I've heard enough BS about the final play......i'll chime in with my thoughts

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and these are the same thought I had as it was happening real time.

starting to get sick of some of the bs I'm starting to read....

first narrative

now I'm hearing that belichick is a the smartest guy in the history for NOT calling a timeout causing chaos for seattle......

BS

the outcome does not justify the decision/process and he fucked up! if sea had scored on 2nd down he'f provide his qb about 3 plays (18-20 seconds) to tie/win the game after a kickoff....but hey, you've got 2 timeouts big boy!

second narrative

spouted by carroll and never called out or questions by the media......"seattle was going to have to throw on one down anyway"

TOTAL BS!

1st down ended with 62 seconds left on the clock.....you mean to tell me sea couldn't have run on 2nd down and 3rd down and THEN call timeout prior to 4th down with at least 1 second left in the game???

running the clock was the right thing to do, esp since belichick fucks up with no timeout...sea snapped the ball with 26 seconds left.....a run from the 1 yard line takes about 4 seconds....if they're stopped that leaves them with 22 seconds to get off the pile, line up and run again....PLENTY OF TIME.....and if stopped, call timeout.

third narrative......"we wanted to throw the ball to run more time off the clock""

BS....WHAT??? it's either caught for a td, incomplete, intercepted or caught short of the goal line and now the field is a bit more spread out making un-piling and running a 3rd down play before the clock expiring a bit tighter (still doable with 22 seconds or so to spare)

fourth narrative....."it's less risky to throw the ball than run it"

BS.....a slant from the 1 is less risky than giving it to marshawn or Wilson keeping it on a read option?? watch the replay.....any tipped pass by a lineman, db, wr and there are 7 pats there vs 1 sea wr for the defelction into a condensed middle of the field.......a truly HORRIBLE PLAY CALL.

if you REALLY need to pass the ball, get wilson on the roll out (wastes more time per pete's 4th narrative) or have him throw an out/fade where it's a 1-1 scenario to the outside.

fifth and final narrative AND MOST IMPORTANT (not even mentioned anywhere)

had seattle run on 2nd down with 25-30 seconds left in the game and been stopped.....THERE IS NO DOUBT NEW ENGLAND WOULD HAVE CALLED TIMEOUT!

belichick would not have ended the game with a loss and 2 timeouts in his pocket after wasting away the final 62 seconds.

it was a total coaching blunder on both sidelines and I've been spouting off for decades that these ass clowns promote how MUCH they work (hey we work 100 hours a week and sleep in the offices) but when push comes to shove they have no concept of clock/time management and generally fuck things up (or in this case for belichick, get fking lucky)......spend some time learning end-of-game strategy
 

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agree with everything you wrote especially the fact that bellichek didn't call timeout
and got away with it and now these morons are praising him for it?.like only a genius like him could come up with that strategy. of wasting 40 secs of time for his team to use to comeback and tie the game.
theres not a coach anywhere, grade school, high school or anywhere that wouldn't have called a timeout in that situation??if sea scores and n.e. loses?.the genius bellichek would be put through everything that carroll is going thru now?..fuking comical that it worked out??

great post gjn23

burgh...
 

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gjn23,

your best post ever..


...Hoodie froze...

2 head coach's made horrible decisions..

1 got away w/it..

the other will never..


 

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Personally, I think it was a decision made by Belichick. I'm rather certain that in this scenario before, just not in the super bowl, Belichick let the opposing team score so he could get the ball back. I believe that the ever over confident Carroll thought the same thing as did the rest of the Seahawks. I say that specifically because Belichick didn't call a timeout, thus perpetuating the ruse that he wants to save them for Brady.
Belichick isn't stupid, he knows Pete Carroll is an egotistical guy, he took a chance. I'm not saying Belichick thought that Pete would call that or that the receiver would get lazy and not shield the defender from the ball by turning his shoulders parallel to the goal line, an old coaching trick, but I do think Belichick meant to keep his timeouts
 

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Personally, I think it was a decision made by Belichick. I'm rather certain that in this scenario before, just not in the super bowl, Belichick let the opposing team score so he could get the ball back. I believe that the ever over confident Carroll thought the same thing as did the rest of the Seahawks. I say that specifically because Belichick didn't call a timeout, thus perpetuating the ruse that he wants to save them for Brady.
Belichick isn't stupid, he knows Pete Carroll is an egotistical guy, he took a chance. I'm not saying Belichick thought that Pete would call that or that the receiver would get lazy and not shield the defender from the ball by turning his shoulders parallel to the goal line, an old coaching trick, but I do think Belichick meant to keep his timeouts

If that's the case then he's an idiot.....what good are 2 timeouts when there are 15-20 seconds left in the game... assuming a pass play takes 5-7 seconds that's 3 plays?
Any incomplete pass or completion but out of bounds essentially wipes out a timeout.

The pats won but to make belichick out to be some genious because the outcomes cleared his horrible decision is a flat out lie
 

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You know what dude. I don't care if you like or dislike someone, you don't have to be a dick about it all the time. When did I say anything about Belichick being a genius?
Twenty seconds and three even two timeouts is plenty of time to kick a field goal.
All I did was say I think Belichick meant to keep his timeouts. That's it. The rest was up to chance and Pete Carroll's ego, oh and a lazy receiving play. Not only that, if the seahawks score on that play, there's a hell of a lot more time than 15-20 seconds, and to make it out as anything else is a flat out fucking lie.

Hope that helps,
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You know what dude. I don't care if you like or dislike someone, you don't have to be a dick about it all the time. When did I say anything about Belichick being a genius?
Twenty seconds and three even two timeouts is plenty of time to kick a field goal.
All I did was say I think Belichick meant to keep his timeouts. That's it. The rest was up to chance and Pete Carroll's ego, oh and a lazy receiving play. Not only that, if the seahawks score on that play, there's a hell of a lot more time than 15-20 seconds, and to make it out as anything else is a flat out fucking lie.

Hope that helps,
FDC

NE intercepted and took over with........20 seconds left

How would they have more time had Seattle scored on that play vs the int?

Factor in a possible kickoff return taking off more time a d guess what......

NE would have 15-20 secondo left....sorry to burst your bubble but no lie there.

belichick not using his timeout was a stupid fking decision.....to say he knew what he was doing and could count on some other coaches arrogance is ridiculous....the end result doesn't justify his decision he just got lucky
 

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NE intercepted and took over with........20 seconds left

How would they have more time had Seattle scored on that play vs the int?

Factor in a possible kickoff return taking off more time a d guess what......

NE would have 15-20 secondo left....sorry to burst your bubble but no lie there.

belichick not using his timeout was a stupid fking decision.....to say he knew what he was doing and could count on some other coaches arrogance is ridiculous....the end result doesn't justify his decision he just got lucky
I didn't say any of that. If you don't care to have an adult conversation than just say so, but quit putting words in my mouth. Pete Carroll is arrogant, not just coaches but the entire population of the U.S. can count on him continuing that behavior. I stated that Belichick wanted to keep his timeouts. The pats took over with .29 seconds left on the clock. If they had scored and kicked off, provided nobody touched the ball and took a touchback, guess how much time is left? Go on, guess. Then remind me again how long it took Seattle to score the touchdown against green bay? Hmmmm, so it seems that a 45-50 yard drive would not only be possible but has been done a number of times.
Pretending is a child's game. It's pretty clear what I said and I've said it a number of times. Maybe you can address the poor technique by the receiver I mentioned? Try doing some big boy conversing once in a while.
 

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I didn't say any of that. If you don't care to have an adult conversation than just say so, but quit putting words in my mouth. Pete Carroll is arrogant, not just coaches but the entire population of the U.S. can count on him continuing that behavior. I stated that Belichick wanted to keep his timeouts. The pats took over with .29 seconds left on the clock. If they had scored and kicked off, provided nobody touched the ball and took a touchback, guess how much time is left? Go on, guess. Then remind me again how long it took Seattle to score the touchdown against green bay? Hmmmm, so it seems that a 45-50 yard drive would not only be possible but has been done a number of times.
Pretending is a child's game. It's pretty clear what I said and I've said it a number of times. Maybe you can address the poor technique by the receiver I mentioned? Try doing some big boy conversing once in a while.

I love how you always like to argue using facts that are totally wrong

The pats took over with 20 seconds left

Hence a touchdown on 2nd down by sea would have left ....20 seconds max for ne

Had sea kicked off and forced a return the pats would have had.....about 15 seconds

Just like I originally said.

The arrogant one was belichick for assuming (hoping) for a stop turnover while he sat on timeouts while the clock bled away.....

Back to kaeperniks noodle arm and Terrell pryor being a great nfl qb!
 

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Never said Pryor was great and as I correctly predicted Kaepernick sucks. Sorry you got that wrong just as your wrong about the time left. The ball was picked with 29 seconds left. The player then attempted to ruin with the ball this burning additional time off. I stated that IF THE RECEIVER SCORED THAT WOULD HAVE LEFT MORE THAN 20 SECONDS!!!!!
You pretty much stay on the wrong side of everything don't you little boy.
 

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Seattle was in this situation 5 times during the year(1 yard line). 1 time they scored and 4 times they didn't. 2 of those times the plays were for negative yardage. You can what you want but the numbers don't lie, they're not a good short yardage team. Also, this isn't just a 2014 thing. From 2012 thru this year the numbers are bad on the 1 yard line. People can bitch and say it was a bad call but Pete knows those numbers and made the correct call based on it. If you want I can post the numbers for Seattle and the league for passing on plays at the 1 yard line for this year and since 2012. They're far better percentages and what's very surprising is the % of T/Os when passing is half that of runs. Since 2012 teams have fumbled 12 times at the 1. There have only been 6 INTs.
 

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Never said Pryor was great and as I correctly predicted Kaepernick sucks. Sorry you got that wrong just as your wrong about the time left. The ball was picked with 29 seconds left. The player then attempted to ruin with the ball this burning additional time off. I stated that IF THE RECEIVER SCORED THAT WOULD HAVE LEFT MORE THAN 20 SECONDS!!!!!
You pretty much stay on the wrong side of everything don't you little boy.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone as wrong as you and either not.know it or continue to argue based on wrong data

So let me recap your scenario:

Butler int the pass as the goalline with 29 seconds left. ....gets hit, goes back a half a yard and dives out of the end zone a yard.....yet somehow manages to run 9 seconds off the clock?

Pure comedy

Back to reality.....

Wilson snaps the ball with about 25 seconds left, it's picked with 23 seconds left and the pats snap the ball with 20 seconds left.....but hey, you're always spot on!

Just like when you started a thread saying kapernick had a weak arm and pryor was better..... then claim that you were right all along by saying kapernick sucked.....even though you were called put 20 pages earlier in your comical thread for a 2 totally different statements
 

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Seattle was in this situation 5 times during the year(1 yard line). 1 time they scored and 4 times they didn't. 2 of those times the plays were for negative yardage. You can what you want but the numbers don't lie, they're not a good short yardage team. Also, this isn't just a 2014 thing. From 2012 thru this year the numbers are bad on the 1 yard line. People can bitch and say it was a bad call but Pete knows those numbers and made the correct call based on it. If you want I can post the numbers for Seattle and the league for passing on plays at the 1 yard line for this year and since 2012. They're far better percentages and what's very surprising is the % of T/Os when passing is half that of runs. Since 2012 teams have fumbled 12 times at the 1. There have only been 6 INTs.

Correct sea wasn't good in those situations......flip the script and look at ne defense in those situations.....their defense numbers were about the same, horrible % stopping the opponent from the 1.

Again....I can almost see a pass play (although the bs excuse of calling a pass to run more time off the clock is a joke) but that particular route is horrible. Any kind of tip or deflection and the risk sky rockets as its 6 on 1 for a deflection.....at that point no need for ANY risk in the play call....if you truly want to pass throw it to a single covered receiver on the side or the corner (they has 1-1matchups)
 

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I agree with you 100% both coaches screwed up .... Seattle looked confused when running that play

BTW i had seahwks pretty huge.

ANY WAY seattle lost the game playing not lose ...which of course happens to every team in nfl who decides to stop scoring in 4th quater ...

Soon as Pats took lead i siad bye bye to my money which was cash bet to local.

Then that catch i said yes yes pumping my fist whipped out my wooody and said up yours Bill B

lol jking didnt do that but i did say yeah again final minute of a bowl you lose !

BUT after reading into every thing the play was NOT worst in history.

49ers did 3 worst calls vs ravens same exact stupid play every time to same spot.

Seahks play wasnt bad call it was executed wrong i think ... but if RW makes that pass and Seahwks win we aint having this discussion and Vegas would have won way more than they did ...

the few million was mostly from prop bets .........which i never do because PROPS are for AITPLANES :mj07:
 

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I don't think I've ever seen anyone as wrong as you and either not.know it or continue to argue based on wrong data

So let me recap your scenario:

Butler int the pass as the goalline with 29 seconds left. ....gets hit, goes back a half a yard and dives out of the end zone a yard.....yet somehow manages to run 9 seconds off the clock?

Pure comedy

Back to reality.....

Wilson snaps the ball with about 25 seconds left, it's picked with 23 seconds left and the pats snap the ball with 20 seconds left.....but hey, you're always spot on!

Just like when you started a thread saying kapernick had a weak arm and pryor was better..... then claim that you were right all along by saying kapernick sucked.....even though you were called put 20 pages earlier in your comical thread for a 2 totally different statements
You're such a fucking liar dude. I did say Kaepernick sucked and couldn't throw a deep out. He can't and still can't and you're still full of shit so go fuck yourself you fucking blood clot. Just like I said if the reception was made and touchdown made Brady would have gotten ball back with more than 20 seconds left. You started the 29 second thing not me cunt. You consistently day i said something i did not and try to tell me i was wrong. You said Kaepernick was a top 3 quarterback so where the fuck are you jag off. Like I said before, you don't always have to be a dick. I was wrong, you can't help it, you're just a dick. Always have been always will be. I won't respond to you ever again so go ahead and make up more shit loser
 

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Great thread until FDC got chippy.
Yeah, because that's what happened.


You know what woody, thank you. I was questioning as to why I bothered to look in in the first place. Now it's clear that I was mistaken to do so and shan't make it again.

Hope this helps,
FDC
 
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