Jets go for 2 late in game

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Sorry I think thats pretty damn stupid. So they are down by 5. Pats 21-16. Pats have one of the best field goal kickers in the league that could put them away right now. Bad coaching decisions lose games.

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and that totally screws me, I was hoping for a Push with my +4, and that just did me in.......
 
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Ditto me too, unless we get some kind of a miracle, who knows Broadway Joe was on earlier maybe something crazy will happen. :confused:
 
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And why was this a stupid play? Cuz it screwed your bet?
Make the two you are down 3. Even if Pats kick a FG after the missed 2 still only down 8. How is that putting them away? I think every coach in the league wouldve went for two.
 
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totaly agree nj, the jets are playing to win. Any coach would have made the same call
 
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If you aren't going to go for 2 in that situation, then when WOULD you go for 2? If I was a Jets fan, and I saw them kick the single point to leave themselves down 4 that late in the game I know I'd be pretty frickin' unhappy.

YOU PLAY .... TO WIN .... THE GAME :D
 
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Not to start an arguement but what is the Jets percentage of conversion this year on 2 pt plays . Has anyone looked at it that way?:confused:
 
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Geno,

Most teams around about 50% on 2-pt converts, though I don't know specifically what the Jets % is on them. However, as I see it, it doesn't matter if it's 5%. If you are down 4 or 5, either way, you need a TD. If you are down 3, you can tie it with a FG. Why not put yourself in a position to tie?

The 4 is only advantagous if you figure NE will score a FG. Then a Jets TD + 1 would tie. But given the time left on the clock, I think it's the right thing to do. They really only needed to stop them on one series with the amount of time that was left. I'd have enough faith in my defence that they could get that done.
 
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GENO...the Jets were 4/4 going into last night making 2 pnt conversions. Thats 100%....now which way are we supposed to be looking at it exactly?
 
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I was looking at it like this

I was looking at it like this

"The 4 is only advantagous if you figure NE will score a FG. Then a Jets TD + 1 would tie. But given the time left on the clock, I think it's the right thing to do."

and the fact that I was frustrated and had the Jets ML was not helping but I can see both point of views. I still would have went for 1 pt because I am scared:scared of Vinaterri.

Oh well just venting....lol,

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Geno....the right decision was made and I was on the wrong side as well. How can you see it any other way??????
 
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GM said:
If you aren't going to go for 2 in that situation, then when WOULD you go for 2? If I was a Jets fan, and I saw them kick the single point to leave themselves down 4 that late in the game I know I'd be pretty frickin' unhappy.

YOU PLAY .... TO WIN .... THE GAME :D
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GM I respect you and your capping ability, but it is obvious in this case they were not playing to win the game, they were playing to have an opportunity to TIE the game with a FG, IF they made a much lower percentage conversion.

By going for 2 and missing they also put themselves in a postion where Vinatari could put the Pats up by 8 with a FG. A high percentage play for him obviously. In which case the Jets would again need another TD + A low percentage 2 point conversion.

TO TIE !

plus there were 12 minutes left in the game at that point. And if The Patriots scored another TD then you are down 11-12-13 depending upon their decision to go for 1 or 2 and convert.

I would always go for 2 IF the good 2 tied or won the game for me under 8 minutes in the 4th. Or if the 2 put me in a postion to kick a winning FG under 8 minutes, because if I missed the low percentage 2 then the later FG would mean a tie.

To summarize I would use the 2 to put me in a position to win now or win next possession with a FG.

I simply hate to see the 2 used to move to a postion to later create a tie game IF, and only IF the 2 is successful.
 
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Hey Geno,

Ok, I guess we agree to disagree. I also respect your abilities and it's not personal.

Just wanted to say I didn't type that stuff in CAPS to mock you, hope it wasn't taken that way. I was just doing my Herm Edwards impersonation.

I DO however think it's smart to put yourself in a position to tie with one score. What is easier to score, a FG or a TD? Obviously a FG. You only have to be within about 30-35 yards of the goal line and you can tie it up.

Also, if we can assume a 2-pointer is a 50/50 shot...and they miss the first one... and NE DOES go down and kick a FG to go up 8. Then like you said, Jets need a TD + 2. They missed the first at 50/50 odds...so on the second...??

No, there is no guarantee they make that one either. But I don't think making a 2-pointer is THAT low a % play that it's that risky leaving it up to that.

I'd always want to be AT LEAST tied, rather than forcing my team to score another TD - a much more difficult task than scoring another FG. If you leave your team down 4 then you force your team to make another TD no matter what the Patriots do with the ball.
 
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GENO...the Jets were 4/4 going into last night making 2 pnt conversions. Thats 100%....now which way are we supposed to be looking at it exactly?
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njsf25g, how many years does that encompass the stats I show are that the Jets have made one 2 pt conversion this year. Only one this year.

Folks I guess I am just old school but in that situation regardless of wager or no wager I don't agree with the attempt to put yourself in a postion to later tie the game. 12:18 left and you are trying to position yourself to tie the game with another event while holding the opponents scoreless. With 12 minutes left?


Sounds like they didn't have much confidence in their ability to get a TD later. Which of course they didn't


The thing that really blew the play was not this decision to go for 2 anyway it was 5, I repeat 5 INTs committed by the Jets.


By the way Doug Brien is 23 of 23 on PAT's this year.


The Jets have only made 1 2 pt conversion this year.


TO EASE the tension in here, time for some trivia, WHO is the only team to have actually converted 4 2 pt plays this year?
 
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Geno,
I believe the rule of thumb for most coaches in the NFL is to go for 2 in the 4th quarter if it brings you to within a fieldgoal of tying. In last night's game particularly, when touchdowns are few and far between, you got to go for 2 at that time. I don't believe there's any exceptions.
That's my 2 cents.
 
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