Liberals fuel the fire

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Interesting article at, where else, Algazeera from Scott Ritter---
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5250B0C3-847C-426F-A4DA-FDA0F35975B3.htm

and in continuing effort to stir up more Muslims--
we have the Aclu and liberal judge appointed by Clinton throwing more fuel on the fire--
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050603...HtZ.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

While efforts continue by the terrorist-terrorists networks--and liberal media to undermine our military and war efforts--I think it will backfire again as in last election as it appears citizens are having more distain for the liberal media as a result--you'd think they get the picture by now

CNN's big 25th Anniversary week started with bad news: May numbers released yesterday showed CNN down 17% in total day and 16% in primetime vs. May 2004 . . .

6-1-05 8PM RATINGS

FOXNEWS O'Reilly Factor - 2,268,000 viewers

CNN 25th anniversary special -- 345,000

MSNBC/Countdown with Keith Olbermann - 213,000

---apparently many agree-----

Getting Americans Killed

Wednesday, June 01, 2005

By Bill O'Reilly



If you watch us, you know I believe the American Civil Liberties Union (search) is the most dangerous organization in the country. Now another example:

The ACLU has sued the Defense Department, demanding it release even more disturbing photographs from the Abu Ghraib (search) prison scandal. The government doesn't want to do that because these photos would whip up more into U.S. hatred around the world, more terrorists would sign up, including suicide bombers.

But the ACLU doesn't care. It wants to embarrass the Bush administration and show the world the USA is villainous, that America is provoking world conflict.

At this point, any reasonable person knows the abuses at Abu Ghraib were illegal and immoral. No one needs more pictures to get the point. If 30 people are killed after a bogus report on the Koran, you can imagine what releasing more Abu Ghraib photos will do. Our troops will be put in even more danger, and the threat will rise here at home.

A liberal judge in New York City, Alvin Hellerstein, has ruled in favor of the ACLU, but that's no surprise. Hellerstein is a committed anti-Bush person, who earlier this year ruled against the CIA in the ACLU's bid to get records on alleged abuses before the investigations were even completed.

Hellerstein's ruling must be appealed because if this isn't a case of national security, nothing is. All Americans, including the hideous ACLU, should be doing everything possible to help our military and protect fellow citizens. Even if you dislike the Bush administration, giving fuel to the terrorists is simply unacceptable. Almost treasonous in my opinion.

That being said, President Bush needs to take action fast. These abuse stories aren't going away. Too many mistakes have been made. And each new one discovered will be front-page news in the anti-Bush media.

There's no question Americans have made mistakes and committed crimes against some detainees. These crimes must be dealt with fairly and aggressively. So the president should appoint an independent body, much like the 9/11 Commission, to examine what has happened in Afghanistan, Iraq, and at Guantanamo Bay. That commission could then clearly define the problem and make recommendations that would serve as future policy regarding detainees in the War on Terror.

President Bush has to realize his enemies are going to use the detainee issue to damage his administration. Every week, there will be another so-called scandal until Americans turn completely against Mr. Bush.

That's what happened during the Vietnam War. And that's what's happening today.

But the stakes are much higher than Vietnam. Now we're under attack at home by fanatical fascists. But the anti-Bush people really, really believe the president is the main problem, not the terrorists. That scenario puts us all in danger.

The president must go on the offensive and set up that commission. If not, chaos will reign.

 

[kosar]

For once I can say that I mostly agree with O'Reilly in that piece.

 

[djv]

I can't say he's all wet. But he does stretch things. However his show is starting to sound like a Nancy Grace show. I don't know why he dwells on the bad all the time. Surely he can find some good stories about our country.
He's on poor Jeb Bushs ass all the time. Actually more on Florida like it's a evil place. Funny when election time comes they will be down in Florida like it's the second coming of Christ looking for votes.

 

[kosar]

DJV,

I rarely watch O'Reilly. When I watch the news at night I prefer unbiased shows like Ahbrams, Matthews, Olberman and even Scarborough. What is O'Reillys problem with Florida?

 

[gardenweasel]

nancy grass???? :thinking: :wtf:

 

[djv]

Nancy Grace sorry. Kosar per O'Riley Florida judges and courts are all screwed up. Jeb does not pushed the assembly and courts for stronger laws. Most pedophiles live in Florida. The election fraud is not as it seems leaning left. The real fraud is against the right. The papers are on fair. Seniors there are puppets for the AARP.
Something new every week. In fact your right I'm moving on. I need some news from some out let that has some positive things to say. It's sad if Larry King may have to be it. Or just watch mad money and go nuts. I understand the ratings come from the bad not the good. But sooner or later that will have a swing. The funny thing is O'Riley has little good to say. But just hates to blame those running the show in D C. You can see the pain on his face when he has to say. Well I hope Mr Bush will do more then he is. They say he has around 2 million a day that tune in. I wonder how many make it the whole hour. By the way 2 million is not that much for a show. And his is a show not much news. In fact talking about Nancy Grace. She has had a show now for about month or two And is drawing close to a million. And that is on a headline news network.

 

[gardenweasel]

oke ...just yanking your chain a little,dj....

 

[kosar]

Kosar per O'Riley Florida judges and courts are all screwed up. Jeb does not pushed the assembly and courts for stronger laws. Most pedophiles live in Florida. The election fraud is not as it seems leaning left. The real fraud is against the right. The papers are on fair. Seniors there are puppets for the AARP.
Something new every week. In fact your right I'm moving on.

Thanks. He's wrong about all of that, but it's not surprising. This state might be a little wackier than average overall, but those statements are ignorant.

 

[AR182]

kosar quote:" What is O'Reillys problem with Florida?"


his problem with florida is that he feels that the state is not watching out for their children.

he has reemed jeb about the raliya wilson (sp?) case.....where the foster care agency did not know what happened to this little girl.

lately he has gone after the fla. district attorney about not convicting 3 people who people think helped an accused child molester & kidnapper of a little girl (sorry forgot her name) disappear.....he feels that if the gov't can't charge these people with aiding this kidnapper, they should be able to charge them with drug possession.

i watch oreilly pretty much all week & there is definitely a few things i disagree with him about....but he does a good job in exposing people & gov't with neglecting to look out for children's rights.

 

[AR182]

djv, oreilly has never said that most pedophiles live in florida...don't know where you got that one.

he also has never accused the florida elctoral board to be leaning to the left.

 

[kosar]

As far as protecting children goes, i'll assume that he was absolutely giddy that Jeb signed the toughest child molestation/punishment bill in the country by far, a few weeks ago. Or did he even mention it?

The child protection laws here were considered on par with other states, but when you get two child kidnappings/murders in two weeks, that tends to spur you into more action. Not blaming anybody, but the laws here were no weaker than most states and now they're the toughest.

The Wilson case was terrible, but this is what, the fourth or fifth largest state, population wise? Things are going to slip through the cracks in the child welfare department.

As far as those 3 people you mention go, I think that if Crist, the Attorney General, thought they had any sort of a case, that he'd indict them. He's going to run for Governor next year when Jeb leaves and I don't think he'd leave any high profile successes on the table if he thought he could convict.

 

[smurphy]

Let's not forget Jeb's own crackhead daughter.

 

[Marco]

Regardless if it's true or not that the liberals are fueling the fire, the USA is stuck over there with no exit strategy......daily bombings will continue as long as the "infidels" are around....assassinations will continue, as will the current strategy of driving hummers around until something or someone blows them up.

What will quench the fire is the continuing expense of maintaining operations in Iraq......the senate ok'd 81 billion more to throw into the bonfire.....as the reality of endless heavy spending and continued loss of Americans in the middle east erodes at even the most diehard supporters of this operation, the time will come when the majority of American taxpayers will look at the next $100 billion wanted and the next $100 billion after that, and all the bodybags filled..........the more money and the more lives wasted in that region will sway enough people to say enough is enough.

Two years of the same failing and there isn't a break in sight until at least 2008......Bush painted himself in a corner and is too stubborn to pull the plug, so the only question is how much money and blood is going to be dumped in the next three years......or five years......or ten years for the paint to dry like our involvement in Vietnam or the Russians in Afghanistan.......

Look at it however you want, but the next years over there are going to play out the same as the first two.....

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"The election fraud is not as it seems leaning left. The real fraud is against the right. The papers are on fair. Seniors there are puppets for the AARP"

Never heard Oreilly mention any of above DJV.

He does tend to be persistent on some matters and usually gets job done.Would wager he stays on this till its resolved.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,158498,00.html

He did great job on charities in 911--got NPR to to get more balanced--has annialated La Times and NYT--in fact NYT ran article last week they would try to balance their liberal slant--after yesterdays news I understand why--circulation down 100,000--stock just downgraded and laying off 200 employees---ACLU next

Funny shit in Algazeera today--while they condone beheadings--bombers targeting civiians ect get a load of the "atrocities" they condemn our military of (kicking a book and water balloons)--what a joke-- more Amenesty International "gulags"

"The Pentagon confirmed for the first time on Friday that a US soldier deliberately kicked a Guantanamo Bay prisoner's Muslim holy book in violation of the military's rules for handling the Quran.

In other confirmed incidents, prison guards threw water balloons into a cell block to cause an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; a guard's urine splashed on a detainee and his Quran; an interrogator stepped on a Quran during an interrogation; and a two-word obscenity was written in English on the inside cover of a Quran."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4880CF1A-BEA3-4C24-8383-1D3B0B99B551.htm

 

[StevieD]

The problem with the alleged torture is not the ACLU it is with the Bush administration. We know that he has condoned torture, for whatever reason, he should own up to it instead of covering it up. This is no more than the Clinton Sex Scandal. Just tell the truth and stop lying to the American people. For the point of this argument I don't want to argue what torture is or if it is good or bad. As thinking Americans we know that the Administration said the Geneva Convention does not apply. They should further release their point of view. They seem to have no trouble quoting Amnesty International when they point out Saddams or the Talibans tortures but when it comes to us suddenly they are a liberal organization.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

The Aclu wants to protect terrorist with attorneys ect--and diss the miltary--and you say--
"The problem with the alleged torture is not the ACLU it is with the Bush administration."

I absolutely fail to understand how even the most liberal can side with outfit trying to undermine our military who are putting theirs lives on line for us,while at same time supporting the very enity we are fighting.

Wonder if liberals would change their tune if shit hit the fan here and THIER ASSES were in jeopardy and we sent the ACLU with camaflouged pocket protectors and fanny packs to protect them.

To answer that question we need only to look back to 911 and the people in the heart of liberal U.S. all of a sudden flying our flag.

 

[StevieD]

Dogs, are we tortuing the prisoners or not? All I am saying is for Bush to be honest with us. If we are torturing them then he should say what we are doing in our name. That is all.

 

[djv]

Oh yes he said things that are very close if not as I said above. Sometimes there just in his talking points but they been said. That and he still worries about Hillary. At least once or twice a month he has to say something negative. O'Reilly's true attentions come out at end of his show. All about him. When he reminds everyone to go to his site and order his coffee mugs, books, I think he's even got T Shirts now. Very news important info. He's out for foxing folks into buying his junk. Catch that Foxing.

 

[AR182]

stevied quote:"We know that he has condoned torture, for whatever reason, he should own up to it instead of covering it up. "


that's right the president should hold a press conference & state to the world that he condone's torture.

stevie, my friend you can't be serious ?

your hatred of bush has clouded your senses......

stop hanging out with teddy & dean up there in the notheeast........& get real (lol).

 

[Marco]

Why, of course, if we are torturing people it's ok, but if some other country is torturing people then a great abomination of justice has occured.

Might equals right, and there is no better definition than patriotism for determining who should be correct in torturing people.