in which Fassell called for a pass play deep in Cardinal territory, with about 25 seconds left, that was intercepted & returned for a TD.
Fassell must be fired, he simply is in over his head. On the way out he should take fatso Dayne with him.What a blunder that was to take him with a #1 pick.
This game will annoy me for a long time.
 

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i feel your pain...although my father and brother remain loyal fans, i dropped out long ago, the giants have always been too painful to watch and this season was no different. they always play to the level of competition and lose games they should win, but then end up winning games they had no business winning only to break hearts in the end...I still watch them and root for them but a die hard i am not for reasons like yesterday...
 

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As casual observers, I am sure most of us didn't even think about the fact that it was third down, and he could spike the ball.

As a pro player and coach............I would agree. Someone needed to say on that side line, "If there is a bad snap........."


Look how many fkups happen on those side lines though.


Tossing the beanbag on non-reviewable plays. Tossing it inside of two minutes. 12 men in the huddle. Delay of game penalty after a time out. etc, etc......

All unforgivable in my book.
 

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it's a moot point

it's a moot point

Intentional spike wasn't a legal option for Giants holder

Jan. 6, 2003
SportsLine.com wire reports


NEW YORK -- Giants holder Matt Allen could not have spiked the botched snap on the final play of New York's loss to the San Francisco 49ers.

It's against the rules.

Mike Pereira, the NFL supervisor of officials, confirmed Monday that Allen would not have been allowed to immediately spike the ball because it was a long snap. The only time a player can spike the ball is when he takes the snap from under the center.

Pereira said the only other option would have been to throw to an eligible receiver.


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NOT A MOOT POINT:

Get outside the tackles and throw the ball out of bounds.
Throw an INC pass towrd the feet of a receiver.
Fall on the ball and call TO.

All 3 give you another chance on 4th down.
 

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Does that also mean that a QB in a shot-gun formation cannot spike the ball either?
It seems strange that he cannot.
 

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Spike=Penalty

Spike=Penalty

Being form a shotgun position, a spike into the ground would of resulted in Intentional Grounding. IG- would of backed them up and loss of the 3rd down. A longer field-goal chance could then be attempted with 2 sec. on the clock.<P> The only moot-point is the scoreboard, how would you like to be M. Strahan and see those highlights of yourself showing T.Owens the score?

:nono:
 

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on the other hand......

on the other hand......

NFL: Officials missed pass interference call in Giants-49ers

Jan. 6, 2003
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NEW YORK -- The San Francisco 49ers' 24-point comeback victory over the New York Giants ended with an officiating error.

The NFL said Monday that pass interference should have been called against the 49ers on the final play of the 39-38 thriller.

After a videotape review of the 41-yard attempt with six seconds left, NFL Director of Officiating Mike Pereira determined:

The Giants' Tam Hopkins, No. 65, lined up as the left guard and was illegally downfield on the pass. All three flags thrown by the officials were for that penalty.

Rich Seubert, No. 69 and normally a guard, lined up as an eligible receiver on the play. He reported to the officiating crew before the game that he would man that position on field goals.

49ers defensive end Chike Okeafor interfered with Seubert when he was attempting to catch Allen's pass. No defensive pass interference penalty was called.

"If defensive pass interference had been called," an NFL statement explained, "there would have been offsetting penalties (ineligible receiver against the Giants and pass interference against the 49ers), with the down replayed at the original line of scrimmage, the San Francisco 23-yard line. Although time had expired, a game cannot end with offsetting penalties. Thus, the game would have been extended by one untimed down."

:rolleyes:
 

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well there's a shocker, another nfl game being screwed up by the refs....who could of seen that coming? how could they have not called pass interference on that play? the guy was basically tackled with the ball in the air. so what do the giants do now? just sit back and say oh well we should of had a chance to advance but got screwed, la de da. :shrug:
 

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The only moot-point is the scoreboard, how would you like to be M. Strahan and see those highlights of yourself showing T.Owens the score?

When I saw Strahan do that after owens scored to make them just 16 down, I knew it would come back to bite him in his ass. I got closer to garcia than strahan did Sunday, and I'm in Georgia. The pass rush for NYG was horrid. Rush 4 all day, that's crap.
 
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